Staver: Gay Marriage the 'End of Western Civilization'

Mat Staver, the dumbest lawyer in America not named Larry Klayman, is in a frothing rage over the Supreme Court’s judicial inactivism on same-sex marriage. He says gay marriage won’t just destroy the family, won’t just destroy America, but will destroy all of western civilization!

“When less people get married and you have more children out of wedlock, when you destabilize the institution of marriage, you make the economy poorer and you make the society unstable. That’s exactly what we’re having and that’s what we’re going to see here in America and around the world,” he said. “When you tinker with the very basic foundation of family and you assume that gender doesn’t matter, you ultimately affect the rest of society and the strength of civil government.”

Beyond mere social unrest, Staver warned that recent rulings in marriage cases have sent us hurtling towards self-destruction. “This is something that I believe is the beginning of the end of western civilization. You can’t simply redefine and pretend that ontological differences between men and women do not exist. This will have consequences.”

Seriously, could you say something that stupid without feeling some shame over it? I don’t think I could. But he doesn’t know he’s stupid, so I guess he can.

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  • John Pieret

    When less people get married and you have more children out of wedlock, when you destabilize the institution of marriage

    Everybody knows that no one but gays still get married in Massachusetts anymore.

  • colnago80

    Re John Pieret @ #1

    Marriage has sure been destabilized in Massachusetts which has one of the lowest divorce rates in the country.

  • bruceh

    There’s a fair bit of unpacking to do in these two short paragraphs.

    “When less people get married and you have more children out of wedlock, when you destabilize the institution of marriage, you make the economy poorer and you make the society unstable. That’s exactly what we’re having and that’s what we’re going to see here in America and around the world,” he said. “When you tinker with the very basic foundation of family and you assume that gender doesn’t matter, you ultimately affect the rest of society and the strength of civil government.”

    Firstly, it’s “fewer people” not “less people”. So right away, we see the intellectual weight he brings to bare on what follows. Secondly, he tries to make it personal by saying “you” instead of “society”. This is a tactic designed to elicit emotion, not rational thought.

    When he claims it is homosexuality that causes problems in society and government, he is attempting to redirect outrage away from the true causes of these things: namely, conservative policy which directly and explicitly attacks and weakens government. A weaker government is less able to constrain the vagaries of the wealthy oligarchs who (perhaps indirectly) line his pockets.

    So, is it stupidity or mendaciousness? Perhaps it is both.

  • whheydt

    “Destabilizing marriage”…why isn’t he out there pushing for laws that ban divorce?

  • raven

    “This is something that I believe is the beginning of the end of western civilization.

    ??? What is the downside here?

    If hatred, bigotry, incoherent religious superstitions are Western Civilization, it needs to die for the good of humankind. If Mat Staver represents Western Civilization, than the dead body needs to have a stake driven through its heart.

  • raven

    you have more children out of wedlock,

    40% of all children born in the USA are born to unmarried parents. The vast majority of these are…heterosexual and at least nominally xian.

    I assume Mat Staver will read this on Google and immediately attack unmarried xian heterosexuals with children.

  • dingojack

    Apparently, when asked about ‘Western Civilisation’ Ghandi responded:

    ‘I think it would be a very good idea’.

    Dingo

  • sugarfrosted

    @3 Less vs. Fewer is bullshit with no linguistic reality anyway. That’s nitpicking and make me want to hate you.

  • mikeym

    “Ontological?” I thought the RW viewed embryology as a lie from the pit of hell.

  • jnorris

    When less people get married and you have more children out of wedlock, when you destabilize the institution of marriage, you make the economy poorer and you make the society unstable.

    A testable hypothesis. I wonder if Mr Staver has any evidence. Mr Staver…?

  • raven

    I wonder if Mr Staver has any evidence. Mr Staver…?

    He is confusing cause and effect. Not that he knows the difference.

    During the Great Recession, the US birthrate dropped a lot. With a weak economy and high unemployment, many people just didn’t think it was a good time to have a baby. It has since recovered under Obama</b with an improving economy.

    This was of course, Bush/Cheney's fault. If Staver wants to blame anyone, he can blame the bad economy and Bushco for destabilizing the American family. Poor families are often neither stable nor all that happy.

  • whheydt

    Re raven @ #6…

    That sort of statistic is suspect. In California, birth certificate didn’t (don’t?) show marital status of the parents and with a common practice for years of women not changing their names when getting married, it was assumed in studies that if the last names of parents differed, they weren’t married. This resulted in major over-estimates of the number of children born to unmarried couples.

  • sezme

    Firstly, it’s “fewer people” not “less people”. So right away, we see the intellectual weight he brings to bare on what follows.

    Ha! That’s funny.

    Muphry’s law: If you write anything criticizing editing or proofreading, there will be a fault of some kind in what you have written.

  • dingojack

    But Mat – I thought gays getting married means no more children* and the collapse of society through senescence.

    @@

    Dingo

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    * RWNJs seem to have difficulty imagining that having children doesn’t just involve bland, cursory weekly sessions of missionary-position sex with one’s wife (women aren’t real people to them). It would greatly surprise them to learn that perhaps 200,000 children are being raised by gay couples.

    Also that about 40% of LGBT are married or in a long term relationships, as opposed to 60% of non-LGBT people. (Bear in mind that marriage equality is only available in 15 or so states in America…)

  • estraven

    Well, gee, “less” vs. “fewer” is one of my pet peeves, and when it comes to language, grammar, punctuation, etc., I have many. I try to curb it but wrong usage of “less” and “fewer” just irritates the hell out of me. Who knows why? As a double major in linguistics and English, the descriptive vs. prescriptive sides of me have often been in conflict. If you really want to get me going, though, it’s all about apostrophe abuse. ; )