Could Gretchen Carlson Be More of a Stereotype?

I might stop portraying the right wing as a bunch of simpleminded demagogues pushing an appalling xenophobia and nationalism if they didn’t live up to it so damn often. Just watch Fox News’ Gretchen Carlson go all “if you don’t love this country, get the hell out” on a bunch of high school students protesting possible curriculum changes.

The Jefferson County school board proposed changes to the AP U.S. History curriculum in response to the College Board’s new framework for the class, which conservatives claim “emphasizes negative aspects of our nation’s history while omitting or minimizing positive aspects.”

The school board would like to form a committee to review the school’s curriculum and make sure that AP U.S. History course materials “promote patriotism” and do not “encourage or condone civil disorder, social strife or disregard of the law.”

Students took issue with the proposal and have staged walkouts this week in protest. They argue that the proposal will keep teachers from covering civil disobedience…

Fox’s Gretchen Carlson was incredibly upset that students had the nerve to protest curriculum changes proposed by the school board.

“The last time I checked, we were still living in the United States of America, where we have a national anthem and an American flag,” she said on her show, “The Real Story.” “Are they the next things to be controversial and talked about being thrown out? How could being patriotic or learning about patriotism be a negative?”

She was troubled that students took issue with the curriculum’s attempt to “encourage that there be no disregard for the law.”

“Isn’t that why we have laws on the books? Or have we come to the point where breaking the law is now an admirable choice?” she asked.

Carlson said that rather than protest a curriculum that teaches them about the right to protest, students should just go.

“Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for freedom of speech and the ability to gather and state your claim. But, quite frankly, if you don’t like it here, and you have a problem with promoting the basic freedoms that men and women have died for — protesting for the rest of us and protecting us — then get out,” she said.

Yeah, don’t get her wrong! She loves freedom of speech! But if you’re going to say things she doesn’t like, you need to leave the country. Because Lee Greenwood says so. Or something. Seriously, it’s time to shut the hole that makes the words.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/charlie.cain chuck c

    “Isn’t that why we have laws on the books? Or have we come to the point where breaking the law is now an admirable choice?” she asked.

    Something something Revolutionary War something…

  • alanb

    She was troubled that students took issue with the curriculum’s attempt to “encourage that there be no disregard for the law.”

    I don’t think that’s the issue. The issue is, in my understanding, whether schools will be able to teach about things that “encourage or condone civil disorder, social strife or disregard of the law.” That leaves out a good chunk of the Civil Rights movement as well as other important points in our history. They wouldn’t even be able to teach about The Great Bundy Ranch Standoff.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    Funny how you’re all over the xenophobic-wingnut aspect of this issue; but you seem to have nothing at all to say about the libertarian aspect: these curriculum changes are supported by school-board members who are allied to the Koch Brothers; and part of their “new” curriculum consists of praising the role of businessmen in creating everything that’s good about America.

    If you want to complain about stereotypical wingnuts, you should also mention their most crucial allies.

  • Larry

    Tell me, Gretchen, how do you feel about Nevada ranchers who refuse to pay fees to graze their cattle on government property. Those fees are law. Any comment?

  • eric

    “The last time I checked, we were still living in the United States of America, where we have a national anthem and an American flag,” she said on her show, “The Real Story.” “Are they the next things to be controversial and talked about being thrown out?

    Ironic considering the only group demanding subjects be ‘thrown out’ is the conservative school board. The students are arguing for a wider range of content to be included.

    Carlson said that rather than protest a curriculum that teaches them about the right to protest, students should just go.

    Props to Ms. Macneal (the author) for getting it.

  • kantalope

    The kids and teachers were hilarious on twitter about it http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2014/09/jeffcoschoolboardhistory_tweets.php

    Also, I have not heard anything about it, but if the class does not conform with the college boards curriculum would the kids get college credit for the course? Does anyone know? That’s the whole point in taking the AP version of the class.

  • Chiroptera

    “The last time I checked, we were still living in the United States of America, where we have a national anthem and an American flag.”

    lol wut?

    kantalope, #6: Also, I have not heard anything about it, but if the class does not conform with the college boards curriculum would the kids get college credit for the course?

    I don’t know the College Board’s accreditation standards for AP courses. I do know that they have to take a standardized test at the end of the course; that may be how College Board makes sure the material is presented in some kind of acceptable manner.

  • eric

    Chiroptera @7 –

    I do know that they have to take a standardized test at the end of the course; that may be how College Board makes sure the material is presented in some kind of acceptable manner.

    True, but the AP history exam also includes an essay. I can imagine a huge political stink exploding across the news pages if the AP organization starts giving low grades to kids in a district that received a “conservative” history education. Best to support the kids and teachers here and now, try to make sure they get an unbiased (or at least mainstream) treatment of history, before that even becomes an issue.

  • dingojack

    “How could being patriotic or learning about patriotism be a negative?”

    Patriotism, what could possibly go wrong?!?*

    Dingo

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    * Or even

  • dingojack

    “She was troubled that students took issue with the curriculum’s attempt to “encourage that there be no disregard for the law.”

    Too right,.

    Americans should have shut up, paid their taxes to support the troops protecting them and stayed in the Empire.

    Dingo

  • howardhershey

    I am reminded that the conservative’s version of morality is obedience to authority. That is why they keep using the “they’re illegal” argument about undocumented immigrants without even considering that the law most certainly can sometimes be an ass.

  • kantalope

    Alan Franklin ‏@alanfranklin Sep 23

    Upton Sinclair’s The Jungle is a great American story of capitalism and savory meat products. #JeffCoSchoolBoardHistory #copolitics

  • tubi

    So if we rule out teaching anything that encourages that there be no disrespect for the law, I guess we’ll just have to skip over most of the material from about 1770 through 1790. Wouldn’t want the little snowflakes to learn about those notorious lawbreakers Jefferson, Madison, Adams, Washington. Franklin, et al.

    After all, one man’s freedom fighter is another man’s rebel guerrilla.

  • Chiroptera

    But, quite frankly, if you don’t like it here, and you have a problem with promoting the basic freedoms that men and women have died for — protesting for the rest of us and protecting us — then get out,” she said.

    Actually, I’ve been tempted for a while to say something similar to conservatives who are unhappy about same sex marriage.

  • doublereed

    “Isn’t that why we have laws on the books? Or have we come to the point where breaking the law is now an admirable choice?” she asked.

    Is she really this naive? Does she know nothing about Martin Luther King Jr.? He’s not exactly considered a minor figure.

  • raven

    go all “if you don’t love this country, get the hell out” on a bunch of high school students.

    The real rabid America haters are the Fox NoNews viewers, rightwing nuts, and xian Dominionists.

    They openly hate the USA and openly want to destroy it and its government. They call for their gods to harm or destroy us or threaten to launch an uprising against the government. Some prominent members including retired US generals want the US military to overthrow the government.

    I’ve said for a while that if they hate the USA so much, they could always leave for a xian utopia somewhere. As well as offering to pay for a one way ticket if they renounce their US citizenship. They never do though.

    Oddly enough, two couples I know have left the USA permanently. They weren’t rightwingers but rather the opposite.

  • raven

    The school board would like to form a committee to review the school’s curriculum and make sure that AP U.S. History course materials “promote patriotism” and do not “encourage or condone civil disorder, social strife or disregard of the law.”

    ????

    Sounds like the school board is owned by rightwing nuts/christofascists.

    I can’t imagine the AP US history curriiculum doesn’t promote patriotism or advocates breaking the laws and social strife. Most likely they want the David Barton/Jeffery Fallwell version of US history, the one as real as biblical history.

  • raven

    Protesting is not breaking the law. It is a civil right in a democracy!!!

    There was a march about climate change just last week in NYC with 300,000 people. AFAIK, all completely legal.

    I’ve been to many, starting as a kid growing up during the Vietnam War. I consider it to this day as one of my more worthwhile activities.

  • raven

    FWIW, governments and totalitarians absolutely tremble in fear when people hit the streets.

    1. Americans are apathetic and sedentary. It takes a lot to get them out in the streets. When you see them marching, it means they are seriously, completely fed up.

    2. It also means the government(s) are losing control and the support of the governed. If enough people hit the streets long enough, they can even lose their jobs. In times past like the French Revolution, they could also lose their heads.

    We’ve seen it happen in the USSR, Iran, and last in Egypt and Libya.

  • dugglebogey

    I agree. Stop trying to make more restrictive abortion laws. If you don’t like the freedom to get abortions we (used to) have in this country, then get the fuck out!

  • John Pieret

    From the article:

    In a statement, board member Julie Williams defended her proposal and decried the College Board’s new course that “rejects the history that has been taught in the country for generations.”

    “It has an emphasis on race, gender, class, ethnicity, grievance and American-bashing while simultaneously omitting the most basic structural and philosophical elements considered essential to the understanding of American History for generations,” she said of the College Board framework.

    It sounds like the College Board is precisely teaching the basic structural and philosophical elements essential for an understanding of American History.

  • dingojack

    Meanwhile, in far away Hong Kong….

    So I guess the RWNJs will be calling on the protestors to go back to their homes and let the Politburo (or the Chinese equivalent) decide who should be in government. No need for that pesky democracy thingy.

    Right? [crickets from the right].

    Dingo

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Look, you dirty hippies don’t understand, but this country was founded on the right to obey! Why do you think we celebrate Dependence Day every July 4th?

  • scienceavenger

    So conservatives protested the new standards, which apparently makes them great patriots (by ommission) according to Carlson, but students protesting the resulting committee makes them dirty commies who need to GTFO.

    Could her double standard be any more obvious?

  • caseloweraz

    Colorado Public Radio has an excellent backgrounder here: http://www.cpr.org/news/story/heres-whats-behind-jeffco-history-curriculum-protests

    Some excerpts:

    Williams has said the district should be molding good citizens, not “rebels.”

    Give them good government and they’ll be good citizens.

    Last November, three new board members were elected — Williams, Ken Witt, and John Newkirk. The three formed a new conservative majority on the five-member board, which immediately triggered anxiety among teachers and parents about the new direction the board might take. During the election campaign, the three new members talked about supporting school choice and opposing a ballot measure that would raise money for schools.

    Colorado has long been my favorite state, mostly for the scenery. The more I learn about its politics, however, the more I want to live there. To speak up for the reality-based community (not that I would be a tide-turner, you understand, but one more voice strengthens a chorus.)

  • Michael Heath

    A founding American ideal, which is a primary buttress of the U.S. Constitution, is the argument of ‘just governance’. That limits government power. I quote the DofI:

    . . . Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it . . .

    Civil disobedience was collectively practiced with our arguably treasonous and certainly violent revolt against Great Britain; justified by the DofI and it’s ‘just governance’ standard. The of DofI was and remains an argument, our revolt certainly was not legal but instead illegal. Of course historical literacy at Fox News is a defect, not a desired attribute.

    That won’t stop Fox from making the very argument I make here when they’re pandering to the gun rights nuts arguing for ‘2nd Amendment solutions’. Such contradictions are a characteristic indoctrinated due to religious indoctrination; which allows them to avoid cognitive dissonance while making contradictory arguments whenever it’s convenient to do so.

  • raven

    During the election campaign, the three new members talked about supporting school choice and opposing a ballot measure that would raise money for schools.

    1. Looks like this school district elected typical John Bircheroids.

    2. They hate public education and want to defund the schools.

    3. You can’t blame the school board. Dogs gotta be dogs. You have to blame the people who elected them.

    4. School bond levies everywhere have been hard to pass. My local district has been passing them for decades. The schools are known to be good and it makes this area a popular one for people to move to which supports real estate values.

    The last one was a squeaker though. For once it barely passed.

    5.

    Jefferson County, the fourth most populated county in Colorado, is located along the front range of the Denver metro area.

    I had to look it up. Jefferson county isn’t some hick place out in the boondocks. It has 1/2 million people and is located between Denver and Boulder. It still doesn’t make me want to move there though. Go a few more miles and you are in…Boulder.

  • raven

    Colorado has long been my favorite state, mostly for the scenery.

    Utah, oddly enough, has long been one of mine. And it is all for the scenery!!!

  • http://festeringscabofrealityblogspot.com fifthdentist

    Yeah, we can’t have an unruly mob breaking the law by throwing the job creators’ tea overboard and causing losses for our corporations/people.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    fifthdentist “Yeah, we can’t have an unruly mob breaking the law by throwing the job creators’ tea overboard and causing losses for our corporations/people.”

    If you’re going to misremember history, at least do it rightly!

    The Founding Fathers Inc., a closely held private corporate entity, had a deeply held religious belief that Britain’s DHS decision to force them to cover, aid or abet in any way the consumption of tea (tea ontaining caffeine, a known abortifactient, or caffeine-free tea, still refered to as abortifacient even though it isn’t, but religious beliefs don’t have to be right they just have to exist) by sluts, protested by dressing up as a baseball team and prevented anybody from getting any tea. Yadda yadda yadda, America.

  • eric

    @21 – How much you want to bet that, according to these board members, the “most basic structural and philosophical elements” includes the 10 commandments?

  • John Pieret

    eric @ 31:

    Don’t forget God-approved unrestrained capitalism, the complete elimination of any program to help the “takers,” and flag lapel pins for everyone!

  • caseloweraz

    Further developments in Jefferson County: Teachers in both high schools staged a “sick-out” today to protest the school board’s tactics.

    Source

  • dingojack

    MO (#23) – “Dependence Day”?!?

    Isn’t that when the grateful nation hands old farts like you their yearly supply of adult diapers?*

    :) Dingo

    ———–

    * One each, in accordance with strict Judeo-Libertarian values.

  • eric

    @32 – and the rejection of environmentalism, because Jesus is coming back any day now.