Catholic Leader Compares Gay People to Nazis

The right wing of the Catholic Church is losing its mind over Pope Francis’ entreaties to the church to treat gay people more like actual human beings, pleas that are so far only rhetorical and not put into action. R.R. Reno, editor of First Things, compares it to the church’s treaty with Adolf Hitler.

I’m sure Pius XII would have denied that signing a Concordat with Hitler’s Germany meant he approved of Nazism. But it conferred legitimacy and dramatically undercut any basis within the Church for resistance. The same goes for the concordat many Catholic institutions are signing with gay marriage. It confers legitimacy on the sexual revolution and undercuts resistance.

I can understand why Pius XII sought the Concordat with Hitler. He hoped to secure a stable basis for the Church’s ministry in Germany. I can also understand why many Catholics (including, perhaps, Pope Francis) want to make their peace with the sexual revolution, putting “divisive” culture-war issues behind them so that they can go on with the work of the Gospel and so forth. Moreover, Hitler in 1933 didn’t look so bad—and respectable gay couples don’t seem a threat to marriage or anything else.

But Pius misjudged, as the horrors that followed made painfully evident. Our age is different. But I fear that when the full implications of the sexual revolution are manifest—calls for marriage equality will lead directly to calls for reproductive equality and a fundamental redefinition of the family—we’ll rue our concordat.

In the United States, 54% of Catholics support same-sex marriage. As it has been for a long time, the institutional church is completely out of touch and often at odds with the views of the people in the pews.

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  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    calls for marriage equality will lead directly to calls for reproductive equality…

    Oh no! That’s the worst kind of equality!

  • raven

    Things, compares it to the church’s treaty with Adolf Hitler.

    Which is still in force in Germany. The Reichskonkordat survived Hitler’s death and WW II and is currently…German law.

    As it has been for a long time, the institutional church is completely out of touch and often at odds with the views of the people in the pews.

    Which doesn’t bother them a bit. The US Catholic church has lost something like 1/3 of its members, going way above 20 million people. They’ve barely noticed it. They aren’t as powerful as they pretend to be any more.

  • rabbitscribe

    Modus: perhaps there’s room for compromise here. You drop your opposition to gay marriage and we’ll drop our insistence that men be allowed to become pregnant. Deal?

  • John Pieret

    calls for marriage equality will lead directly to calls for reproductive equality

    Next thing you know, them nasty Nazi women will be throwing men into concentration death camps … starting with the guys wearing dresses and funny hats.

  • Kevin Kehres

    RR Reno’s tears are delicious!

  • busterggi

    Yet the RCC never did excommunicate Hitler did they, so really they’ve never repudiated him or that agreement Thanks forreminding us.

  • grumpyoldfart

    …the institutional church is completely out of touch…

    And every Sunday hundreds of millions of Catholics will ignore that fact, and chuck their hard-earned cash into the collection bucket. What does the Pope care if his church is out of touch – as long the mugs in the pews are dumb enough to keep him living in luxury.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jason.criley jason the cripple

    Reno here seems to be forgetting that the Catholic church, when it signed this concordat with Hitler was also anti-Semitic, and didn’t see anything wrong with what he was doing at the time, or what he did later.

  • http://festeringscabofrealityblogspot.com fifthdentist

    “Hitler in 1933 didn’t look so bad—and respectable gay couples don’t seem a threat to marriage or anything else.”

    Just wait; those homo-gays will be marching into Czechoslovakia before you know it.

  • illdoittomorrow

    Sorry, guys, this one’s long…

    “I’m sure Pius XII would have denied that signing a Concordat with Hitler’s Germany meant he approved of Nazism.”

    So am I. I think he would have been lying though.

    “I can understand why Pius XII sought the Concordat with Hitler. He hoped to secure a stable basis for the Church’s ministry in Germany.”

    Being co-opted is usually more profitable, and mutually beneficial, than resisting.

    “I can also understand why many Catholics (including, perhaps, Pope Francis) want to make their peace with the sexual revolution, putting “divisive” culture-war issues behind them so that they can go on with the work of the Gospel their lives and so forth.”

    Fixed that for you.

    “Moreover, Hitler in 1933 didn’t look so bad…”

    Yeah, actually, to those paying attention, he did.

    “—and respectable gay couples don’t seem a threat to marriage or anything else.”

    I see what you did there, asswipe. Care to tell us what your definition of “respectable” is? And by the way, there’s never been a threat to straight marriage, “respectable gay couples” or not. Whinging to the contrary is a little rich, considering you guys have problems keeping your hands to yourselves while supposedly being professional virgins and moral crusaders.

    “But Pius misjudged, as the horrors that followed made painfully evident.”

    How? He *was* the Pope, wasn’t he? Infallible and whatnot? And presumably paying attention?

    “Our age is different. But I fear that when the full implications of the sexual revolution are manifest—calls for marriage equality will lead directly to calls for reproductive equality and a fundamental redefinition of the family—we’ll rue our concordat.”

    Fuckin’-A I hope our age is different! Reproductive and marriage equality would be a nice start. Redefining marriage as two consenting adults who want to be in that relationship is the best thing that ever happened to the institution. The old, Catholic (and more broadly, Christian) definition- one man and his chattel- won’t be missed.

  • colnago80

    Re illdoittomorrow @ #190

    Hey, Hister built the Autobahn, set up the Volkswagen company and reduced unemployment a lot more then Roosevelt did.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=730511544 billdaniels

    Hitler wrote Mein Kampf in the 20s. He laid out his program in it. Millions of people bought copies of it. Sure, most of the sales were made after he came to power, but any sane world leader, like the pope thought he was, would have researched Hitler’s ideas and goals. He didn’t. Even after the abuse leading to the destruction of the Jews was widely known, Pius did nothing. He hid a handful of Jews in the Vatican, but if he had come out publically against Hitler it would have changed the situation. He might have been risking his life but, as I was taught in Catholic schools, every Catholic should be ready to die for his/her faith.

    A similar situation is taking place in Africa where many rc leaders have spoken out in favor of horrific anti-gay laws and the pope has done nothing to stop them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=730511544 billdaniels

    I also meant to say that most people found Mein Kampf hard to read and understand. It was the product of a mad man.

  • Pierce R. Butler

    If competence in Catholic history mattered, R.R. Reno would soon be the ex-editor of First Things.

    Though Pius XII (aka Eugenio Pacelli) won the nickname of “Hitler’s Pope”, he was a mere cardinal & Vatican Secretary of State when Pius XI (Ambrogio Damiano Achille Ratti) signed the Reichskonkordat in 1933.

  • raven

    Yet the RCC never did excommunicate Hitler did they, so really they’ve never repudiated him or that agreement.

    They did excommunicate Joseph Goebbels though.

    His crime was marrying a Protestant. The RCC has always been good at determining what is important in this life.

  • raven

    I read Hitler’s Pope a while ago.

    Cornwell, a Cathoiic historian didn’t set out to write that book. He was given access to the Vatican archives and was appalled at what he found.

    Pacelli didn’t much care for the Jews but didn’t seem to be a rabid antisemite. It was easy for him to trade the Jews for the German RCC and that is what he chose to do.

    Hard to say what would have happened if he borrowed a backbone though. Greater Germany was 50% Catholic and they weren’t as excited about the Nazis as the Protestants.

  • http://www.pandasthumb.org Area Man

    I can understand why Pius XII sought the Concordat with Hitler. He hoped to secure a stable basis for the Church’s ministry in Germany.

    Yeah, I can understand it too. But only by assuming that the Church is an amoral institution that is primarily concerned with maintaining its wealth and power.