Priest Babbles About Satanic Mass on Fox News

Father Jonathan Morris is a frequent (and paid) Fox News contributor and he routinely says really dumb things. But in a segment on Fox and Friends about the Satanic mass in Oklahoma City last weekend, which he wanted shut down by the city, he can’t even come close to a coherent position on the issue.

Morris acknowledged that Satanists had a “political right” to worship, but he said that the city also had a “responsibility to defend the good governance of its people.”

“Anybody who walks into a crowded theater and yells ‘Fire!’” he continued. “Do they have a right to do it? Yes. Free speech? No! Why? Because you’re inciting violence.”

“When you have a group that does this, not just because they want to do their own little worship, but they are provoking anger and hatred among the community, the city can step in and say, ‘That’s not worship, that’s not free speech, that’s mockery, and you’re inciting violence!’”…

“But what if I want to go and desecrate a Koran out in front of my church?” Father Morris asked. “What if I want to speak pro-Nazi stuff right in front of my church and get people all fired up on a public sidewalk? I think at some point government has to step in the name of free speech.”

This is downright embarrassing. He thinks they have a right to do it, but shouldn’t be allowed to do it because it has something to do with shouting fire in a crowded theater (and it doesn’t). And the government should prevent them from doing it “in the name of free speech.” He’s a moron.

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  • http://www.thelosersleague.com theschwa

    “Yes, you have the right to do it, but if you exercise that right, you will be arrested.” Sounds like a good deal!

  • eric

    When you have a group that does this, not just because they want to do their own little worship, but they are provoking anger and hatred among the community

    Look, you had to pay to go see them. Its not like they walked in to your theater and shouted something, you literally had to walk in to theirs. So as far as I can tell, your complaint is just because they wanted to do their own little worship. You can’t possibly be complaining about accidental public exposure, because the only members of the public who would see it were the ones who actively sought out the opportunity to see it.

    But what if I want to go and desecrate a Koran out in front of my church?”

    That’s legal. Assuming it’s your Koran and you didn’t steal it.

    “What if I want to speak pro-Nazi stuff right in front of my church and get people all fired up on a public sidewalk?

    You can do that too.

  • Randomfactor

    So the crux of his argument is that Christians are violent when they don’t get their way?

  • raven

    This is one of the main fallacies of the Catholic church.

    1. They claim to have most of the universe’s supernatural superpowers. The celestial troops include god, jesus, the Holy Spook, Mary, the Angels, and the Saints. The human troops include wizards known as the Pope and priests. Plus 1 billion believers who at least can make one huge mob and pay for it all.

    2. They then act like they don’t believe it. Afraid of some guy no one ever heard of in Oklahoma City performing a Black Mass, a meaningless ritual that most likely never really existed outside of novels and Catholic propaganda.

    It’s really their self appointed job to keep satan and the demons away. It’s what they get paid big bucks to do.

    If they can’t do that, why call them the One True Xian Cult and send them billions of dollars? (Send it to my cat. My cat has as much supernatural superpower as the Pope, priests and ministers put together.)

  • D. C. Sessions

    Randomfactor, that’s pretty much it. They’re pretty much like Muslims that way: show them some ankle and they rape, show them some heresy and they get violent.

  • Alverant

    So by having a non-christian prayer on public grounds will incite violence in christians, but the fault is not in those committing the violence. Way to go for the party of personal responsibility.

  • raven

    The Catholic church hasn’t been able to get good priests, including the higher up Bishops, Cardinals etc. for generations. It’s starting to show.

    These priests and Archbishops babbling away about this Black Mass show all the intelligence and creativity of a starfish. They look like what they are, twisted old men who aren’t very bright.

    This event in Oklahoma would be an ideal time to demonstrate their superpowers, how strong their faith is, and showmanship. They should have simply had a counter mass and preventative exorcism. On TV and uploaded to Youtube. They could then claim credit when nothing happens, no demons, no earthquakes, no tornadoes. It’s a PR opportunity sent from heaven!!!

    Instead they just rambled incoherently and tried to shut it down like they are afraid of it. Not smart, not creative, not even credible.

  • dingojack

    I bet he was shocked (shocked I tells ya) when he voluntarily bought a ticket for a strip-show, of his own volition entered, and of his own accord sat on the somewhat tacky seat, only to discover the show involved nude women!!

    Boy, he was nearly spontaneously ‘incited’ into raping the first women he saw*.

    @@

    Dingo

    ———

    * Too bad she was a black-belt in Karate and ‘contained’ the threat till his raging hard-on subsided (about 2 and a half seconds I’d guess).

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Now, look, you have the “right” to say things with which I disagree, but the government needs to step in and stop you from the Free Exercise of that “right” to protect you from Moral Americans like me and our Established Religion, because we love The Constitution enough to prevent people from wearing it out. You can Peaceably Assemble all you want; the rest of us are under no such restriction.

  • dingojack

    I believe in England in the 60’s there were a flowering of ‘gentlemen’s’ clubs. These clubs were private clubs that you could only get into by invitation or by being a paid-up member, This prevented the police for filing charges of public indecency as the public were not ‘likely to be offended’.

    It’s the same deal here, if you pay to go in, you’re tacitly agreeing to see the show, and you can’t be offended outside the venue, no matter what you think might be going on inside, because you’d have to take actions that would signal you’re actively seeking to be offended, which is kinda like paying to get in (just cheaper).

    IANAL.

    Dingo

  • http://www.facebook.com/den.wilson d.c.wilson

    Look, it’s very simple. You have the right to do something that offends me, but I have the right to use the government to shut you down, because that’s freedom!

  • John Pieret

    When you have a group that does this, not just because they want to do their own little worship, but they are provoking anger and hatred among the community, the city can step in and say, ‘That’s not worship, that’s not free speech, that’s mockery, and you’re inciting violence!

    Two words: Nazis and Skokie.

  • anubisprime

    “When you have a group that does this, not just because they want to do their own little worship, but they are provoking anger and hatred among the community, the city can step in and say, ‘That’s not worship, that’s not free speech, that’s mockery, and you’re inciting violence!’”…

    Yet he was perfectly seemingly happy about the free speech available to the Phelps clan, in fact uttered not a flatulent toot about the Westboro church that regularly picketed, and presumably still, pickets military funerals of young men that died for their country, displaying their vile placards that certainly provoked anger and hatred among the community and great distress to close family members in their grief.

    That says more about Father Jonathan Morris then any of his fatuous outpouring of faux outrage on behalf of any community.

  • Michael Heath

    The Priest states:

    I think at some point government has to step in the name of free speech.”

    This is an illustration of the mother of all defects within nearly all of Christianity, not just the conservative sects. And that’s falsely claiming a laudable position that is the opposite of what is actually demonstrated.

    Here it’s demanding an infringement on speech rights while falsely claiming such an infringement would be protecting speech rights. How do Christians come by such delusional thinking? Well, this is consistent with Christians falsely claiming that God loves us and is good while also promoting the idea that very same god will wreak unimaginable suffering upon some for all eternity.

  • EnlightenmentLiberal

    @Michael Heath

    In what is perhaps a rare move for me, I’ll say it’s not a defect in Christianity, nor even of religion. This kind of authoritarianism is common to all cultures of all times as far as I can tell. For example, just last week, where perhaps only Ed and I were actually defending free speech, and several others – apparently regulars – were arguing for exactly this kind of authoritarianism.

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/2014/09/03/6th-circuit-allows-hecklers-veto-in-dearborn/

    I fail to see a meaningful difference between this case here and the case with the pig’s head. Both are protected speech, and both should be protected speech.

  • dhall

    The word “hypocrite” doesn’t seem quite strong enough sometimes. “Asshole,” on the other hand . . .

  • dingojack

    Apparently EL – has great difficulty with anything but monochrome. How surprising (or not).

    Dingo

  • thebookofdave

    @John Pieret #12

    I hate Illinois Nazis!

  • EnlightenmentLiberal

    Apparently EL – has great difficulty with anything but monochrome. How surprising (or not).

    Just pointing out selective ignorance or hypocrisy where I see it.

  • greg1466

    Even from his own description, they are provoking anger amongst the community and inciting violence…against themselves. Seems to me that if person A urges person B to commit violence against person C, that’s person A inciting violence in a criminal manner. If person A offends person B such that person B commit violence against person A, that’s assault on the part of person B. And person B just plain being a dick.

  • dingojack

    EL (#19) – whilst studiously ignoring your own glaring examples selective ignorance and/or hypocrisy. We’ve all got it.

    Dingo

  • dugglebogey

    John Lennon said it best:

    If you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao You ain’t going to make it with anyone anyhow.

  • jnorris

    Yes, the government has to do something because all the prayers of the archbishop, bishop, priests, nuns, and common sheep in the pews will not get White American Jesus to give a crap.

  • jonathangray
  • EnlightenmentLiberal

    @dingojack

    EL (#19) – whilst studiously ignoring your own glaring examples selective ignorance and/or hypocrisy. We’ve all got it.

    Could you be more specific please? Otherwise I don’t know what you’re talking about.

    @greg1466

    “Inciting” mere anger has nothing to do with inciting violence. Allowing censoring of speech which merely makes people angry would completely destroy free speech as we know it. Your position is ridiculous on its face.

  • dingojack

    EL – Since you brought it up, you first.

    Dingo

  • EnlightenmentLiberal

    @dingo

    My comments about hypocrisy were directed at some of the regulars, not all. I do not remember if you took a side on the Christians carrying pigs heads while protesting. If you think that carrying pigs heads should be banned because it’s offensive, or because it’s incitement to violence, or because it would lead to violence, or because it might accidentally touch someone who doesn’t want to be touched – and if you’re in favor of allowing the Satanists to have their black mass, then you’re probably a hypocrite. Also, if you are in favor of trying to find a loophole in the law, like a health code violation for carrying a pigs head in public, to deny the Christian protestors their speech, – and if you would be similarly outraged by the Christians finding a loophole in the health code to stop the black mass (such as peeing on someone should be a health code violation), then you are a gigantic hypocrite.

    Of course – again – I don’t know which position you took if any, and so I am not necessarily calling you one here.

  • EnlightenmentLiberal

    @dingo

    So, does it mean that it’s your turn now?