Swanson: Lincoln Turned America Communist!

Kevin Swanson of Generations Radio is not your average right winger. Even most wingnuts would consider him to be on the fringe of the fringe, largely because of things like this. He claims, along with an author he interviewed, that Abraham Lincoln was a communist who created “Soviet America” by oppressing those poor southern slaveholders.

Swanson is adding Lincoln to the list of people, such as Mark Twain, who he believes ruined the country by replacing Antebellum slavery with Big Government socialist slavery.

“It’s the socialist utopians that come into town and they promise deliverance from local fiefdoms only to create a large tyranny in the Soviet Union, Soviet America and Soviet China and Soviet everywhere else in the world,” he said.

Swanson spoke with Walter Kennedy, the author of books such as “Lincoln’s Marxists” and “Red Republicans and Lincoln’s Marxists: Marxism in the Civil War.”

The Southern Poverty Law Center describes Kennedy as “a member of the hard core of the neo-Confederate movement” and “a founding member of the League of the South,” who has “called for a new Southern secession to escape the ‘overgrown and unresponsive’ federal government.” He also co-wrote a book entitled “The South Was Right!,” which defended Southern slavery.

In the interview with Swanson, Kennedy said that “radical socialists and communists” helped launch the Republican Party and put Lincoln in the White House, and then led “the prosecution of ‘The War Against the South.’”

“The Democrats, both Northern and Southerners, believed in limited government and the Marxists hated that concept, they wanted to do away with states’ rights and limited government so that they’d have one big all-powerful indivisible government that could force its will upon the American people,” Kennedy said…

Kennedy went on to say that Lincoln created a “supreme” federal government that led an “incessant attack on religious values in America,” arguing that Lincoln gave communism a “big boost” by winning the Civil War.

“What Marxist dictator could ask for less?” he continued. “All of these communists that have wormed their way into power, into powerful positions, they began to influence other people to pursue this objective of a big, indivisible government, and government supplants God as being sovereign.”…

“Post-Civil War, you’ve got the socialist goals, the communist platform, the Manifesto platform, I think there are ten elements to the platform, one by one they come about in our country,” Swanson added. “And first was the public schools.”

So there you have it. Wake up, sheeple!

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  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    Actually, that kinda makes sense, as reich-wing rubbish goes: Lincoln nationalized the slaveowners’ property and made the whole country responsible for their treatment. All you need to do now is remind me why that’s bad…

  • sh3baproject

    socialism and communism were never in american politics during that time, let alone any time in american history. but hey, when you have fear you dont need proof, just a bullshit feeling.

  • laurentweppe

    but but but… Marx wrote fan mail to Lincoln: so it totally proves that opposing slavery is a marxist ploy to enslave White People!

  • Richard Smith

    Quoth Kennedy:

    What’s gone wrong with the world? I can’t even take a bath without 6 or 7 communists jumping in with me. They’re in my shirt cupboard and Brezhnev and Kosygin are in the kitchen now eating my wife’s jam. Oh, they are cutting off my legs! I can see them peeping out of my wife’s blouse! Why doesn’t Mr. Maudling do something about it before it is too late? Ohhhh….God…

  • blf

    So General Jack D Ripper was right — only it started much much before…

  • Chiroptera

    I’ve always felt that the Southern slave owners should have felt lucky that anyone who held slaves wasn’t executed for crimes against humanity and all their property taken without compensation to their heirs and divided up among the newly freed slaves.

  • John Pieret

    “radical socialists and communists” helped launch the Republican Party and put Lincoln in the White House, and then led “the prosecution of ‘The War Against the South.’”

    Isn’t that supposed to be “The War of Northern Aggression”?

    Lincoln created a “supreme” federal government that led an “incessant attack on religious values in America,”

    Has he read anything by Lincoln … say the Second Inaugural Address?

  • sh3baproject

    john, when your a white supremcist, reading, according to them, is for the evil educated liberal elite.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1159674804 robertbaden

    He never heard of the Fugitive Slave Act?

  • blf

    Has he read anything by Lincoln…?

    Probably only Teh Barton Translations™© — in comic book / Chick tract form. With extra-big pictures to make it easier to color.

  • matty1

    I saw a Lincoln’s Marxists gig before they were famous.

  • http://composer99.blogspot.ca composer99

    What Marxist dictator could ask for less?

    Ironically, this statement by Kennedy is correct, although in context it is clearly an error of word use on Kennedy’s part.

  • peterh

    And all this time I was blaming Pocahontas!

  • http://www.facebook.com/den.wilson d.c.wilson

    Isn’t that supposed to be “The War of Northern Aggression”?

    Personally, I prefer the “War of Southern Treachery.” It’s more accurate.

  • pocketnerd

    Oh sure, he’s the fringe of the fringe now, but if the GOP keeps going the way it’s going, in ten years his ideas will be mainstream.

  • dukeofomnium

    Oddly enough, the Soviet take on the US Civil War was that the slaves were the real losers, since they lost the cradle to grave “security” that came with slavery. Or at least, that was one of the Soviet impressions of the Civil War. Soviet historiography sometimes changed daily, depending on the latest pronouncements from the Politburo.

  • barkdog

    Well Chiroptera, I can’t say that would have been a bad a idea, but at least the US did not do what practically everyone else did when they ended systems of servile labor. In Russia and the rest of central and eastern Europe the former serfs had to pay off their masters for the loss of capital represented by emancipation. Even revolutionary France had a scheme for compensating the nobles for their loss, but all the wars prevented its implementation. I think the US emancipation was the largest without some payment of compensation.

  • laurentweppe

    I prefer the “War of Southern Treachery.”

    My love for long descriptive titles leads me to call it “The war that parasitic inbred aristocrats who treated Blacks like cattle and fucktoys ignited to save their decadent lifestyle

  • LightningRose

    Considering that “Das Kapital” wasn’t published until two years *after* the end of the War of Southern Treachery*, I doubt there were many Marxists anywhere.

    *) Christ on is a cracker, I love that phrase!

  • howardhershey

    For a realistic look at how Southern Racists (now called Republicans) are winning the Second Counter-Reconstruction. The First Counter-Reconstruction lasted from 1878 to around 1990. The Second started in the 2010 Southern Republican landslide. This time they learned the difference between descriptive and substantive democracy.

    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119019/civil-rights-movement-going-reverse-alabama

  • vmanis1

    I like to refer to it as `The War Of Southern Idiocy’.

    As for Lincoln, it’s kind of difficult to tell where he might have gone had he not been assassinated. His trajectory while alive kind of veered all over the place; it is, however, possible that he might have found kindred spirits in the nascent labor union movement after the Civil War, and not entirely impossible that he might have allied himself with the Socialist Party of America’s predecessor, the Workingmen’s Party, which was formed in 1876. It is equally possible that he might have become extremely conservative, and joined in the celebration of wealth known as the Gilded Age.

    There is no particular evidence for either of these tendencies in anything he did while alive, though.

  • pacal

    Of course prior to the Civil War the Southern shrieking about “States Rights” was very one sided. They had no problem with the Federal Fugitive Slave Act which mandated Federal interference in Northern states. And when Northern States enacted “Personal Liberty” Laws to give alleged slaves some minimal rights, they screamed and demanded that the Federal government interfere and that these laws be squashed. In fact they demanded most emphatically Federal interference for slavery. In fact in the few years before the Civil War some Southerners were denouncing Slave emancipation in the North has illegal, and far more Southerners were denouncing Northern State laws that forbad them from taking slaves into many Northern states as unpardonable and where demanding Federal and Judicial interference to quash such laws and allow them in contravention of state law to bring their slaves into those states.

  • D. C. Sessions

    vmanis1, there’s one alternate history short story where, thanks to an inadvertent interruption Booth shoots Mary instead of Abraham. And Lincoln goes into a deep funk, only to come out and get his revenge on the South.

  • Chiroptera

    LightningRose, #19:

    The “Manifesto of the Communist Party” (now known simply as “The Communist Manifesto”) was published in 1848, so the movement was in existence at least in Europe by the time Lincoln was elected President.

    I have no idea how active they were in the US at this time.

  • grumpyoldfart

    Wake up, sheeple!

    Too late.

  • Chiroptera

    Wow. I just reread Ed’s post. Does anyone else get the impression that Swanson doesn’t even know what Marxism is? I get the impression that Swanson thinks Marxism is “the government does stuff I don’t like.”

  • brucegee1962

    If there’s anything meaningful in this guy’s drivel, it’s this kernel of truth: the civil war truly did do a lot to strengthen both the federal government in general and the executive branch in particular.

    It kind of doesn’t make much sense to blame that on Lincoln, though — it would have been true under any leader on a wartime footing. Really, he ought to put the blame on the ones who started the war in the first place.

    How about “The War of Southern Treason”? That would seem to be a bit more precise.

  • Akira MacKenzie

    The trouble is that, unfortunately, the Confederates won the Civil War.

  • a_ray_in_dilbert_space

    I would note that Timothy McVeigh was wearing a T-shirt bearing Lincoln’s likeness and the words, “Sic sempre tyranis.” Thus always to tyrants–a line from Shakespeare’s Julius Caesar, the VA state motto and the words shouted by John Wilkes Booth after he assassinated Lincoln.

    After the Oklahoma City bombing, the far-right company that sold the t-shirts sold out of them within days.

    As my wife says, the motto of the South is “If at first you don’t secede, try, try again.”

  • sabrekgb

    “If at first you don’t secede, try, try again.”

    Love it! Also, stealing it :)

  • lorn

    I wonder what is going to happen when Swanson learns that, according to contemporary literature, Jesus and the apostles pooled their resources and lived a collective existence.

    Damn those Marxists and the damage they have done with their time machine.