Joseph Farah Wishes the Earth a Happy 6028th Birthday

Joseph Farah of the Worldnetdaily is a young earth creationist. That’s long been known. Turns out he can’t do math either, since he thinks Bishop Ussher’s date of 4004 bc means the earth is 6028 years old (it would actually be 6017 — 4004 + 2014 – 1 for the non-existent year 0). And he has some really dumb things to say in a column about it.

Was the world created 6,028 years ago today?

That’s a question that will drive fans of Richard Dawkins and Stephen Hawking up the wall.

No it won’t. They’ll just laugh at you and give you the correct answer: No.

Do you believe the world is hundreds of millions or even billions of years old as evolutionists do?

Or do you believe the Earth is much younger, in line with the biblical genealogies beginning with Adam and Eve?

People get annoyed with me when I raise this issue. They say, “Farah, why don’t you stick with politics, instead of science and religion?” They say I jeopardize my credibility in reporting the news and the pressing issues of the day.

How cute. He thinks other people think he has credibility in reporting the news if not for this one thing. Adorable.

When I did a regular daily talk-radio show years ago, my producer would beg me not to go there, because, as he believed then, evolution was a matter of scientific proof, not a theory. (After listening to me talk about this topic day in and day out, he finally came around.)

Your producer was a moron. And so are you.

One thing we know for sure: Science can never prove the age of the Earth. Because science requires a methodology of observation and empirical testing that could never be done on an event that occurred thousands of years ago, millions of years ago or billions of years ago. God can, however, prove the age of the Earth because He was there. And someday, when He returns to judge His creation, He might just do that.

*headdesk*

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  • eric

    First, I don’t buy that producer story. Sounds like every YEC’s wet dream, “oh, I converted a heathen!” My guess is that it’s either a complete fabrication, or that said producer just stopped trying to shut Farah up and decided to humor him instead. Second…

    science requires a methodology of observation and empirical testing that could never be done on an event that occurred thousands of years ago, millions of years ago or billions of years ago.

    Hey, lookit those stars! And that uranium deposit!

  • John Pieret

    Science can never prove the age of the Earth. Because science requires a methodology of observation and empirical testing that could never be done on an event that occurred thousands of years ago, millions of years ago or billions of years ago.

    Or days or months or years ago … so, once again we have a supposed conservative advocating that we turn loose all those rapists and murderers who were convicted based on forensic evidence instead of direct observation and immediate empirical testing. Moron isn’t a strong enough word.

  • scienceavenger

    When I did a regular daily talk-radio show years ago, my producer would beg me not to go there, because, as he believed then, evolution was a matter of scientific proof, not a theory. (After listening to me talk about this topic day in and day out, he finally came around.)

    You can never prove that, because that requires a methodology of observation and empirical testing that could never be done on an event that occurred years ago. And spare me the “I was there” nonsense, you could be lying. You are not God.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    They say, “Farah, why don’t you stick with politics, instead of science and religion?”

    He’s terrible at a bunch of things, like a bizarro Renaissance Man or a Jack-of-No-Trades.

     

    Your producer was a moron.

    Alternately, he had a mortgage.

  • peterh

    Farah obviously is ignorant of the errors, unwarranted assumptions, neglected data and ignorance of Hebraic manuscript conventions that are combined in Bishop Ussher’s comically inaccurate guesstimate.

  • D. C. Sessions

    peterh, none of that matters. The good Bishop was, after all, guided by the Holy Spirit. The answer is therefore correct regardless of the menmonics shortcuts that led him to it.

  • Chiroptera

    They say I jeopardize my credibility in reporting the news and the pressing issues of the day.

    You want to know when Farah really jeopardizes his credibility in reporting the news and pressing issues of the day? When he reports the news and pressing issues of the day.

  • eric

    If we’re doing fake birthdays…happy 29th, Modus!

  • Dave Maier

    Some real head-desk action in the comments there. Check this out — hadn’t heard this particular idiocy before …

    “IF, as evolutionists claim, the earth is billions of years old, and mankind has evolved from a lower and simpler form of life, then why has mankind gone from writing upon stones to laser printers in just the past 3,500 years? Why is it that mankind has only discovered better inventions in the past few thousand years? If mankind had evolved, as evolutionists claim, then why didn’t man discover ink a million years ago? […] Civilization has advanced from utter primitiveness to incredible mind-boggling achievements in just a little over 100 years. So why didn’t mankind discover any of this stuff 100,000,000 years ago, or 100,000 years ago for that matter?

    The truth is that mankind has taken baby-steps since 4,000 B.C., and it took him nearly 6,000 years just to learn to wash his hands to prevent disease!. This is just another undeniable PROOF that evolution is a lie. If mankind had evolved over millions of years, then men would have discovered these inventions a very long time ago.”

    Ow.

  • Chiroptera

    By the way, when I was at the University of Alaska (yes, Don Young is an asshole), the geology department would celebrate the earth’s birthday every 23 October.

    Yes, it was done ironically, mostly has an excuse to eat cake (yes, cake!), but also to use it as a teaching moment to answer the nonsense of creationists; creationism was quite the fad among evangelicals in those days, even more so than now.

  • cottonnero

    As Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman pointed out, this means that the Earth is a Libra.

  • blf

    Well, 6028 billion years isn’t that bad of a guess, albeit it is spuriously precise and c.1500 billion years more than the current estimate.

  • http://www.facebook.com/charlie.cain chuck c

    Kinda weird God created the world right at the beginning of winter.

  • peterh

    @#9:

    Some cultures are still writing on stone. And there are examples of ink/paint/stain that are tens of thousand of years old. Your head-desk material is, unfortunately, fully characteristic of the “Because our magic book says so” school; “There’s no need to worry your pretty head with anything as embarrassing as rational thought.”

  • cptdoom

    IOW Farah’s God is too weak and insignificant to have created a universe as old as ours is, or a planet as old as earth. Why would I worship that god again?

  • peterh

    @#13,

    As I recall, Bishop Ussher had it somewhere near the middle of October.

    At 9:00A.M.

    Greenwich Mean Time, of course.

  • felidae

    Obviously, Farah cannot grasp the difference between biology and geology–maybe he should only concern himself with the difference between the Paulican and Arian heresies

  • markr1957

    You have to wonder about the people who built Gobekle Tepe – how did they do that on a planet that didn’t exist yet, especially when they didn’t exist yet either?

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    Okay, it’s not cooperating, I’m trying to link to Darkmatter’s “were you there” video.

  • kantalope
  • Nemo

    @Dave Maier #9: A lot of creationists, since they think of humanity as “fallen”, like to argue that humans were actually more advanced in the past (particularly, before the Flood) than they are today, despite zero evidence for this even in the Bible. (It does sort of go along with the absurd-but-gradually-decreasing lifespans in Genesis.) So, yeah; not only is that rapid advancement argument new to me, but the whole idea of a creationist even acknowledging that humanity has advanced rather than regressed seems… rare, if not novel.

    Anyway, I think the actual answer to that question would be too complex to satisfy a creationist. I see it as having to do with increasing population densities, specialization, improved communications, standing on the shoulders of giants, and the very idea of progress taking hold in the culture (vs. the Biblical view, see above), among perhaps other factors. Not to mention that modern humans didn’t even exist a million years ago.

  • dingojack

    People get annoyed with me when I raise this issue. They say, ‘Farah, why don’t you stick with politics, instead of science and religion?'”

    Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he hold to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion. [1 Timothy 1.7]”

    St. Augustine of Hippo. De Genesi ad litteram libri duodecim.

    Dingo

  • peterh

    Let it be clear that Augustine wrote the above quotation; this is the actual I Tim. 1:7 to which he refers:

    “Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.”

    While it’s now certain Paul did not write I Timothy, it does contain some shrewd observations on how some will behave.

  • Abdul Alhazred

    Oh those silly Christians.

    OF COURSE this year is the 5775th year of creation.

    Rosh Hashanah 5775 – Happy Birthday!

    😉

  • Phillip Hallam-Baker

    “I take the Bible literally – and seriously. And the Bible strongly affirms a date in the neighborhood of 6,000 years, at least for the age of man, who was created on the sixth day, according to Genesis. If that’s not true, it calls into question the rest of the Bible’s accuracy.”

    So he refuses to consider facts that disprove his theory that the bible is literally true because they might cause him to question its literal truth.

    “He says the law of gravity made it inevitable that the universe would create itself. That strikes me as a leap of faith, especially because he doesn’t and can’t explain who authored the law of gravity.”

    Another example of circular logic. First he completely mis-states Hawking’s position which is not dogmatic at all. on the contrary, Hawking has considered five major grand unification theories over the years and his approach to metaphysics is equally flexible. He is rather careful to give options rather than state one particular theory as fact.

    Problem is that Farah is an inflexible dogmatist and can’t understand the possibility that someone is not. There is a big difference between accepting the possibility of a God and accepting that Wotan is the creator God. Farah thinks that one of the two of them has to be correct so all he needs to do is show Hawking is wrong. Only Hawking is very very clever and knows Farah’s arguments much better than Farah himself. So if anyone is going to win this argument its not going to be Farah.

  • coryat

    ‘ And someday, when He returns to judge His creation, He might just do that.’

    Such a confusing theology. God is imminent, but we should conceptualise Him in terms of Jesus’s return. He knows everything that has, is and will happen, but he still needs to return to judge His creation. Why not give the verdict now?