Kirk Cameron Saves Halloween Too

Following in the hallowed footsteps of Ernest, Kirk Cameron’s new movie aims to save Christmas. And in an interview with the Christian Post, he tries to save Halloween too. Many fundamentalists rail against Halloween as an evil pagan holiday, but he says it’s really a Christian one and the pagans have stolen it:

In a recent interview, Cameron addressed the same theories as they are applied to Halloween, clarifying why Christians “should have the biggest Halloween party on your block.”

“The real origins have a lot to do with All Saints Day and All Hallows Eve,” the actor told The Christian Post. “If you go back to old church calendars, especially Catholic calendars, they recognize the holiday All Saints Day, with All Hallows Eve the day before, when they would remember the dead. That’s all tied in to Halloween.”…

“When you go out on Halloween and see all people dressed in costumes and see someone in a great big bobble head Obama costume with great big ears and an Obama face, are they honoring him or poking fun?” Cameron asked.

“They are poking fun at him,” the actor said, answering his own question before comparing the concept of costumes to early Christianity.

“Early on, Christians would dress up in costumes as the devil, ghosts, goblins and witches precisely to make the point that those things were defeated and overthrown by the resurrected Jesus Christ,” Cameron continued. “The costumes poke fun at the fact that the devil and other evils were publicly humiliated by Christ at His resurrection. That’s what the Scriptures say, that He publicly humiliated the devil when He triumphed over power and principality and put them under his feet. Over time you get some pagans who want to go this is our day, high holy day of Satanic church, that this is all about death, but Christians have always known since the first century that death was defeated, that the grave was overwhelmed, that ghosts, goblins, devils are foolish has-beens who used to be in power but not anymore. That’s the perspective Christians should have.”…

“You should have the biggest party on your block, and you should have the reason for everyone to come to your house and before anyone else’s house because yours is the most fun,” he told CP. “Halloween gives you a great opportunity to show how Christians celebrate the day that death was defeated, and you can give them Gospel tracts and tell the story of how every ghost, goblin, witch and demon was trounced the day Jesus rose from the grave. Clearly no Christians ought to be glorifying death, because death was defeated, and that was the point of All Hallows Eve.”

I, for one, am going to embrace Halloween this year by dressing up as Kirk Cameron. Anyone know where I can find a moron costume?

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  • dhall

    Nice to know the fundies can’t tell the truth about that either.

  • blf

    Nuts! Here I was, looking forward to devouring a collection of self-delivering pre-packaged kids (who are so thoughtful to bring candies as dessert) in about a week’s time… and this “hero” (spits) plans on taking away my day of feasting, debauchery, and catapulting explosive gourds.

  • Kevin Kehres

    Crocoduck Boy!

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    I, for one, am going to embrace Halloween this year by dressing up as Kirk Cameron. Anyone know where I can find a moron costume?

    Last year, I knocked on his door dressed up as a fact. Scared the hell out of him.

  • John Pieret

    you can give them Gospel tracts and tell the story of how every ghost, goblin, witch and demon was trounced the day Jesus rose from the grave

    I foresee egged cars and toilet papered trees in Cameron’s future.

  • Chiroptera

    Modusoperandi, #4:

    BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

    That was great!

  • http://www.facebook.com/charlie.cain chuck c

    I, for one, am going to embrace Halloween this year by dressing up as Kirk Cameron. Anyone know where I can find a moron costume?

    I hear the TMLC is having a sale this week.

  • Michael Heath

    The moron Kirk Cameron:

    Christians have always known since the first century that death was defeated . . .

    Kirk’s still having trouble with the definition of “know”. This is a prime example of how nearly all Christians are liars given the liturgy of even most liberal denominations make assertions that are demonstrably not true or lacking any evidence at all. And yet those assertions are dishonestly presented as if those beliefs are objectively true. It’s the biggest lie in all of Christendom.

    The moron Kirk Cameron:

    Clearly no Christians ought to be glorifying death. . .

    Actually Hell-believing Christians do far more evil by celebrating a god who promises to do far worse then merely kill people, but instead threatens them to suffer unimaginably for all eternity.

  • http://www.facebook.com/den.wilson d.c.wilson

    But Michael Heath, he’s only making us suffer an eternity writhing in agony because he loves us.

  • eric

    I don’t really care how badly he gets it wrong, just so long as they start supporting it rather than trying to suppress it. Though I’m sure his puritan ancestors would be happy to hear that he’s adding a celebration of Halloween to the already existing celebration of Christmas.

    Clearly no Christians ought to be glorifying death

    So, you don’t celebrate Good Friday then, eh Kirk?

  • Chiroptera

    “Halloween gives you a great opportunity to show how Christians celebrate the day that death was defeated….”

    I thought they already celebrated that by coloring eggs and eating chocolate rabbits?

  • peterh

    Cameron’s disconnect with reality remains undisturbed.

  • Alverant

    I have Halloween off this year (we’re doing training the previous four days and I needed the break). I plan on watching monster movies and getting my car checked out before Thanksgiving (as most of my weekends between then and the holiday are busy). No trick or treaters come by my place anyway.

  • http://howlandbolton.com richardelguru

    Following the “God Snot Dead” movie titles, this would be a great one, only Ed misspelled ‘Two’

     

     Kirk Cameron Saves Halloween: II

  • Anne Fenwick

    Well, technically he’s right about the origins of Halloween, of course. But it’s not exactly been paganised, so much as secularised, just like Christmas. So what?

  • jba55

    “Anyone know where I can find a moron costume?”

    Abercrombie & Fitch.

  • http://drx.typepad.com Dr X

    Kirksplaining.

  • dhall

    #15 – I hope you’re kidding. Cameron is not right about the origins of Halloween, technically or any other way. Roman pagans recognized it as the one night of the year when the dead escaped from the underworld, and it may be an even older belief system than that. It predates Christianity by centuries, if not millennia.

  • eric

    Chiroptera:

    I thought they already celebrated that by coloring eggs and eating chocolate rabbits?

    Buy too many peeps in the spring, hand the excess out to kids in the fall. It’s the great circle of candy.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Candy goes in, candy comes out. You can’t explain it.

  • Alverant

    No Anne, he’s not right – technically or otherwise. Halloween was around long before christianity was even invented.

  • Reginald Selkirk

    If Kirk Cameron wore a moron costume, would anybody notice?

  • Dave Maier

    “you should have the reason for everyone to come to your house and before anyone else’s house because yours is the most fun […] you can give them Gospel tracts and tell the story of how every ghost, goblin, witch and demon was trounced the day Jesus rose from the grave.”

    Wow, that sounds like the mostest fun ever! Thanks Kirk!

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Alverant “No Anne, he’s not right – technically or otherwise. Halloween was around long before christianity was even invented.”

    If Halloween came before Christianity, then what about Jesus’ Parable of the Family That Hands Out Toothbrushes to Trick-or-Treaters and Get Their House TP’d and Then Get Mad Even Though It’s All Their Fault, itself based on the part of the story of Noah where kids dress up as animals to sneak on the Ark?

  • raven

    …and tell the story of how every ghost, goblin, witch and demon was trounced the day Jesus rose from the grave.

    Oh really? News to me.

    Demons and goblins still exist. Darth Cheney, George Bush, Ted Cruz, Kirk Cameron et.. They even have their own political party, the Tea Party/GOP. (They don’t look quite like the stories have them but they are also far more destructive.)

    Over time you get some pagans who want to go this is our day, high holy day of Satanic church, that this is all about death, but Christians have always known since the first century that death was defeated, that the grave was overwhelmed, that ghosts, goblins, devils are foolish has-beens who used to be in power but not anymore.

    More gibberish. I suppose when you believe in fairy tales, making up one more is no big deal.

    Pagans don’t believe in satan!!! You have to be a xian to believe in satan. He is a character straight out of xian mythology.

  • Reginald Selkirk

    GOP – the Goblin & Ogre Party.

  • CJO, egregious by any standard

    Hallowe’en traditions like scary masks, jack’o’lanterns, and trick or treating have pagan roots, but Celtic pagan (Samhain), not Roman.

    All Hallow’s Eve did not originate with those traditions, though, it was a Catholic observance all over Europe (Celtic practices were long gone from, say, Italy well before the early medieval period). Samhain got co-opted into it in popular celebrations where Celtic traditions persisted among Protestants who were no longer so keen on the saints, and the hybrid got more or less codified as a secular popular holiday in Victorian England.

  • John Pieret

    Fuck Kirk Cameron and let American Christians have Halloween. Let’s go instead with the Day of the Dead. Not only great food but all the tequila you can drink!

  • leni

    Just wear a green shirt and smile a lot. Then get a friend to stand next to you with a half-peeled banana and say “Notice how it has a point at the top for ease of entry?” Then move on. In unison. Smiling.

    No wait, don’t. That shit is way to scary for Halloween.

  • dhall

    #27 – The pagan Romans had a holiday based on their beliefs that one night of the year, the dead escaped from the underworld. To prepare for it, they gave their household gods, including Janus–who guarded the openings in any boundaries–extra treats to gain their protection for that night, and then they tried various tricks to keep the dead from entering their homes. Whether the Celts did anything like that for Samhain, I don’t know, but that’s what the pagan Romans did. It’s possible that there was some crossover in the observances because there were plenty of Celts in what’s now northern Italy, as well as what’s now Turkey, France, and Spain, and those areas became Roman territory centuries before Christianity was dreamed up.

  • CJO, egregious by any standard

    The only Roman festival I know of that bears any resemblance to what you’re describing is the Parentalis, celebrated for I think 7 days following the ides of February. I have never heard of a Roman belief that “the dead escaped from the underworld” on a certain day. Some of the “household gods” you’re talking about were the dead, the Manes, who were chastened in a ritual at the culmination of the Parentalis, sort of an exorcism, but that was in February and as far as I know it did not involve treats. Maybe you’re talking about something else, but Samhain is a much better fit than the Parentalis, being in the autumn for starters.

    Yes, the Celts were widespread but of the practices of the Celts of Northern Italy we know very little as they were defeated by the Romans who at that date were not interested in ethnography. The interaction that seems to have led to Holloween traditions being derived from Samhain are late, and from the British Isles.

  • https://www.facebook.com/larry.gerber.14 Larry Gerber

    Well, Kirk doesn’t have to wear a costume to go as a dick on Halloween.

  • Larry

    Anyone know where I can find a moron costume?

    You probably already have one in your closet. Just repurpose that George W. Bush costume from 2006 you wore that year.

  • peterh

    @ #15: Samhain predates xianity

    @#22 I’ve thought all along that Cameron was a moron costume; I must consult my tailor.

  • dingojack

    If Jesus defeated all those demons, why do your fellow morons Christians insist that gays are powerful because they are infested with demons?

    Checkmate Kirk!

    @@

    Dingo

    ———

    Parentalia, (13-22 Feb.) was a private, family festival to venerate their ancestors. The public festival was Feralia, (21 Feb.). Lemuria, were public and private festivals to celebrate (and appease) the dead (9,11,13 May). There were others too which could also be considered, but not in late October.

  • anubisprime

    It is very likely that Kirk’s head would explode if he ever found out about the true origins of Christmas.

    December 25th was finally decided on because it coincided with pagan festival Saturnalia on the 17th, it was not selected because it was the birth of Christ or anywhere near it.

    Just that it was an attempt to replace worship of the sun with worship of the Son!

    Several scriptural texts trumpeted about shepherds abiding in the fields at jeebus birth…that never ever happened in December…far to frickin’ cold!

    Seems the church pretended the 25th was the date to cover and hopefully smother Saturnalia season which was a bit of a fail really seeing as feasting and drinking and merry making, green decoration and pressy giving seems as prevalent now then it was in Roman times at this time.

    Just a snippet…

    In the Scriptures, no one is recorded to have their birthday commemorated.

    It is only confirmed sinners (like Pharaoh and Herod) who made merry and celebrated the day of their birth, all to do with fatuous ego apparently…rather a give-away there, and xianity once again shoots itself fairly and squarely up the ass.

  • tsig

    If death was defeated then a lot of people have never got the word and keep on dying.

  • dingojack

    Defeating death? Sisyphus, king of Ephyra, beat Jesus to it by at least 1200 years.

    Dingo

  • lofgren

    Every serious attempt to uncover the roots of American Halloween that I have read has been forced to admit that there is no perfectly clear historical corollary. Lots of cultures believe that there is one night a year when supernatural forces are more dangerous or more powerful, lots of them appease those forces with treats, going house to house in costume is not an uncommon way of celebrating whole bunches of holidays all over the calendar, and none of those holidays were celebrated consistently enough up to the modern day that they can be cited as the clear influence for Halloween.

    Of course it’s not impossible that some classics scholars picked up a book about ancient Roman holidays and decided to create their own version, but if you can’t point to a continuous tradition it’s pretty difficult to claim that this holiday was more influential than, say, the Celtic version (Samhain) which was celebrated around the 31st and involved dressing up in costumes, playing pranks, feasting one last time before darkness overtook the world for another season, and was claimed by writers to be celebrated continuously up until the 18th century (although it is difficult to know how accurate those claims are).

    Just as modern Christmas is a total mishmash of holidays from several pagan cultures as well as Christian influences, both Catholic and Protestant, fused with uniquely American flair that has now been back-exported to the European countries that originally influenced us, Halloween has no single, obvious predecessor. Cameron’s history is just as accurate as trying to claim that Halloween is directly descended from the Roman holiday or the Celtic holiday. Discounting the Christian influences on the holiday is every bit as disingenuous as discounting the pagan. Claiming that Halloween “predated” Christianity is tenuous because it requires a pretty sketchy definition of Halloween, one that would encompass dozens of holidays from cultures all over the world.

  • colnago80

    Re anubisprime @ #36

    Actually, December 25 was chosen because that would make January 1 the date when Yeshua ben Yusef of Nazareth underwent his bris ceremony.

  • eric

    Every serious attempt to uncover the roots of American Halloween that I have read has been forced to admit that there is no perfectly clear historical corollary. Lots of cultures believe that there is one night a year when supernatural forces are more dangerous or more powerful,

    I would also guess that many old or primitive religions from all over the world had some form of celebration associated with the seasons. It makes magical-thinking sense to celebrate new life in the spring and dying off in the fall, because that’s what you’re seeing happen in nature around you (at least in the northern temperate latitudes). And death/scary masks seem to be a pretty common way of doing the latter. You see the use of gruesome masks used in celebrations originating not just in celtic culture, but indepedently in Aztec and semi-independently in Caribbean cultures. Demon masks also featured prominently in asian art and theater, though I don’t think they were associated with any specfic day or any specific celebration.

    So if I had to guess, it probably didn’t have one source, but many. And it probably draws on some human tendencies that are common across many human cultures – using masks to temporarily take on different roles, attempting to laugh in/at the face of death, a ritual recognition that the growing season is ending an everything is going to die off, etc.

  • busterggi

    In Chistian calendars BC is just a theory because they don’t really believe anything existed before Christ.

  • http://archiveofbabel.wordpress.com/ archivistkristine

    A certain Jack Chick tract about the “evils” of Halloween come to mind…

    There is sure to be some intra-denominational fighting about this, being that there is a lot of anti-Catholic sentiment among the evangelicals responsible for “Jesusween.” Dress up as popcorn!

  • magistramarla

    Here’s a good source for information about Samhain from The Circle Sanctuary:

    https://www.circlesanctuary.org/index.php/celebrating-the-seasons/celebrating-samhain

  • Julie

    Cameron gets more wacky every day.

    some pagans who want to go this is our day, high holy day of Satanic church

    I didn’t know Pagans were Satanists! New thing learned today. Oh wait maybe not. *sigh* Nope Cameron is useless.