Cardinal: Don’t Allow Children Near Gay Relatives

While Pope Francis has been busy trying to paint a smiling face on the Catholic Church, word seems not to have filtered down to some of his underlings. Cardinal Raymond Burke, Cardinal Prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura, made some staggeringly dehumanizing statements about gay people in an interview with LifeSiteNews. They asked him “what parents should do in the case where their son wants to bring his homosexual partner to a Christmas dinner where their grandchildren will be present.”

Speaking to LifeSiteNews on a short break from the Synod yesterday, Cardinal Burke, the Prefect of the Vatican’s Apostolic Signitura, called the Pirolas’ question a ‘delicate’ question that needs to be addressed in a “calm, serene, reasonable and faith-filled manner.”

“If homosexual relations are intrinsically disordered, which indeed they are — reason teaches us that and also our faith — then, what would it mean to grandchildren to have present at a family gathering a family member who is living [in] a disordered relationship with another person?” asked the cardinal.

Burke added, “we don’t want our children” to get the “impression” that sexual relationships outside God’s plan are alright, “by seeming to condone gravely sinful acts on the part of a family member.”

“We wouldn’t, if it were another kind of relationship — something that was profoundly disordered and harmful — we wouldn’t expose our children to that relationship, to the direct experience of it. And neither should we do it in the context of a family member who not only suffers from same-sex attraction, but who has chosen to live out that attraction, to act upon it, committing acts which are always and everywhere wrong, evil.”

He added, however, that “families have to find a way to stay close to a child in this situation — to a son or grandson, or whatever it may be — in order to try to draw the person away from a relationship which is disordered.”

In other words, throw them out of the family because they’re “evil” and their nieces and nephews might get the gay cooties. I think I can safely speak for all of my many gay friends when I say: Fuck you, Cardinal Burke.

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  • arthurski

    Whatever else you may do, never allow your kids anywhere near a catholic priest !

  • Kevin Kehres

    Is that what’s known as “projection”?

  • Alverant

    Burke added, “we don’t want our children” to get the “impression” that sexual relationships outside God’s plan are alright

    Then keep them away from the clergy unless you think pedophilia and covering it up is inside God’s plan and/or is somehow not as bad as two consenting adults having a relationship.

  • http://Reallyawakeguy.blogspot.com somnus

    I would argue that it’s better advice to keep your children away from strongly religious relatives. but that’s just me.

  • John Pieret

    “we don’t want our children” to get the “impression” that sexual relationships outside God’s plan are alright, “by seeming to condone gravely sinful acts on the part of a family member.

    Is there such a thing as an irony singularity?

  • scienceavenger

    If homosexual relations are intrinsically disordered, which indeed they are — reason teaches us that and also our faith…

    You know, there is this new technique that has been developed for discerning what is and isn’t true that has proved remarkably effective, and has moved the state of human knowledge further in a couple hundred years than reason and faith managed in thousands: science. Perhaps you’ve heard of it. Perhaps you’ve also heard that it finds homosexuality to exist throughout the human and animal kingdoms, and is not any more intrinsically disordered than any other relationships.

  • mars

    I kinda sounds like the one adult child is gay, that person’s brothers and sisters are welcoming, and the grandparents want to have a snit against all their children using their grandkids as an excuse. After all, if the parents of the grandchildren were toeing the Catholic party line the grandparents wouldn’t have a problem. Basically, the bishop is telling the grandparents to overrule the actual parents, which is just lovely.

  • D. C. Sessions

    Cardinal Burke, the Prefect of the Vatican’s Apostolic Signitura, called the Pirolas’ question a ‘delicate’ question that needs to be addressed in a “calm, serene, reasonable and faith-filled manner.”

    Translation: “You can’t just shoot them. It’s necessary to avoid getting caught, at the very least.”

  • Michael Heath

    Raymond Burke:

    “If homosexual relations are intrinsically disordered, which indeed they are — reason teaches us that . . .

    Ed’s response [purposefully quote-mined]:

    I think I can safely speak for all of my many gay friends when I say: Fuck you, Cardinal Burke.

    One of countless illustrations that when the Truth of Christianity is dispassionately revealed, atheists can only respond with impotent spittle-laced invectives.

  • theguy

    @#6

    I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not, but homophobic bigotry isn’t truth, and it doesn’t magically become truth by capitalizing it.

    “Spittle-laced invectives” are totally appropriate as a response. I’m sick of listening to people like this cardinal condemn and damn others.

    These people aren’t using “reason,” just the belief that God created sexual procreation, therefore any other type of sex becomes bad because it doesn’t fit a “purpose.” Following the defined purpose isn’t always good, and doing something different isn’t always bad.

  • theguy

    I meant #10 to be a response to #9

  • matty1

    I’m pretty sure that 9 is sarcasm, either that or someone else is using the name Michael Heath. The [purposefully quote-mined]: suggests the first.

  • colnago80

    Quite a case of hutzpah on the part of a representative of the Raping Children Church.

  • steve oberski

    From the transcript of the INTELLIGENCE² Debate considering whether the Catholic church is a force for good in the world.

    CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS

    Unanswered questions: amazing, no one, though they were asked repeatedly, would say whether they thought Stephen Fry, my friend, was in a state of mortal sin or not. They wouldn’t tell you. Something about the question brought out their inner coward. Well, I say that homosexuality is not just a form of sex, it’s a form of love, and it deserves our respect for that reason. That when my children were young, I’d have been proud to have Stephen as their babysitter, and I’d’ve told them they were lucky, and if anyone came to my door as a babysitter wearing holy orders, I’d call first a cab and then the police.

  • Larry

    I’m not catholic, but if I were, I’d make damn sure my children were never left alone with any member of the church hierarchy before I’d worry about gay Uncle Ned. There’s documented proof that the former are intrinsically harmful to children. The same can’t be said for Ned.

  • anubisprime

    So much for a more liberal, humbler, kinder all encompassing church under Franny…meet the new boss same as the other 265…

    No fuckin’ intentions of changing their stripes never have!

  • ctyankee

    It’s gonna be funny, because the latest word from the celibate dudes in the funny hats is *way* softening that language: http://religiondispatches.org/r-i-p-pope-john-pauls-contraceptive-mentality-1979-2014/

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Look, it’s a safety issue. They could get ecstasy on the mashed potatoes, or women’s golf on the turkey. And have you ever tried getting glitter out of a rug? Have you?!

  • http://timgueguen.blogspot.com timgueguen

    I suspect, in North America and Western Europe at least, it would be very hard to find a Catholic who doesn’t have at least one person who is “intrinsically disordered” in their lives, be it a gay person, a divorced person, or one who has done some other thing a Catholic Cardinal would claim is contrary to Catholic doctrine. Burke would probably be upset at the sheer number of Catholics who use artificial birth control.

  • kangxi

    This Berk or Burke says this is a ‘question that needs to be addressed in a “calm, serene, reasonable and faith-filled manner.”’

    ‘Reasonable’ and ‘faith-filled’ don’t really belong together in the same sentence, as they sort of cancel each other out.

  • eava

    So if Aunt Jane and Uncle Jack are living together but are not married, cross them off the Christmas invite list. Especially if Aunt Jane is pregnant, or there are any other children conceived without the Church’s blessing. We can’t have little Johnny thinking that raising eastwards is OK. And Aunt Mary who got divorced, yeah cross her off too.

  • eava

    That should be bastards, damn autocorrect!

  • Michael Heath

    theguy responds to my post # 6:

    I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not . . .

    Snark all the way.

    Jesus remains very dead, if he was ever real; while Poe is flourishing.

  • dingojack

    eava – would that mean that little Johnny has had a ‘dawning realisation’?

    :) Dingo

  • Nick Gotts

    Cardinal Prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura

    Also Grand Panjandrum of the Most Excellent Order of the Golden Rhinoceros, Celestial Cofactor of the Umbrageous Perambulator, and Honarary Equipartite Rejuvenator of the Grand-Nephews of Sesquipedalian Erotomania.

  • birgerjohansson

    …and Duke of Mars.

  • anubisprime

    ctyankee @ 17

    Pretty damn soon the RCC will claim they were at the forefront of promoting the homosexual agenda in order to bestow SSM rights…it is just a matter of opportunity.

    But it is beyond reasonable doubt that ‘Franny’ is the newly formulated, new improved, all singing, all dancing, all encompassing , pink ‘n’ fluffy, friendly, wise, loving face of the old, decrepit, creaking, filthy, cess pit, of a magisterium without a valid clue and so steeped, drenched and dripping in gross and pernicious criminality they recognised it only as a virtue.

    ‘Franny’ is the ‘cure’ from ‘Bennie’ who was akin to a rabbit caught in the headlights on so many occasions on so many accounts from ‘Intelligent design’ to errant holocaust denying bishops, to clerical abuse of children, a totally worthless incompetent with no vision, no ideas, and no intellectual prowess, added to which rumours were circulating of a vast and largely hidden nest of iniquity in the Vatican under his tutelage and vague alleged issues of his own sexuality, whatever, he was damaged goods, incapable of leadership and just had to be fired and hidden away being a true embarrassment to katolik’ ego because folk were beginning to notice.

    ‘Franny is the face of the Bigots-B-Uz PR dept, it does not mean he is the soul of the church, just the brand icon.

    Vacuous old farts like Burke will continue to stench up the air for a few more years yet.

    Burke and the likes of Murphy O’Connor will continue to haunt society with their blatant foolishness for the foreseeable future, the only thing to do is respond with impotent spittle-laced invectives.

    Because they have demonstrated over and over again that hey are not open to either debate or rational argument…as Ed eloquently puts it and I expand…

    ‘fuck ’em all and let their sky fairy sort ’em out!’

  • martinc

    @21:

    raising eastwards

    That’s a lovely euphemism you’ve accidentally invented. Many of my friends have raised their kids eastward, it’s quite the thing these days.

  • dingojack

    Nick Gotts (#25) – you forgot First Eagle of the Apocalypse

    :) Dingo

  • http://quodlibet-sarah.blogspot.com/ Quodlibet

    They asked him “what parents should do in the case where their son wants to bring his homosexual partner to a Christmas dinner where their grandchildren will be present.”

    Hmm, let’s think. Let’s review basic good manners, since the cardinal seems not to know what to do about house guests. First, respond to the request:

    “Oh yes, it would be great to meet him! How nice that you both can be with us.”

    Make the couple welcome when they arrive.

    “Hello! Come in! It’s great to meet you at last! Let me introduce you to everyone. I just made coffee; would you like a cup? Or perhaps beer or wine?”

    Be sure to include the children so they can learn from your example.

    “Johnny and Mary, this is Uncle Bill and his partner Steve. Steve, these are Tom’s sister’s kids, Johnny and Mary.”

    Be sure your guests are comfortable.

    “You two will have the blue guest room at the top of the stairs. Let me know if you need anything. We are glad you are here! How long can you stay? My folks are going to church in the morning, and some of us are going for a hike; please join in wherever you’d like. Oh, and let me know if you have any special food needs.”

    Did I leave anything out?

    Doesn’t seem difficult. Good manners.

  • anubisprime

    Oh dear…Chummy has blotted his copybook…Franny is not best pleased!

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29669231