Beck’s Incoherent Anti-Vaccine Rant

Among all the other bizarre positions Glenn Beck takes, he now appears to be adding a mushy, incoherent anti-vaccine position. He doesn’t come out and say he’s anti-vaccine, just against the “arrogance” of doctors who give them. What do those doctors know? They’ve only eradicated whole diseases with vaccines (until recently, that is). And he literally stands up and applauds parents refusing to vaccinate their kids.

“I think that there is a lot of be said for being cautious on what we are jamming into our children’s arms by law, all the time,” Beck said, insisting that he is not against all vaccinations but simply objects to the arrogance of doctors and the government telling people they must get vaccinated.

“Whenever you put medication in your body,” he said, “there is an equal and opposite. It happens. You’re putting it in to fix this organ or to fix this flaw, it’s going to push something else out of the way.”

When Beck’s executive producer, Tiffany Siegel, pointed out that this drop in vaccinations is leading to outbreaks of contagious disease and sometimes resulting in death, Beck was not overly concerned.

“It seems like we have an outbreak of Ebola,” Beck said dismissively. “Disease is going to come. I’m not saying that we don’t use modern medicine. I’m not saying that I’m against all vaccinations. I’m saying that we consider the arrogance of doctors and governments jamming needles in our arms and our children’s arms and forcing us to do these things.”

“There’s a balance in all things,” he concluded.

This doesn’t even pretend to be a coherent position. What the hell could it possibly mean that “there’s a balance” in this context? Just weird.

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  • raven

    What the hell could it possibly mean that “there’s a balance” in this context? Just weird.

    Beck means that his ignorance and incoherent rambling is equal to modern science and medicine.

  • raven

    I’m saying that we consider the arrogance of doctors and governments jamming needles in our arms and our children’s arms and forcing us to do these things.”

    1. Other arrogant groups include auto mechanics, engineers, accountants, physicists and in fact, anyone with a college degree. Anyone who knows more than Glenn Beck who has almost negligible education.

    2. This isn’t even factually true. He is lying here. After age 18 you have the legal right to reject all medicine and die any way you want.

    Children are required to be vaccinated to go to most public schools. Exemptions for religious reasons are available and often used.

    Parents opposed to vaccination either use the religious exemption or send their kids somewhere else i.e. homeschooled or private xian. You don’t think these parents would dare send their kids to public schools to get a real education, do you? They could end up realizing that Glenn Beck, Pat Robertson et al. are ignorant clowns.

    3. Needless to say unvaccinated kids get sick a lot with infectious diseases that were once all but unknown. They sometimes die. I’ve even seen that.

  • alanb

    Beck’s charge of “arrogance” might make some sense if there weren’t such a thing as herd immunity. As it is, the parents who don’t vaccinate their kids and put other people’s children at risk are the arrogant ones. However, I wouldn’t expect Beck to know or care about such a sciency fact.

  • Ellie

    Beck goes on my list of people I want to put in an iron lung for a day, whilst – and at the same time – giving them a bad case of shingles.

  • raven

    As it is, the parents who don’t vaccinate their kids and put other people’s children at risk are the arrogant ones.

    Yeah. My local school district had an outbreak of whooping cough. This has been happening all over the west coast for years now.

    1. They immediately sent all the unvaccinated kids home for the duration. There is an internet distance learning option so they made arrangements for at home schooling.

    2. No one died in this one, but a lot of people including new born babies ended up in the hospital. It was a close thing. In other outbreaks, children and babies have died.

    3. Oddly enough, a lot of those unvaccinated kid’s parents suddenly decided that vaccines weren’t that bad and had their kids vaccinated against whooping cough. It turns out that having your kids at home all day while you have to go to work was a worse option.

  • blf

    This moves beak from a minor villain in a failing elderly comic to a hero in an ancient religion (that is — to the reality based community — an extremely wicked monster). Being a bloviating eejit of no consequence is one thing, being a bloviating eejit advocating genocide is a very different matter.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Who do they think they are! Darn those arrogant doctors for insisting that my child not spread diseases! What next, are they going to force me to warn local pregnant women that my child is a festering cauldron of German measles?

     

    This is America! What happened to the Freedom and Liberty to be a vector? Herd Immunity is Socialism!!!

  • whheydt

    My wife and I are old enough that quite a number of the vaccines now available didn’t exist when we were kids. I check with our doctor periodically to see if there is some vaccine I should be given. In the case of TDAP, during the outbreak of Whooping Cough a few years ago, we got that shot. It was not only to protect us, but because we have an extended household and I wanted to add protection for our grandson who was too young to get that particular vaccination (he is now six…and up to date on his vaccinations…no sympathy for anti-vaxxers in the middle generation, either).

    I may be a bit more sensitive to these issues than some. One of the neighbor kids I played with in the mid=50s had had polio and still had (and used some of the time) an “iron lung”. My mother nearly died of pertussis at the age of 10 months…there not being much one could do to prevent it in 1913.

    One wonders… Does Beck have kids? Have *they* been vaccinated?

  • Larry

    I’d bet Beck is all up-to-date on vaccinations for hepatitis, tetanus, and others required when traveling overseas. He probably gets an annual flu injection as well. If he’s been to Africa or South America, I’d also be he doesn’t want to get malaria or yellow fever so he’d take whatever treatment his doctor recommends. Its just for other people’s children that he says vaccinations are tyranny.

    Fucking asshole.

  • raven

    One of the neighbor kids I played with in the mid=50s had had polio and still had (and used some of the time) an “iron lung”.

    I grew up during the end of the polio era.

    One Monday, in early grade school, the word went around the playground. A kid in the second grade had died. From polio.

    A whole lot of adults limped in various idiosyncratic ways. Including one of the teachers. We all knew why. Polio.

  • howardhershey

    My reply is always “If you think your kid (or you) can survive actually getting fully virulent measles, mumps, polio, smallpox, meningitis, flu, pneumonia, etc., what makes you think they/you will be more likely to be harmed by weakened or dead viruses or bacterial proteins from the same source?”

  • http://quodlibet-sarah.blogspot.com/ Quodlibet

    This reminds me to get my flu shot this week.

    I’m in my mid-fifties. I grew up in a large family on a farm. When I was a little girl playing barefoot outside (as we all did in the warm months!), I stepped on a rusty nail in the barn. Deep puncture wound. I got medical care, but I wonder how I would have fared if I had not been vaccinated for tetanus, as part of routine immunizations. Years later as a young adult, I received another puncture wound on my sister’s farm, this time from a (dirty) manure fork. Good thing I’d had tetanus boosters.

    I had chicken-pox when I was three. When I was nine, my nephew had chicken-pox, and the virus in me was reactivated in the form of a nasty case of shingles. (Yes, kids can get shingles. I still have scars.) Just a few years ago, I had shingles twice. I wonder if a vaccine would have spared me those later outbreaks? Anyone know? Would I benefit from a varicella vaccine at this point? My immune system seems not to have taken the hint.

    When I reached adulthood and moved out of my parents’ home (ca 1980), my mother gave me a neat, hand-written list of all the vaccines I’d had, and the dates administered, with a reminder to always get the boosters. I still have the list, a sweet memento of one of the ways she cared for her many children.

  • magistramarla

    My kids had to depend upon that herd immunity for a medical reason.

    Daughter #1 had all vaccinations on time and reacted mildly.

    Daughter #2 had a strong reaction when she had the DPT, to the point that her pediatrician decided to give her vaccinations at a slower rate, to give her a chance to be older and better able to deal with them.

    When my son was born, the pediatrician decided to use the slower schedule for him, especially since I was breastfeeding and could provide him with some immunities through the milk. At six months, he had his first DPT and reacted moderately. At nine months, he had the second one and had a rash from head to toe, 106 degree fever and convulsions. We brought the fever down in a cool bath and then hurried to the doctor’s office. There, his fever went back up to 106 and he was convulsing again. The doc and his nurse stayed there with us most of the night until my baby was safe to go home. The doc reported the case to the county as “the worst reaction to the pertussis vaccine that I’ve ever seen in my practice”. I was told by both the pediatrician and a letter from the county health department that I was advised to never allow my son to have the pertussis vaccine again.

    My two younger daughters were also only given the TD, not the DPT, and at the slow schedule for all vaccines.

    The entire time that my kids were in elementary school, I freaked out anytime that an illness went through their classes and they came home with bad coughs.

    Once they were teens, we tried the complete list of vaccines again, and everyone did fine. My son even served in the Marines and took all of the vaccines required to deploy overseas. He did develop a fever and some strange rashes that prompted the military docs to keep him in the hospital overnight for observation, but did well after that.

    As grandchildren have been born, I’ve worried about any of them reacting, especially my son’s baby. All of them have had their vaccines, but on the slow schedule.

    This is why I’m not anti-VAX, but I am for slow-VAX. I worry about throwing too much, too fast at a small baby’s immune system. Most can handle it just fine, but what about the ones who are like mine, and will react strongly?

    If my son had been a very young baby when he had those convulsions, what could have happened?

  • Michael Heath

    Our region’s newspaper had a page 1 set of articles this morning regarding anti-vaxxers. Children in the respective schools who haven’t been vaccinated run from 0% to 28%. The school with 0% is tiny, they graduate a handful of students per year.

    Links: http://goo.gl/06023r and http://goo.gl/UR83Fo.

  • garnetstar

    By “arrogant”, Beck means that doctors know that, for centuries, half of all children died before the age of five from the dreaded “childhood diseases”, many of which are now-preventable. And, that doctors try to prevent it.

    I always say that to those who say vaccination isn’t “natural”. No, it’s not. What’s natural is for half of your children to die before they’re five.

  • thebookofdave

    “Whenever you put medication in your body,” he said, “there is an equal and opposite. It happens. You’re putting it in to fix this organ or to fix this flaw, it’s going to push something else out of the way.

    I bet he this one comes from personal experience. Probably got a shot in the ass that threatened to dislodge his head. It must have been terrifying. There, there, Glenn. It’s all over now.

  • Gvlgeologist, FCD

    But I thought anti-vaxxers were liberals. This should be brought up every time a reporter tries to bring up the false equivalence of “But both sides are anti-science. The cons are creationist and global warming denialists, while libs are anti-vaxxers.”

    The other difference, of course, is you won’t see anti-vax in any Democratic platform, nor will you see any other supposedly liberal anti-science position. Anti science is embraced by Repubs, cons, and TPers because it meets their agenda.

  • lorn

    In addition to disease “coming’ there is also the regular tide and pull of the stupid. People get swept away and die from it. Nobody can explain that.

  • iangould

    I wonder if Glenn has stopped taking his meds for his bipolar disorder?

  • speed0spank

    @iangould – if you’re gonna make jokes about my mental illness could you at least put some effort into it? Thx

    Wasn’t Beck the one who captured a hospital visit on video, red faced and crying in pain. I wonder how suspicious he was about those super arrogant doctors that helped him to get better.

  • Steve Morrison

    “There’s a balance in all things,” he concluded.

    Well, isn’t it obvious what he means? Vaccines aren’t necessary, because they presuppose the germ theory of disease, which is only a theory! In reality, illness is caused by an imbalance of the four bodily humors.

  • dingojack

    MO (#7) – ‘German measles’?!? Surely you mean FREEDOM measles!

    😉 Dingo

  • dingojack

    I had a burst of Shingles (with a side order of Chicken pox, yay!) about a month ago. It was like being whipped across the back with a thin, knotted cord, soaked in brine. Not a lot of fun. (The most irritating part was people asking ‘is it painful?’ ‘No it’s not painful’, I’d reply ‘it’s uncomfortable, childbirth is painful’.)

    I could have got subsidised anti-virals for $20 or so within 12 days of it coming up, but I as too late and wasn’t going to pay the couple of hundred for the unsubsidised anti-virals thank you very much, I had to wait it out. Grrr.

    The moral is: get vaccinated (it prevents shit like this in the first place) and if in doubt, see your doctor ASAP.

    Dingo

  • Alverant

    The only way herd immunity will work is by requiring you get YOUR kids vaccinated so I can have my religious exemption.

    /s

    Seriously though, I don’t think “religious exemptions” should be allowed. I understand people have their beliefs, but there comes a point where their beliefs can harm others. By not getting vaccinated people are putting others at risk. This is another case of christian privilege where those with power can have their force religious opinions on others and make them suffer while avoiding having to deal with the fallout of those opinions.

  • sezme

    @8

    One wonders… Does Beck have kids? Have *they* been vaccinated?

    Yes and yes.

    Interesting, eh?

  • Snoof

    What the hell could it possibly mean that “there’s a balance” in this context? Just weird.

    it means that while he, personally, doesn’t wish to die from preventable disease, he’s perfectly fine with other people dying of preventable disease.

  • whheydt

    Re: sezme @ #25…

    I would actually rate that as the least interesting and least surprising data point. Just goes to show that he falls for a “goose/gander sauce” fallacy.

    Re: Snoof @ #26…

    Yabbut…other people around him dying of preventable diseases increases the risk that he will too (vaccines aren’t perfect, they just massively skew the odds). He’s actually not doing himself any favors, but probably doesn’t understand that.

  • anubisprime

    This latest pronouncement by Becky baby has all the bells and whistles of posing by flexing that flaccid blob of jelly where the brain should be, for the awe struck denizens of dumbville to marvel at his right wing credentials as befits their collective anti-science stance.

    Pitching the curved ball of “If I don’t understand it then you won’t understand it therefore it is bullshite” ploy so beloved by most of the wannabe pseudo right wing self described ‘ intellekt-u-alls’ just like Palin and Robertson.

    The downside being the sycophantic audience they are all pitching to are just as chronically dumb as the pitchers, tis a quid pro quo bean feast, and they all assume they come out as winners in the lottery of bloated righteousness with fatuous disregard for reality.

  • eric

    Beck said, insisting that he is not against all vaccinations but simply objects to the arrogance of doctors and the government telling people they must get vaccinated

    Right on! I also object to the arrogance of police insisting I must drive on the right-hand side of the road.