‘Sovereign Citizen’ is Sorry/Not Sorry for Shooting at Cops

Remember the “sovereign citizen” who lured police and firefighters to him by setting a dumpster on fire and calling 911, then opened fire on them with an AK-47? Well he wants you to know that he’s “sorry” for doing that, while making all sorts of excuses for it that make it okay.

“I’m sorry for all the stuff I did,” he said.

Authorities say the 60-year-old fired shots from his AK-47 at police officers and firefighters in a gated community in North Dallas on Monday, Aug. 11.

Two bullets reportedly hit a fire truck, with firefighters inside.

Leguin told CBS DFW he didn’t try to hit anyone. He asked, “Did any bullets hit anybody that day? What is the answer?” He then answered his own question: “No!”…

When asked if people who are sitting in a vehicle that’s being fired upon believe or know that he’s not aiming for them, Leguin paused, and replied, “All they had to do is go down the road, I wasn’t aiming at them.”…

When asked what he would say to the police officers and firefighters who responded that day, Leguin said, “I’m sorry if they were under stress, but it was a good training operation for them. They do get shot at.”

Leguin says his goal was to get his message out that America is broken and that people need to vote to make changes. When asked if there are other ways to get his message out, Leguin said, “No, there’s not any other way to do this, any other way is a going to be a blip on the screen, people in America unfortunately have to have a shocking event.”

He’s “sorry,” but it was perfectly justified and those poor firefighters should stop whining about being shot at. I don’t think this is going to help you, pal. You’re going to prison, which is exactly where you belong.

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  • http://withinthismind.com/ WithinThisMind

    Funny how an armed white man actively shooting at cops is still alive, and an unarmed black kid who merely existed in the vicinity of a cop isn’t.

    And by funny I mean sick and appalling.

  • Michael Heath

    Leguin says his goal was to get his message out that America is broken and that people need to vote to make changes.

    The people most sympathetic to his beliefs and political aspirations are the one who disproportionately vote now. An increase in voting turn-out would install elected officials and polices even more antipathetic to the goals of the so-called sovereign citizen movement. So once again, I smell avoidance and denial amongst the right wing.

  • D. C. Sessions

    Well, if he really wants to shock people awake he should take a page from the Buddhists, who have actual practical experience.

    I would recommend chaining himself to a stake surrounded by a mix of wet and oil-soaked wood, then hitting a preset igniter while recording the whole thing on camera from multiple angles. Make sure his manifesto is clearly visible in all of the views and playing on audio as the flames and smoke surround him.

    I guarantee that the video — complete with message — will go viral and unlike this little item that barely made the news and didn’t even get him 15 minutes, the fiery auto da fe will be seen by millions and long remembered.

  • Michael Heath

    WithinThisMind writes:

    Funny how an armed white man actively shooting at cops is still alive, and an unarmed black kid who merely existed in the vicinity of a cop isn’t.

    And by funny I mean sick and appalling.

    [Heath bolded]

    You’d still have a good point without needing to create a strawman of the Michael Brown killing.

  • grumpyoldfart

    He’s not sorry. He’s thinking that if he says the right words he might be able to get himself a reduced sentence.

  • Artor

    Michael, where is the strawman? As far as we can tell, Brown did not one thing to justify being murdered.

  • John Pieret

    America is broken

    And you, Mr. Leguin, are exhibit A.

  • lordshipmayhem

    This man doesn’t belong in jail. He belongs in a secure psychiatric institution. It’s sort of like jail, except with treatment for the psychosis and no guarantee of ever getting out.

  • colnago80

    Re Artor @ #6

    Well, the Fascist News Channel claimed several days ago that Brown was beating the shit out of the police officer prior to the shooting. That claim, based on an anonymous source, should be taken with a ton of salt.

  • dingojack

    Luckily, this sooper genius has never heard of the Weathermen.

    Dingo

  • Michael Heath

    Artor writes:

    Michael, where is the strawman? As far as we can tell, Brown did not one thing to justify being murdered.

    You moved the goalposts there quite a bit. It goes noticed. I suggest reading the relevant posts much more carefully. From my perspective it’s glaringly self-evident what the strawman is.

  • some bastard on the internet

    grumpyoldfart #5

    He’s not sorry. He’s thinking that if he says the right words he might be able to get himself a reduced sentence.

    Sad thing is, he’ll probably get one anyway.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Worse, he set my garbage can on fire, which I can assure you has set the government of Modusaria on the path to war with his tiny nation. This act will not stand!

  • whheydt

    This guy is “sorry” all right. He’s “sorry” he got caught.

  • forestdragon

    Maybe not. Joseph Wambaugh might’ve been right when he pointed out decades ago in his cop novel The Choirboys, people who assault firefighters tend to get legally stomped on because firefighters are liked by the public while cops aren’t. Then again, things were different back then (1970s).

  • weatherwax

    I’m confused. A ‘sovereign citizen’, who therefore believes the US government was dissolved and taken over by ‘The Jews’, (in the 1890’s or 1930’s, take you pick), wants people to vote?

  • caseloweraz

    When asked if people who are sitting in a vehicle that’s being fired upon believe or know that he’s not aiming for them, Leguin paused, and replied, “All they had to do is go down the road, I wasn’t aiming at them.”…

    He paused for thought, and this is the best answer he could summon?

    I hope that when he gets out of prison, the other people in that gated North Dallas community will tell him all he has to do is go down the road — a long way down.

    Ray Charles: Hit the Road, Jack

  • http://withinthismind.com/ WithinThisMind

    @11

    There was no strawman. If Brown had not had the nerve, the nerve I say!, to be black in the presence of that officer then Brown would still be alive.

    That officer saw brown skin. He immediately judged the kid guilty, used said brown skin to pronounce a horrific sentence, and carried out the execution. All because Brown had the nerve to exist while black, in the presence of a racist, overreacting militarized piece of shit that called itself a police officer.

    Now, I’m sure you’ll trot out some of the bullshit lies the police and their racist supporters have been pulling out of their actions to try to justify what the officer did. Because simply not being an ‘innocent’ unarmed black kid existing in the vicinity of a cop isn’t quite enough to warrant violence, so obviously the kid had to be guilty of something, right? No matter that absolutely nothing Brown did warranted execution. At the absolute worst, it might have warranted 6 months community service if we assume he was actually guilty of the only remotely valid complaint made about him.

    The simple truth of the matter is this: If Brown had been a white kid, he would still be alive. Instead, he was an unarmed black kid existing in the vicinity of a cop. As a result of that, he is dead.

  • http://florilegia.wordpress.com Ibis3, Let’s burn some bridges

    Funny how an armed white man actively shooting at cops is still alive, and an unarmed black kid who merely existed walked down the street in the vicinity of a cop isn’t.

    Better, Michael?

  • smrnda

    I find the argument that he was simply given them a ‘training exercise’ to be appalling (well, a lot of things were, but nobody mentioned this one.) From what I understand, military personnel deal with being shot at, and all training takes place under very, very controlled conditions meant to minimize danger. On top of that, it’s important to remember that if you are not authorized to be firing weapon as part of a live-fire exercise, doing so at a person is a CRIME. The guy is lucky he was white enough they didn’t decide to waste him right there.

    I cannot threaten people and then claim I’m doing people a favor since it ‘train them for danger.’ This is why it’s a crime to make false 911 calls, pull fire alarms, all sorts of stuff.

    I found this line rather telling :

    “Authorities say the 60-year-old fired shots from his AK-47 at police officers and firefighters in a gated community in North Dallas on Monday, Aug. 11.”

    Yep, white guy who lives in a gated community (got to keep THEM out) is terrified of THEM, to the point where he cannot help but lash out in violence.

  • sugarfrosted

    @3

    Well, if he really wants to shock people awake he should take a page from the Buddhists, who have actual practical experience.

    Or he could be like other Buddhists and release sarin gas into a subway.

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    So cops didn’t completely flatten the area with air strikes? He must be white.

  • krambc

    @ sugar frosted #21:

    ‘Aum shinrikyo’ – the syncretist brainfart of Chizuo Matsumoto (aka Asahara Shoko) who declared himself “christ” in 1992 – did the sarin gas attack.

    Perhaps you’re thinking of the buddhist warrior monks (sohei) of feudal Japan who operated from the sectarian battles of ~970CE till their military defeat by Tokugawa ~1600CE.

    These days they ‘just’ collude with organized crime:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/gangster-boss-who-turned-to-god-1666851.html

  • dan4

    @1: How do you know for a fact that the reports of Brown beating the crap out of Wilson, trying to get his gun, and then (slightly later) rushing him aren’t true? Aren’t those factors a little more drastic and dramatic than Brown “simply being in the vicinity” of Wilson?

  • Who Cares

    @dan4(#24):

    How do you know for a fact that it is true.

    I do want to point out that the only ones who are trotting out the he asked for it defense are the person has the most to lose by getting convicted by homicide and his fraternity (that is the cops).

    The rest of the witnesses out there seem to be sticking to the claim that Brown was nowhere near Wilson when he got shot.

  • Synfandel

    @11 Michael Heath wrote:

    From my perspective it’s glaringly self-evident what the strawman is.

    Well, from my perspective it’s as clear as a Glasgow fog. You’ve called out WithinThisMind, insinuating that he made a specious argument, Artor has said he doesn’t see it and asked you to explain, and you’ve blown him off with a smug dismissal. Unless you can show us this supposed straw man, I’m afraid you’ll just have to enjoy your intellectual superiority in glorious solitude.

  • http://thebronzeblog.wordpress.com/ Bronze Dog

    “All they had to do is go down the road, I wasn’t aiming at them”

    This reminds me of a certain type of troll that’s extremely irritating to deal with: They seem to think that everything going on inside their head is obvious or at least readily decipherable from the tiniest of their actions and couldn’t be misinterpreted. Feeding them typically results in long threads of numerous people repeatedly asking basic questions in an attempt to get them to explain what they’re saying. A common subtype I see these days are people who have to be told, “intent isn’t magic.” On this dangerously physical trolling, rational people would wonder (among numerous other things) how the firefighters were supposed to tell the difference between someone aiming to miss and would-be murderer with bad aim.

    What’s disturbing is that I think there are people stupid enough to do what he said he was doing. That’s what’s keeping me from just interpreting this as a stupid/desperate attempt to downplay attempted murder after getting caught.

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    “@1: How do you know for a fact that the reports of Brown beating the crap out of Wilson, trying to get his gun, and then (slightly later) rushing him aren’t true? Aren’t those factors a little more drastic and dramatic than Brown “simply being in the vicinity” of Wilson?”

    Well we don’t KNOW, Danielsan. But those of us with fucking brains in our head look at a report showing the decedent was shot in the fucking head, TWICE, and, well, we tend to think–smells like bullshit, to me.