Staver: Today’s America Worse Than Nazi Germany

Mat Staver, the dumbest lawyer in America not named Larry Klayman (which explains why Jerry Falwell would make him dean of his law school), goes full Godwin yet again, saying that modern America is even worse than Nazi Germany because Christians are being forced to take part in “genocide” and gay marriage.

Bizarrely, Staver claimed that, under Obamacare, Christians are not only being required to fund abortion but are literally being “forced to participate in genocide,” which is something that not even the Nazi government forced the German citizens to do.

“Even in Nazi Germany,” Staver said, “the government participated in genocide but the individuals, the citizens weren’t forced to participate in it … The people were not forced to push people into the gas chamber or pull the trigger, but now you’re being forced to pull the trigger, you’re being forced to participate in a genocide, that’s different than anything before.”

Barber agreed, saying “this is the most oppressive time in terms of religious liberty in the United States,” not only because of abortion but also because Christians are also supposedly being persecuted for opposing gay marriage.

“Everyone is going to have to make a decision to either obey the laws of God or to obey the laws of man,” Barber said, “and this is unprecedented.”

Yes, yes, yes. Christians are so terribly persecuted by not being able to prevent gay people from getting married. Your tears are incredibly delicious, by the way.

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  • John Pieret

    It’s just the same! Because, after all, Hitler allowed his oppressed people to broadcast on radio and other media all the time!

  • Chiroptera

    In Nazi Germany, bakers were forced to bake wedding cakes for Nazi Party officials. Just like gay weddings in modern American!

  • dannorth

    He as a point. For a wannabe brown shirt today’s America is worst than Nazi Germany.

  • alanb

    @ Chiroptera,

    Hermann Göring got married in 1935. It is a fact that rather than asking an anti-Nazi baker to bake his wedding cake, he went to the next town over so he could order his cake from a pro-Nazi baker. For freedom.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Genocide and gay marriage? Talk about a full day.

  • Pierce R. Butler

    … Christians are being forced to take part in “genocide” …

    Uh, all us US taxpayers face compulsion to support our government’s crimes against Palestinians, Iraqis, Chagossians, Mayans, and the various other peoples whose members and cultures we annihilate directly or through multiple proxies.

    Not, of course, that any of this has anything to do with Staver’s self-serving complaints.

  • Michael Heath

    [Matt Staver says], “that modern America is even worse than Nazi Germany . . .”

    Well from his perspective he’s correct. Nazis were able to carry out their bigoted policies while Staver and his ilk? Not so much.

    I concede I risk going Godwin here.

  • Sastra

    I’d like to play some movies for Staver and his admiring church audiences — movies like Schindler’s List and Night and Fog. Together in a double feature. Methinks someone needs a reality check.

  • colnago80

    Re Butler @ #6

    Uh, all us US taxpayers face compulsion to support our government’s crimes against Palestinians, Iraqis, Chagossians, Mayans, and the various other peoples whose members and cultures we annihilate directly or through multiple proxies.

    Ah, the Fakestinians, the poor babies. I guess according to Butler they should be allowed to fire Qassems across the border fence with no response. I suspect he would be complaining loud and long if a terrorist group was firing rockets into his back yard.

  • tfkreference

    His argument isn’t even internally consistent – or was Nazi Germany tax free?

  • Pierce R. Butler

    colnago80 @ # 9: … Fakestinians…

    Speaking of those wishing to obliterate entire peoples and their cultures…

  • dingojack

    Pierce R. Butler – what’s that called again?

    Shoah? Nakba? Genocide?

    Dingo

  • thebookofdave

    the government participated in genocide but the individuals, the citizens weren’t forced to participate in it

    He’s wrong about this, of course. And now we know a little more about whether he considers internment camp prisoners to be persons (including holocaust Jews). Seems like objectification of the other is one trait that Mat Staver (and a couple of our own regulars) shares with Nazi Germany.

  • lorn

    When people crank their sensitivity up to eleven, to the point a pin prick feels like being gutted with a dull knife, when filling out a simple one page form informing the insurance company they need cover birth control is compared with shoving people into the showers at Auschwitz, it is clear we have a problem with scale and perspective. That, and over the top exaggeration for propaganda effect.

    It also establishes Christian fundamentalists as precious hothouse flowers too delicate to countenance any contradiction of their iron age world view. In and of itself this isn’t a problem. People get their feelings stomped every day, and the world usually laughs in their face. You suck it up and get over it. That is a big part of being an adult.

    The problem is not Staver, et al, getting their feelings hurt, it is that they they are derelict in their duty as adults to accept life on its own terms and control their own reactions instead of demand that the world bend to protect their feelings.

  • http://artk.typepad.com ArtK

    @Sastra

    Night and Fog

    *Shudder*. I saw that one in Jr. Hi. Over 40 years ago and the images are still burned into my brain. I remember my history teacher sitting in the back of the room, quietly crying. He showed that movie to 3 or 4 classes a year, year in, and year out.

    Matt Staver: Fuck you. On behalf of my paternal grandfather, who put his son on a train and never saw him again; who lost his job because of his Jewish wife and then joined the German army in an effort to protect her, only to be killed by the SS. On behalf of my grandmother and my aunt who spent the war in Vienna, terrified that their names would come up. On behalf of my father, who left his home and family at 13, into the arms of strangers. On behalf of the old man I met a couple of years ago, with the numbers tattooed on his arm. On behalf of the millions who didn’t have it nearly as good as they did. Fuck you. Fuck you and your pissant little problems. Fuck you for your complete lack of human decency.

    You don’t know the meaning of the words “persecution” or “genocide.” You can’t force people to follow your barbaric god and you think this is some kind of genocide? You can’t hate gays without people telling you how horrible you are? If those are the things you’re whining about, you’re a sorry excuse for a human being. Go out and experience some real suffering, instead of bleating from your nice office in your expensive suits paid for by suckers who can’t actually afford to pay for you.

  • busterggi

    AT LEAST THE NAZIS WERE ALLOWED TO BE CHRISTIANS WHILE KILLING JEWS, GYPSIES, GAYS, ETC!!!!

  • John Pieret

    @ Sastra & ArtK:

    I had never heard of Night and Fog before. I found it on Hulu and watched. It was painful. Staver and his ilk should have their mouths washed out with the soap they made at those camps.