More Bigots Calling for ‘Civil Disobedience’

I continue to be absolutely fascinated by the now-constant call of anti-gay bigots for civil disobedience in response to the legalization of same-sex marriage in a majority of the United States. Linda Harvey is the latest to do it, but like all the other she doesn’t actually spell out what she thinks people ought to do.

Linda Harvey of Mission America warned on her radio bulletin yesterday that America has entered “a time of possible civil disobedience” following the Supreme Court’s recent marriage equality announcement, telling listeners that “we must not serve the interests of sin and darkness” and “this court’s inaction is an act motivated by evil and deception and ultimately will not stand.”

“This is attempted theft of what God has ordained and our Lord will not honor this lawlessness,” Harvey said. “Allowing homosexuality to become normal in America may certainly be part of God’s judgment on our once-Christian nation for our irresponsible sexual practices and for turning our back on what the Lord has taught us. Even so, God will at some point allow the consequences of such defiance to play itself out and that will be a very tragic day indeed for those who have thumbed their noses at the Lord as they celebrate sin.”

Harvey hoped the court’s action will actually give a boost to the work of anti-gay activists: “Those of us who know the truth about homosexuality are far from finished, and in fact, God will use this cowardly act by the majority in our high court to bring a new zeal and fervor to the pro-family movement.”

Think of all the forms that civil disobedience has taken in this country in the past. Burning draft cards during Vietnam? There’s no parallel to that here. Sit-ins? Where are they going to do that, in county clerks offices? Are they really going to stage a sit-in to try to deny other people equal rights? And do they think that would actually change anything?

I think this is part of a pattern. We’ve seen how the right wing has tried to adopt the rhetoric and language of civil rights movements, pretending to be the victims of discrimination and persecution and appropriating leaders like Martin Luther King as if they would ever agree with their current positions. Now they’re trying to adopt the tactics as well, but there doesn’t seem to be any actual act of civil disobedience to do that would do anything at all to help their cause.

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  • http://www.thelosersleague.com theschwa

    Think of all the forms that civil disobedience has taken in this country in the past. Burning draft cards during Vietnam? There’s no parallel to that here.

    Sure there is! When the government revokes your traditional marriage license and issues you your new gay-marriage license, simply burn that in protest. It is just like the draft card. I do not know how you missed it, Ed!

    AND you can also make it a sit-in. When the Obama thugs come to take your wife (to be assigned to a new lesbian “wife” while you are assigned a new “husband”), simply handcuff yourself to her and sit.

  • Chiroptera

    I, for one, refuse to get gay married! Take that Obama!

  • D. C. Sessions

    They could bomb the cars of any same-sex pairs they see showing up at the courthouse.

    It works for abortion, after all.

  • John Pieret

    she doesn’t actually spell out what she thinks people ought to do

    Hold their breath until they turn blue?

    I suppose they might believe their own silly rhetoric that pastors will be forced to celebrate gay marriages and be thrown in jail if they don’t. The pastors, despite the “threat” of jail could still refuse and then the they can go on hunger strikes in prison.

  • Chiroptera

    Also, remember that Civil Disobedience means that you are going to be arrested. Attacked by police dogs. Beaten with truncheons. Pepper-sprayed. Hand-cuffed, hauled in, booked, and thrown in jail. Possibly even a prison term. That is what happened to people who engaged in civil disobedience in the past. How many anti-gay bigots are really willing to stand up for the beliefs in this manner? Hell, the throw a cry-baby fit when their businesses are merely fined!

  • eric

    Sit-ins? Where are they going to do that, in county clerks offices? Are they really going to stage a sit-in to try to deny other people equal rights?

    Or maybe the go the abortion clinic route and line the streets around the Courthouse, harassing couples that want to go in to get married. Courthouses have a high police presence though, I can’t imagine that strategy going over well with the local government.

    But I think the bottom line here is that one critical difference between this one and other civil disobedience protests is there is no wide scale, open support for this one. Yes, there are many individuals opposed to SSM. But there seem to be very few opposed to it to such an extent that they will take the day off work, go down to the county clerks office, and be seen on camera to sit there in protest. Not even the pundits and people demanding disobedience will do it. Even the anti-gay activists aren’t that activist about it, to say nothing of the anti-gay public.

    Frankly, I think a Mayor, Governor, and/or judge would take the anti-SSM position more seriously if anti-SSM activists could collect a very large group and stage a peaceful sit-in. But the fact is that they can’t; the numbers that care about it that much (or are willing to be seen as caring that much) just aren’t there. So they aren’t taken that seriously.

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    Ted Nugent is gonna shit his pants again. Civil disobedience!!

  • raven

    One reason why the anti-gay marriage bigots lost what little traction they had:

    1. Gay marriage doesn’t effect them in any real negative way!!! Or me. Or most people.

    2. Are there gay married couples on my road? Sure, it connects with all the roads in the USA. I have no idea who they are and could care less. It’s simply irrelevant to my life.

    3. About the only civil disobedience they could do is…don’t get gay married!!!

  • Mike Morris

    The civil disobedience could take the form of loud disruptive behavior like the recent marriage in Coronado where a heckler in an adjacent building yelled from the shadows. Coward successfully disrupted a gay wedding outside. The facility recently provided a new ceremony minus the bigot to make amends.

  • Chiroptera

    raven, #8: Gay marriage doesn’t effect them in any real negative way!!!

    Well, they will be forced to bake cakes for gay people and photograph them being happy. And then get paid for it. Oops, I didn’t mean to say that last bit.

  • raven

    The fundies will have to find a new group to hate and discriminate against. The anti-gay thing is winding down.

    It’s probably going to be Moslems and atheists.

    They’ve been upping the fundie xian Hate and Fear Machine already.

    But they never entirely drop one of their hates. It just goes down the list.

  • John Pieret

    Ted Nugent is gonna shit his pants again. Civil disobedience!!

    Civil incontinence? That might work … nasty but it might work.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    We Constitutional Conservative Christians will protest and attract attention to this issue by going to the clerk’s office and getting all the marriage. It’s a tactic straight from those bastions of Conservative thought, Cloward-Piven.

  • dugglebogey

    I think the “civil disobedience” they’re advocating and encouraging is hunting down and killing gay people.

    I really do.

  • http://drx.typepad.com Dr X

    I’m sure that any day now, Harvey will be clubbed, hosed and bitten by Southern police dogs.

  • beezlebubby

    The reasoning behind this is so clear that I’m surprised nobody has raised it. They want a few clerks or magistrates to refuse to do their jobs. Then, when they’re reprimanded, censured, or fired, they can scream bloody martyrdom and maintain their persecution complex.

    Of course, I always maintain that martyrdom should only count if someone actually dies for their cause. Otherwise, they’re just arguing on what will certainly turn out to be the wrong side of the issue.

  • D. C. Sessions

    Civil incontinence? That might work … nasty but it might work.

    It’s much more effective if you say the word, “ebola.”

  • flatlander100

    It is obvious what the appropriate form of civil disobedience should be in this instance: unmarried Christians must refused to wed until gay marriage is again banned, and married ones must refuse to have children. I fully support civil disobedience along these lines.

  • Big Boppa

    Agree with beezlebubby @16 as to what it sounds like they’re advocating but fear that it’s actually a dog whistle as dugglebogey @14 suggests.

  • Larry

    What’s missing are some good protest songs, like they had in the 60’s. I’ll donate the following to the cause:

    There’s somethin’ happening here.

    What it is, ain’t exactly queer.

    There’s two men and a license over there,

    Telling me, we’re married, can you hear?

    I think its time we stop

    Hey, what’s that sound

    Everybody look, we’re sittin’ down

  • raven

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    Feb 21, 2014 – The legal attack on birth control is also a legal attack on gay rights. … Arizona is likely to give many business sweeping new rights to discriminate against LGBT people. … The Court’s decision in Christian Legal Society v. … but it also involved an anti-gay religious group claiming it should be exempt from an …

    I think what bigot Harvey means by civil disobedience is she wants wedding related businesses to refuse to serve gay couples. Which has already happened a few times.

    Then they try to get laws passed making religious based discrimination against gays legal. Just like Hobby Lobby did with the Supreme court.

    It’s just tribalism. We hate the same groups so we are in the same tribe, Oogedy Boogedy superstitious haters. Nowhere in the bible does it say you can’t sell goods and services to gay people, pagans, or nonvirgin brides. It does say you are supposed to kill them with rocks but they seem to have given up on mass murder. For the moment anyway.

    PS If you look at modern American xianity, it all seems to be a religion whose sole purpose is to hate gays. This is very recent evolution. You can call it a religion but it isn’t much of one. Ultimately, they make themselves look dumb and kooky and unappealing to normal people.

  • Alverant

    I wonder how the history department of the Colorado School Board will portray this in their textbooks.

  • http://artk.typepad.com ArtK

    I have some suggestions for civil disobedience in this area:

    Hold their breaths until they turn blue

    Roll on the floor kicking and screaming “I don’ wanna” over and over again

    Break their own toys (i.e. get divorced) to show mommy how angry they are

    Refuse to get married until mommy stops those mean gays

    Anybody who’s parented a toddler knows all about the civil disobedience these people are capable of.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Win for Larry.

  • cry4turtles

    “Ted Nugent is gonna shit his pants again.”. And if ol’Teddy thinks a fetus is more important than a woman, he can try to get a fetus to clean the shit stains out of his underwear, with no pay and no benefits!!! Thank you George Carlin Xoxox

  • eric

    @16:

    They want a few clerks or magistrates to refuse to do their jobs. Then, when they’re reprimanded, censured, or fired, they can scream bloody martyrdom and maintain their persecution complex.

    Yeah, that’ll work for about the next one to three election cycles. After that, I think such “persecution” acts are going to pull votes away from them rather than push voters to them.

    @22:

    I wonder how the history department of the Colorado School Board will portray this in their textbooks.

    The CSB has its own history department? Anywho, your general point is well taken. I expect at least some anti-SSM people are not doing street protests around weddings precisely because they don’t want to be the “crowd” in a Little Rock Nine-like series of historical photos.

  • dingojack

    MO (#24) – that’s high praise indeed!

    :) Dingo

  • eric

    What’s missing are some good protest songs

    Mine’s not as good, but…

    If I had a black robe,

    I’d ban it in the morning,

    I’d ban it in the evening,

    All over this land

    I’d ban out justice

    I’d ban them from forming

    Love between, my brothers and my brothers

    All over this land

  • briandavis

    I think they’ll stick with what they know best: burning crosses on the lawn and swastikas spray painted on the homes of gay couples.

  • abb3w

    @0, Ed Brayton

    I think this is part of a pattern.

    I agree, but would suggest a wider pattern still: it appears another cargo-cult like imitation of methods and language to attempt to duplicate the achieving of results, without understanding of how essential elements may be missing from their counterfeit. To parallel flood geology cargo cult science and the sovereign citizen practice of cargo cult law, perhaps this is cargo cult protesting? There may be a better term for this case; regardless of label, it seems to fit the pattern.

    Of course, unlike most “cargo cult” comparisons, this may actually be successful as a means of harnessing political power; and to the extent it proves so, may not deserve the “cargo cult” moniker.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=730511544 billdaniels

    The few bakers, florists, and wedding-venue owners who have refused to service a same-sex couple may consider that they are committing civil disobedience. But they don’t go all the way. Should be willing to pay the fines that have been imposed; instead they are bitching and moaning about the inconvenience of the fines.

  • Francisco Bacopa

    Their pleas for “civil disobedience” are totally about the harassment and murder of gay people. They plan to extract their revenge and they will kill many.