Bridal Shop Refuses to Sell to Lesbian Couple

A bridal shop in Pennsylvania has become the center of controversy after refusing to serve two women who were seeking gowns for their same-sex wedding. What they did was perfectly legal in that state, which does not include sexual orientation in its anti-discrimination laws. A Christian site reports:

A Christian-owned bridal shop in Pennsylvania is under fire for declining to schedule a gown fitting for two lesbian women.

According to reports, an unidentified woman called W.W. Bridal Boutique in Bloomsburg recently to schedule a gown fitting for herself and her lesbian partner. When the owner, Victoria Miller, declined by stating that the business could not accommodate the request, the woman took to Facebook to post about the matter.

“Unfortunately, she would not be able to schedule an appointment for us because they currently do not service same-sex couples — it’s just not something they do,” the unidentified woman said.

“We feel we have to answer to God for what we do,” Miller told reporters this week. “And providing those two girls dresses for a sanctified marriage would break God’s law.”

And of course, this is all about religious liberty. Except, of course, it’s not. If a business owner claimed that their religion demanded that they refuse to offer their services to Christians, Muslims or Jews, all that talk of religious freedom would immediately disappear. If they claimed that their religion demanded that they refuse service to black people, the same would happen. But many people think that it’s perfectly okay to discriminate against gay people. They’re wrong. If your business is open to the public, you serve the public — period.

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  • http://drx.typepad.com Dr X

    Well I’ll just say it because it will inevitably be said: lesbian “women”

  • dingojack

    So Dr X – you think one (or both) were really drag queens, right? Not really women.

    @@

    Dingo

  • Chiroptera

    I wonder whether she’ll sell a wedding dress to a woman who is or whose fiance is divorced for a reason not involving adultery? ‘Cause these Christians are often pretty damn picky over which sins they dare not sanctify.

  • teawithbertrand

    Here’s a thought: if your god hates gay people so much that he’ll burn you forever in hell simply for selling one of the a weddng dress (or two), then he’s a bigoted asshole who does not deserve your worship.

    Just sayin’.

  • Curt Cameron

    Pennsylvania may not include sexual orientation in its civil rights statutes, but what the boutique owner told reporters about breaking God’s law sure does come close to violating the religious part of the Civil Rights Act, which does apply to Pennsylvania.

    IANAL, but so it seems to me.

  • dingojack

    ‘You mean you’re gonna wear that cotton/silk dress while eating prawn cocktails!!!!!

    Ooooh soooooo can’t serve you!

    Dingo

  • Chiroptera

    If a business owner claimed that their religion demanded that they refuse to offer their services to Christians, Muslims or Jews, all that talk of religious freedom would immediately disappear. If they claimed that their religion demanded that they refuse service to black people, the same would happen.

    I can’t help but think that if the bigots were to win on LGBT rights, then these other groups would be next on their agenda.

    The hardcore bigots aren’t just against gay rights; they are against any and all things that are their very narrow sect opposes, including the “wrong” Christian sects.

    It always boggles my mind to see the Cathlic extremists be so comfortable and chummy with their Protestant counterparts; if they should succeed in their common goal, then the Catholics will definitely be next.

  • Captain Mike

    @dingojack: I assumed he meant there’s no such thing as lesbian men.

  • Michael Heath

    The linked article:

    When the owner, Victoria Miller, declined by stating that the business could would not accommodate the request, the woman took to Facebook to post about the matter.

    Is there one honest conservative Christian in existence? Just one???

  • dingojack

    Cap’t Mike – me too (left off the :) tag).*

    Dingo

    ———

    * Still, when places things into scare quotes one should be very careful, it raises allsorts of (unintended) connotations.

  • Chiroptera

    I wonder: if a business can refuse to sell a wedding dress to a lesbian, can every single business in a community and nearby communities refuse to provide any all services to a gay couple?

    I’d like to think that a few Christianists would at least pause a moment before attempting to answer.

  • http://festeringscabofrealityblogspot.com fifthdentist

    Chiroptera: “… if they should succeed in their common goal, then the Catholics will definitely be next.”

    Ridiculous! First they would go for Scientologists, Mormons, those peacenik Quakers (who were among the first targets of fundiegelicals in U.S. history), Jehovah’s Witnesses, Episcopalians and those leftist Presbyterians* who have embraced teh gaymarriage.

    Only then would they go after Catholics. First the liberal flavor and then the rest.

    Maybe they should brush up on their Martin Niemöller.

  • beezlebubby

    Jumping Jesus Christ on a pogo stick, bake the fucking cake, sell the fucking dresses, take the damn pictures, and rent the fucking hall. It’s the only way to avoid hypocrisy, at the least.

  • http://www.thelosersleague.com theschwa

    Bad behavior, yes. But even worse business sense. They could have possibly sold TWO dresses for one wedding. Idiots!!

  • Chiroptera

    theshwa, #14:

    I can’t help but think that the vast majority of Christian business people have figured out that gay money spends just as well as Christian money.

    The problem isn’t that there would be no one willing to do business with gay people. The problem is that a single business or small number of businesses who want to do the right thing (or just make money) can make themselves targets of the bigot extremists. One thing (among the more obvious) that anti-discrimination laws do is they provide cover to the businesses who don’t want to discriminate.

  • Chiroptera

    I should clarify my previous comment. Obviously there is the problem that in some communities no one would be willing to do business with gay people; that is one of the “obvious things” I was alluding to. I meant to point out another problem, perhaps less obvious to some, of people who are willing to do business with gay people but are prevented because of the consequences of local reaction.

  • John Pieret

    The good news is that the local community is none to happy with the bigots and the Bloomsburg Town Council is planning to hold a meeting on Monday to discuss the incident. “Council members are debating whether to propose legislation that will ban businesses from refusing to serve LGBT customers.”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/pennsylvania-bridal-shop-don-serve-lesbians-article-1.1898001#ixzz3AICiICpN

  • Paul Neubauer

    I thought it should be pretty obvious that Dr. X (#1) was commenting on the shop owner’s use of “girls”

    I guess you can’t take obviousness for granted. :(

  • lorn

    Does she sell to adulterers, those who eat shellfish, exactly how pure do you need to be to buy a dress?

    Odds are the dresses aren’t, being made of more than one material, Biblical either.

  • Chiroptera

    And let us remember another very important issue here:

    This is a person who refuses to help celebrate a couple’s happiness and help them toward a life of joy. Whenever I hear about another one of these businesses refusing to cater to a same sex wedding, I am struck by the nastiness that this implies.

  • D. C. Sessions

    It’s the only way to avoid hypocrisy, at the least.

    But that’s the point — you’re suppressing the free exercise of their religious obligations, hypocrisy being near the top of the list.

  • http://drx.typepad.com Dr X

    @Dingo,

    “So Dr X – you think one (or both) were really drag queens, right? Not really women.”

    Yes. I was wondering how they knew that both of the lesbians were women.

  • corwyn

    And providing those two girls dresses for a sanctified marriage would break God’s law.

    Which one? Please point it out for me.

  • Ysidro

    I had to look up Bloomberg as I didn’t know where in the state it’s located (I’m in the other end). During my search I saw an article on the potential discrimination ban John Pieret mentioned. I also saw a link to an article on Breitbart’s site claming lesbian bullies were harrassing innocent christian shop owners.

    *facepalm*

  • Pierce R. Butler

    Chiroptera @ # 3: I wonder whether she’ll sell a wedding dress to a woman who is or whose fiance is divorced for a reason not involving adultery?

    A real Christian bridal shoppe wouldn’t sell a dress to any woman who didn’t pass their virginity test!

  • Synfandel

    Competing bridal shops should post this sign:

    This shop is open to everyone—even bigots.

  • Gvlgeologist, FCD

    This is what I said (in part) in reply on FB to a commenter that claimed that gays were now bullying straights:

    “You mean that there are churches that are refusing to perform heterosexual marriages on the basis that it’s sinful? That there are businesses that refuse to cater to straight people because they don’t like them? That there are businesses that donate to anti-heterosexual organizations? That states have enacted laws or constitutional amendments preventing heterosexuals from adopting, getting married, etc?”

  • Jordan Genso

    Why isn’t this considered illegal discrimination on the basis of gender (which is a protected class)? If one of the women were a male, then the business owner would sell to them. So it is their gender that is resulting in the discrimination.

  • Mike Morris

    Where in the babble does it talk about or post edicts about formal wear?

    They are (were) selling dresses. They were not sanctifying anything, only clothing participants. Revolting morons.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    “We feel we have to answer to God for what we do,” Miller told reporters this week. “And providing those two girls dresses for a sanctified marriage would break God’s law.”

    They actually think the Creator of the Universe would send them to Hell over a business decision? Get over yourselves! Our Randroid deification of “Makers” is absurd enough already.

  • caseloweraz

    Ysidro: I also saw a link to an article on Breitbart’s site claming lesbian bullies were harrassing innocent christian shop owners.

    It’s God’s honest truth, Ysidro. What do you think the B in LGBT stands for? And remember, gays were responsible for half the murders in Chicago, one year.

    /snark

  • Michael Heath

    Raging Bee writes:

    They actually think the Creator of the Universe would send them to Hell over a business decision?

    I think they’re referencing the story in the NT of Peter disassociating himself from Jesus the evening the Romans arrested Jesus. That’s behavior they’re taught to avoid.

    Of course Peter’s sin is redeemable as we follow what’s in store for Peter in the NT. What’s not redeemable to today’s conservatives Christians is being unrepentantly out and gay, or being an uppity black president.