Texas Tech Frat: ‘No Means Yes, Yes Means Anal’

For those who still think that there’s no such thing as rape culture in this country, I present to you a fraternity at Texas Tech who threw a party and put up a sign that said “No means yes, yes means anal.” This on the heels of Forbes firing a columnist for a column blaming women for being raped after passing out at fraternities.

Texas Tech University is investigating reports that its Phi Delta Theta fraternity displayed a sign at a recent party reading “No Means Yes, Yes Means Anal.”

The website Total Frat Move on Monday posted two photos allegedly from the fraternity: the first showing the banner, and another of a display in the shape of a woman’s private parts, which appears to feature a working sprinkler. TFM stated that the photos came from a hurricane-themed party hosted by Phi Delt at the Lubbock, Texas, university over the weekend.

TFM, a website that caters to members of fraternities, took down the post Monday evening, but not before BroBible posted copies of the images. TFM did not respond to questions on Twitter about why the entry was removed, although it left its original social media posts online.

“Sexual misconduct is a serious issue,” Chris Cook, a spokesman for Texas Tech, told The Huffington Post by phone on Tuesday, adding that the university’s investigation into the reports is ongoing.

Yeah, but who needs feminism, amirite?

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  • John Pieret

    PDT = pretty dumb thugs.

  • doublereed

    I swear I saw this exact same article a year ago.

  • eric

    @2 – yeah I remember it too. Could be, however, that the frat itself is reusing theirs or someone else’s old material.

  • John Horstman

    It’s apparently a frat rape meme that’s common enough to have been in the news twice now. The old story others are remembering was a Yale frat that staged a parade (pogrom?) through the campus where the members/pledges were chanting the rape slogan.

  • http://aceofsevens.wordpress.com Ace of Sevens

    2 & 3: You’re thinking of a frat that got banned from Yale for chanting the same phrase. They are really tempting fate here.

    http://bigthink.com/focal-point/no-means-yes-yes-means-anal-frat-banned-from-yale

  • kosk11348

    @2 I believe you might be thinking of the time a bunch of frat boys marched around Yale campus shouting the same “catchphrase.”

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    …and another of a display in the shape of a woman’s private parts, which appears to feature a working sprinkler.

    You kids these days, and your displays in the shape of womens’ private parts, which appear to feature working sprinklers!

  • felidae

    Back in the 60’s a frat where I went to college had bumper stickers printed up that said

    AVOID RAPE–SAY YES Nothing new under the sun

  • grumpyoldfart

    They feel they can do whatever they like because there are never any consequences. Mummy and daddy will always look after them if things go wrong.

  • whheydt

    Lubbock, eh? I was in second grade* just down the road from there in Abilene. Major “Bible Belt” area.

    *It was only year I spent in Texas. My father was a tech rep working under contract with the Air Force. I think we moved as much or more than most service personnel. I got one good think out of though…First Place in the Oil Belt Regional Science Fair. Turned out, so far as I know, that the judges didn’t know any more than I did that Spirit Lake is actually about 20 miles from Mt. Lassen.

  • escuerd

    @whheydt,

    Was that a swypo for Mt. St. Helens?

    If so, Spirit Lake is a lot closer to it than that. Easily less than 2 miles at nearest points, and something like 5 summit to centroid.

    And yeah, Lubbock kinda sucks, though this issue really doesn’t seem like much of a regionally divided one within the U.S.

  • http://www.pandasthumb.org Area Man

    “No Means Yes, Yes Means Anal.”

    And yes to anal means like… double anal.

  • leni

    That would have been so much funnier if they were NYPD and not just some Lubbock frat dbags.

  • Curt Cameron

    whheydt wrote:

    Lubbock, eh? I was in second grade* just down the road from there in Abilene. Major “Bible Belt” area.

    Abilene is way more “Bible Belt” than the rest of west Texas. I grew up in San Angelo and went to college in Lubbock, and they’re plenty Christian, but not nearly like Abilene, which is almost completely Church of Christ.

  • brianl

    That old thing? Heard it every Fall when I lived on fraternity row in Austin in the late 80s. Tradition. The frat boys were that dumb back then, too.

  • jonathangray

    Yeah, but who needs feminism, amirite?

    Varg’s view.

  • yoav

    #16

    Varg’s view is idiotic. Some of us Y chromosomites grown up and are actually capable to understand that women are actual human being that have individual qualities that we can find attractive or unattractive on a case by case basis regardless of their supposed function as domestic servent/sex toy which is all Varg (and since you brought it up, I assume you as well) can see. The problem there is not in women or in feminism or with modern values it is with you.

  • matty1

    Who is Varg and why the fuck should we pay attention to him?

  • zmidponk

    Re:Varg’s view

    Is it really that difficult to grasp that the issue is one of choice? Women should have the right to choose not to be the stereotypical ‘stay-at-home mom’ if they want, but should also be free to do so if they want. They should also be free to choose to try to find some middle ground that allows them some aspects of that, and some aspects of any and all alternatives. They should also be able to exercise their right to make choices about any aspect of their life without being regularly subjected to abuse for doing so (such as being called ‘slutty’ or ‘whorish’ for deciding to dress and conduct themselves in a sensual and/or sexual manner, or being called ‘frigid’ or an ‘ice queen’ for deciding not to).

  • flatlander100

    Re: this being evidence that a “rape culture”exists in the US. (1) When Yalie frat meatheads went aroind chanting the phrase, their frat was banned from campus? If so, hardly evidence of tolerance of a rape culture, is it. (2) The Texas Tech meatheads are in trouble for the banner and sprinkler boorishness, or at least are under inbestigation by the school. Again (pending school action), dorsn’t seem like tolerance of rape culture to me. 30 years ago, this kind of jockstrsp boorishness would have been dismessed as boyish pranks, no big deal. Now, it’s unacceptable campus conduct with significant consequences. The term for that difference is progress. (3) from what I’ve found so far, there are no reports of anyone being molested at the party, the banner and sprinkler notwithstsnding. In sum, not evidence for tolerance of a “rape culture” there.

  • whheydt

    Re: escuerd @ #11…

    Nope. It was the 1956-57 school year. St. Helen’s wasn’t “on the radar” for kids interested in volcanoes in those days.

    Re: Curt Cameron @ #14…

    At that time (may still be true), there were *three* Bible colleges in Abilene. Texas has (or, at least, had…since I’m talking about a time over 50 years ago) “local option” liquor laws. The county that Abilene was in was also “local option”. No surprise that Abilene voted dry, so the nearest bars were just over the city limits and that is where you could find the college students on Friday nights. (See? There actually is an on-subject tie in.) I understand that since then, the area just north of Abilene incorporated and voted wet.

  • http://artk.typepad.com ArtK

    @ flatlander100

    It’s evidence for rape culture because some moron thought that it was a good idea in the first place; it’s rape culture that produced this banner. Yes, it’s great that the Yalies got in trouble and these bozos are going to too, but most of us would prefer that it stop at the source. Plus, the good actions of a few college administrators doesn’t negate the bad actions of a lot of college administrators. There’s plenty of “boys will be boys” and victim-blaming that happens on college campuses.

  • ckdhaven

    “Yeah, but who needs feminism, amirite?”

    Yeah, but I also feel that if you get to that age and feel like such sentiments are OK, something went seriously wrong in the parenting department.

  • flatlander100

    Ck@#23 Yup. Absolutely. I’d only add that with that banner flying and that sprinkler sprinkling, I’ll bet the frat still drew substantial numbers of women to the party. Might raise a question or two about parenting in their cases as well. I wonder how many women arrived, saw the banner and sprinkler, said “Thanks for the heads up, guys” and walked out. Based on what I saw at the Enormous State University campuses I worked at for 41 years, (in three states) I’m betting not many.

  • scienceavenger

    No Means Yes, Yes Means Anal

    Imagine the frat boys reaction to seeing a banner with that phrase in a gay pride parade.

  • Taz

    Imagine the frat boys reaction to seeing a banner with that phrase in a gay pride parade.

    They wouldn’t care – there’s no fear there. Now if it was in a prison rec room. . .

  • jonathangray

    yoav:

    Some of us Y chromosomites grown up and are actually capable to understand that women are actual human being that have individual qualities that we can find attractive or unattractive on a case by case basis regardless of their supposed function as domestic servent/sex toy

    Of course, but this isn’t about what one finds individually attractive in a woman; it’s about the importance of gender-differentiated social roles.

    matty1:

    Who is Varg and why the fuck should we pay attention to him?

    Because he’s a likely future.

    zmidponk:

    … choice … should have the right to choose … want … should also be free to … want … should also be free to choose … should also be able to exercise their right to make choices about any aspect of their life …

    But suppose they can’t?

  • postwaste

    My college. Sigh.

  • Pieter B, FCD

    I don’t know if Varg is a “likely future,” but he’s quite the charmer. Neo-Nazi, convicted murderer, probable arsonist and general hatemonger.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    When Yalie frat meatheads went aroind chanting the phrase, their frat was banned from campus? If so, hardly evidence of tolerance of a rape culture, is it.

    The persistence of that slogan (and other, similar expressed sentiments), over many years, as documented by others here, IS evidence of rape-culture.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    Gray, your lazy citation of this Varg guy once again raises serious questions about your own character. You still haven’t really explained why you cited him. “Because he’s a likely future” really doesn’t say much. Do you even know what you’re trying to say?

  • Nick Gotts

    Who is Varg and why the fuck should we pay attention to him? – matty1@18

    A friend of jonathangray’s, presumably, so there’s no reason we should pay attention to him.

  • colnago80

    Re Raging Bee @ #31

    Is the blogs resident Phalangist, Jonathan Gray, the John Gray who wrote the smear attack on Richard Dawkins in the New Republic?

    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119596/appetite-wonder-review-closed-mind-richard-dawkins