Bryan Fischer Again Justifies Slaughter of Native Americans

Bryan Fischer has a long history of defending the slaughter of millions of Native Americans by the European settlers of the Americas and he’s done it again. And this time he justifies it by not only saying that they were immoral but that the settlers were justified because God brought them here.

Fischer recounted the Biblical tale of the Amorites, a group that had “lapsed into superstition and paganism and idolatry and sexual immorality and savagery” until they were vanquished by the Israelites. He then paraphrased God as saying, “I’m going to be patient with the Amorite people for 400 years, and if they continue to sin at the rate they’re sinning, every time they sin they’re putting a little more slop in the slop bucket, and if they keep doing that the slop bucket’s going to get full, and I’m going to have to empty out that slop bucket.”

Fischer then used the story to justify the violent expulsion of Native American people from their territory at the hands of white settlers. “This may even be a part of American history, when we think about the moral right for the nation and the peoples that God brought into this land to exercise sovereign control over the land,” he said. “Part of that equation may have to do with the immorality of those nations that were exercising sovereign control over this land at the time.”

Funny how that works, isn’t it? The Native Americans who were already here did not have “sovereign control over this land” but the invaders did. And besides, they were really bad people — worse than those who engaged in mass genocide, apparently — so it was all okay.

httpv://youtu.be/3N0g0fbDKTw

POPULAR AT PATHEOS Nonreligious
What Are Your Thoughts?leave a comment
  • John Pieret

    The Native Americans who were already here did not have “sovereign control over this land” but the invaders did.

    Sure. The invaders not only had iron chariot wheels but slaves to do the dirty work as well!

  • theguy

    As far as Bryan Franco is concerned, “immorality” is stuff like gay sex and women saying “no.” Morality is going on a genocidal tear until you get exactly what you want – of course, as long as you are a right-wing, whitey-tighty hetero male Christian.

  • Artor

    Hey, it worked for the Amelekites & Midianites, why not the Injuns too? said the Bible is behind the times?

  • colnago80

    Shorter Bryan Fischer: God marches with the big battalions.

  • raven

    Fischer didn’t finish the story.

    After the Israelis genocided the Canaanites and surrounding tribes, they themselves were overrun many times.

    They were overrun by the Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, and Romans. The Romans kicked them out of Jerusalem, the Europeans persecuted them for 2,000 years, and the Germans killed half of them.

    Being god’s chosen people is overrated. If god’s mysterious ways hold true, the US is due for some hard times. In fact, whites are on trend to be a minority by 2043. All part of god’s plan, I guess.

  • busterggi

    If Jesus didn’t want native peoples exterminated he wouldn’t have given Europeans guns & smallpox-laced blankets.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    busterggi “If Jesus didn’t want native peoples exterminated he wouldn’t have given Europeans guns & smallpox-laced blankets.”

    Now you’re just being ridiculous! You forgot liquor.

  • Sastra

    He then paraphrased God as saying, “I’m going to be patient with the Amorite people for 400 years, and if they continue to sin at the rate they’re sinning, every time they sin they’re putting a little more slop in the slop bucket, and if they keep doing that the slop bucket’s going to get full, and I’m going to have to empty out that slop bucket.”

    You know, it’s quotes like this which make me very suspicious about the home life of this subset of Christians. Apparently a dad following this passive aggressive line of discipline is just making down-home sense to them. Only instead of a big whuppin’ with a belt — “haha gotcha now you really deserve it!” — we’re talking genocide. Because God is an even bigger abusive parent.

  • zmidponk

    Funny how that works, isn’t it? The Native Americans who were already here did not have “sovereign control over this land” but the invaders did.

    I’m not sure how true it is, but I did hear somewhere that part of the reason the Native Americans got cheated out of their land is that, as far as they were concerned, the idea of owning land was a totally bizarre idea that just didn’t make any sense to them. If this is true, one group of people who might actually agree with this would be the Native Americans of the time – but not quite in the way that Fischer means it.

  • matty1

    @9 I’d heard that was a myth and there was land ownership in many Native American nations. That said I now can’t find a source I’d consider reliable for either side of this argument.

  • abb3w

    @0, Ed:

    The Native Americans who were already here did not have “sovereign control over this land” but the invaders did.

    “Sovereign,” like “love,” means anything you want it to mean; it’s a word in dictionary between “sober” and “sozzled.” – From Heinlein’s The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress.

    Although actually, Ed, it looks like that’s not what Fischer is saying. He’s not denying that “those nations […] were exercising sovereign control over this land at the time”, but rather saying that because of their immorality, God willed that they lose that magical state of “sovereignty”.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Well, thank goodness we arrived, before they had a chance to cause God to do them some real damage. From what I understand, God was tolerant of the natives and their, among other things, appaling lack of belief in Jesus, up until they tried to legalize gay marriage. That was the last straw.

  • http://timgueguen.blogspot.com timgueguen

    Ah yes, the supposedly loving God, he of the omnipotent powers, who sent us the “Prince of Peace,” can only think of one way to solve a problem: Let Group B kill as many member of Group A as needed to stop them ruining the plans of Group B.. He couldn’t do something like make an Indian Paul appear and convert all the “heathens” with his rhetoric.

  • raven

    He couldn’t do something like make an Indian Paul appear and convert all the “heathens” with his rhetoric.

    He did according to the Book of Mormon.

    It didn’t work very well. This is typical of the all powerful god and his plans. They usually involve murder or mass murder and never fix what were after all, as the creator, his mistakes!!!

  • grumpyoldfart

    Don’t worry – the mainstream Christians certainly don’t want to be associated with ideas like that. They will loudly and clearly condemn Fischer for his vile comments.

  • dingojack

    zmidponk (#9) – We went for the convenience of Terra Nullius here too.

    Dingo

  • dingojack

    It’s still no excuse for genocide.

    Dingo

  • dingojack

    Raven (#5) – while agreeing with you, note that:

    Estimated world Jewish population 1939: 16,728,000

    Estimated world Jewish population 1945: 11,000,000 (a drop of 34.24%).

    Largely due to the Nazi regime.

    Accuracy makes a stronger, more irrefutable argument.

    Dingo

    ———

    SOURCE.

  • birgerjohansson

    Dingojack,

    Stalin planned a great purge mostly aimed at the Soviet Jews when he died.

    I suppose we can attribute that to Jahwe.

    Too bad about the other 30-40 million Soviet people being killed under communism, but maybe Jahve was pissed off at them, for not being Lutherans.

  • grumpyoldfart

    Fischer said

    I just suggest this to you for your thinking…

    I think that is code for,

    What I’m saying is complete and utter busllshit, but if we all say it loud enough we just might get away with it.

  • anubisprime

    The Eagles…

    “We satisfy our endless needs and

    justify our bloody deeds,

    in the name of destiny and in the name

    of God”

    And it is a lesson few understood and even fewer learn, xtians lost empathy and remorse many centuries ago, they show little sign of regaining either anytime soon!

  • dhall

    #9 and #10 – You’re both right, and both wrong. If you keep in mind that there were hundreds of tribes in North America alone, and they were a very diverse group, it really depended which part of North America you’re talking about and which tribe. The more settled agriculturalists probably did have some form of land ownership, as that’s pretty basic for sedentary agriculture, while others, even those who practiced forms of agriculture, had seasonal migrations, and dealt only with more vague designations of tribal territory, or the territory of individual bands within the tribe. We’re also dealing with thousands of years of developments, with civilizations coming and going, etc., long before the European incursions. Most people tend to think of the stereotyped Plains tribes, but they’re only a fraction of the whole. It’s also a myth that Native Americans had no alcoholic drinks before the Europeans arrived; they did, but like tobacco and other such substances, those things were reserved for ceremonial use, not recreational abuse. After all, the agave plant is native to the Americas, just as tobacco, corn, etc.