Fischer Blames Ray Rice Beating on ‘Premarital Cohabitation’

Apparently jealous of so many of his fellow wingnuts who have said staggeringly stupid and offensive things about Ray Rice knocking out his then-fiance, Bryan Fischer on Friday pulled himself up by his bootstraps and got himself back in the game by declaring that the reason it happened was because they were living together before marriage, as the Bible forbids.

As Fischer explained, the Bible strictly prohibits premarital cohabitation, so Ray Rice and Janay Palmer were guilty of engaging in illegitimate sexual immorality and living in sin. This biblical position is reinforced by social science research, he said, that shows that such relationships are more dangerous for women than marriage or living alone.

Fischer said that since Palmer had apparently “not been educated, did not understand biblical standards, she put herself in a place where, if her eyes were open and she was thinking clearly and she had been educated as she should have been in our school system, by her parents, at church, she would have known that the most dangerous place for me to be as a woman is living with a guy I’m not married to.”

“If you want to have reasons not to do it,” Fischer concluded, “getting knocked out in a casino elevator, that’s the only reason that you need … When biblical standards of morality are ignored, people get hurt.”

A smartass might note that the “biblical standard of morality” would have stoned her to death for not being a virgin on her wedding day (but not him, of course, only her). And then they might suggest that perhaps that would count as someone getting hurt. But since I’m not a smartass, I won’t say that. But I will point out that lots and lots of married women are beaten by their husbands every single day.

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  • colnago80

    But I will point out that lots and lots of married women are beaten by their husbands every single day.

    Nicol Brown Simpson anyone.

  • raven

    The Silent Epidemic | Today’s Christian Woman

    www. todayschristianwoman. com › 2004 › September

    Unfortunately he wasn’t equipped to handle domestic abuse; his … to Today’s Christian Woman—a mentor to help you love God more deeply and live fearlessly.

    Domestic Violence within the Church: The Ugly Truth …

    www. christianheadlines. com/…/domestic-violence-within-the-church-the…

    Oct 20, 2009 – The amount of domestic abuse in Christian homes is horrifying, and the … often puts women “in grave danger”—and in some cases, can be a ….

    I’m trying to find out the rate of domestic abuse among fundies using Google.

    Apparently, it is quite high. In line with their high frequency of any social problem you can think of and consistent with their general hate, misogyny, and male dominance culture.

    The above are from xian sources. I’d like to find some numbers though.

  • raven

    Chuck Colson christianheadlines. com 2009:

    Tragically, studies reveal that spousal abuse is just as common within the evangelical churches as anywhere else. This means that about 25 percent of Christian homes witness abuse of some kind.

    These numbers may shock you—and they certainly shocked me—so you may be wondering if the studies were done by secular researchers hostile to the church. I can assure you, sadly, they were not.

    Denise George, a gifted writer and the wife of theologian Timothy George, has published a new book called What Women Wish Pastors Knew. “Spouse abuse shocks us,” George writes. “We just cannot believe that a church deacon or member goes home after worship . . . and beats his wife.” Tragically, however, George notes, some of these men justify their violence “by citing biblical passages.”

    One xian source has domestic abuse of women in xian homes at 25%.

    The author Chuck Colson is that Chuck Colson. Richard Nixon’s hatchet man, convicted felon for Watergate related crimes, xian leader.

    Watergate figure, Christian leader Chuck Colson dies – CNN …

    www. cnn. com/2012/04/21/us/chuck-colson-obit/

    Apr 21, 2012 – Chuck Colson, a Watergate-era “hatchet man” for President Nixon who became an evangelical leader, died Saturday, his website said.

  • alanb

    I’m not going to look up the linkies right now, but I’m pretty sure that the social science research showing that cohabitation was more dangerous for a woman than marriage had lots of intervening variables that made causation difficult to establish. However, you wouldn’t expect Fischer to understand research or to use the results honestly if he did.

  • Kevin Kehres

    The other problem with this line of thought is that domestic abuse and all family violence rates have declined as co-habitation rates have increased.

    Oopsie. Someone didn’t consider the base rate.

  • http://howlandbolton.com richardelguru

    Biblical marriage is a joke anyway: it ranges from Adam and Eve who weren’t married through Solomon who married or concubined pretty much anything that moved to St Paul who thought it was a bit better than burning!

    So what was his point?

  • raven

    By Kathryn Joyce (A)theologies, Politics June 18, 2009 religiondispatches

    Biblical Battered Wife Syndrome: Christian Women and Domestic Violence

    “We know from small studies in Christian contexts, as well as from a great deal of clinical and pastoral experience that domestic abuse is prevalent in Christian contexts,” says Roberts, adding that research has found that Christian women often stay in abusive situations several years longer than secular abused women.”

    I’ve seen enough.

    The combination of hate, misogyny, male dominance/female submission, and having divorce being forbidden as a serious sin works the way you would expect.

    It’s bad enough and obvious enough that even the xians see it.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    But I will point out that lots and lots of married women are beaten by their husbands every single day.

    WHO KNEW THAT ONE COHABITATING COUPLE COULD CAUSE SO MUCH HARM?!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/den.wilson d.c.wilson

    So far, on Planet Wingnuttia, I’ve seen people blame this beating on the victim or society in some form or another. Rush Limpballs blamed it on the “chickification” of the NFL while some twit on Hannity’s America blamed it on the “Anti-testicular PC police,” what that is. You know whom I’ve never seen blamed for that beating on Wingnuttia? Ray Rice.

  • eric

    reinforced by social science research, he said, shows that such relationships are more dangerous for women than marriage or living alone

    Well um, yeah. It stands to reason that “if you live alone, your roommate/cohabitor/spouse is going to hit you less often than if you live with someone” would be true for both men and women.

    AlanB @4;

    I’m not going to look up the linkies right now, but I’m pretty sure that the social science research showing that cohabitation was more dangerous for a woman than marriage had lots of intervening variables that made causation difficult to establish.

    Ah, but Fischer isn’t citing research that says that. He’s citing research that living alone is safer than either, and then making the giant unwarranted leap into assuming marriage is safer than co-habitation. You gotta watch these guys, they hide their bad logic in their confusing rhetoric.

  • Pierce R. Butler

    … Bryan Fischer … got himself back in the game …

    Why is he trying to distract us from Benghazi??!!!11?

  • lofgren

    @9

    I’m going to nitpick your point slightly only because I think the nit makes Hannity and Limbaugh’s point evn more vile. Neither was saying that the original beating was the fault of PC or feminizing forces, they were saying that caring about Rice assaulting a woman enough to comment on it (let alone ruin their fantasy football team by puniahing him for it) is a product of feminization/PC forces… And that it’s a bad thing! Because if it weren’t for all those damn ball busting bitches, a guy could knock out a woman in an elevator and everybody would just respect his right to privacy like God intended. I mean, unless they want to give the guy a smack on the ass to say job well done, of course.

  • Chiroptera

    d.c.wilson, #9: You know whom I’ve never seen blamed for that beating on Wingnuttia? Ray Rice.

    Huh. That can’t be right. Don’t conservatives make a big deal about “personal responsibility”?

  • se habla espol

    Don’t conservatives make a big deal about “personal responsibility”?

    Yes. Hers. The judeo-christian-islamic religious dogmas provide a division of roles between man and woman: the man gets the authority, the woman gets the responsibility. Everybody knows that.