Baptist Minister Calls for Gay Murders, Suicide

Another Baptist minister, this time in New Zealand, is openly calling for gay people — “filthy faggots,” as he calls them — to commit suicide. Failing that, he hopes the government will kill them all. Because we’ll know they are Christians by their love, amirite?

Pastor Logan Robertson of the Westcity Bible Baptist Church in Auckland, New Zealand wrote the email to Jim Marjoram, author of the book ‘It’s Life Jim,’ written to promote a more gay-friendly Christianity, reports The New Zealand Herald

In the email, Robertson wrote, “We are not interested in your filthy lifestyle or book. The Bible says you are vile, strange (queer), reprobate, filth, sodomite, natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed. I pray that you will commit suicide, you filthy child molesting fag.”

After being informed that his email had created outrage on social media, Robertson denied doing anything wrong, telling NZME News Service, “I didn’t tell him to go and commit suicide. I said I prayed that he would. All I did was write what I wrote, and then I prayed about it that he would, and that’s it. There’s nothing more to say.”…

An openly gay reporter from One News attempted to speak with Robertson to allow him to defend the email, but Robertson — who admitted he was familiar with the reporter’s sexual orientation — said he wouldn’t give an interview to a “filthy faggot,” adding that he hoped that reporter would commit suicide too.

In a later interview, Robertson admitted, “I think every single one of them should be put to death. Christians shouldn’t be doing it, I’m not going to do it, it’s the Government’s job to be doing it.”

Oh, of course. Christians shouldn’t kill gay people, that would be wrong. They should just demand that the government do it because that will totally absolve them of responsibility.

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  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    To be fair, it sounds much less threatening in a Kiwi accent.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1017276335 Strewth

    Of course he doesn’t want to do it himself. He needs both hands free: one to wave a bible at the execution, and the other down his pants.

  • U Frood

    He didn’t tell Marjoram to commit suicide, he asked his God to make him commit suicide.

    If God makes you commit suicide, wouldn’t that count as murder, instead?

  • Alverant

    So he’s admitting that the NZ government is not christian but they should obey christian doctrine?

  • cptdoom

    I bet he wouldn’t mind if a “filthy faggot” doctor saved his sorry ass in an emergency. On the plus side, now all of New Zealand knows his views and can treat him with the contempt he has so richly earned.

  • John Pieret

    I didn’t tell him to go and commit suicide. I said I prayed that he would.

    Let’s see … you think prayers are answered … right? If so, you intended to make him dead. If praying wouldn’t make him dead, you aren’t much of a believer, are you? Either way, you are an attempted murderer or a massive hypocrite.

  • Loqi

    Christians killing is bad. Christians trying to get other people to kill is acceptable. That’s why nobody ever gets arrested for hiring (or clumsily trying to hire) an assassin.

  • peterh

    “Either way, [Robertson is] an attempted murderer or a massive hypocrite.”

    How about simply an asshole?

  • anubisprime

    It would appear that the Baptist cult in particular, has issues with homosexuality!

    All the associated jeebus cults have a more or less toxic view of teh ghey…but it seems it is only the Baptists that really lose their dignity, spit the dummy, and desire death and worse for teh ghey in no uncertain terms….

    I am sure that is what jeebus would want, so who am I to criticize!

    The praying for their deaths seems particularly Christian,,,

    He also points out that he regards the government as non-christian.

    “I think every single one of them should be put to death. Christians shouldn’t be doing it, I’m not going to do it, it’s the Government’s job to be doing it.”

    Oooookaaay then!…seems balanced and reasonable, and very Christian!

  • caseloweraz

    What this fellow is calling for would require a government nearly devoid of Christians — from the top officials who set policy down to the people who run the jails and carry out the executions. He’d be happy with that, right?

  • Rob

    As a New Zealander I hang my head in shame that someone in this country can be so openly bigoted, not to mention plain stupid and blind to their cognitive dissonance. I’m not surprised mind you. Just ashamed. And worried. Active christians make up a minority of the population (the biggest group would be none, rather than atheist), but the rise in evangelical churches since the mid ’80s has been marked. This has largely occurred at the expense of the traditional churches. What I have noticed is that the seeds of these evangelical churches were largely people who left their congregations in reaction to liberalisation, and then sought advice and assistance from American evangelists.

    One of the results of that ironically has been to export Ray Comfort back to the USA…

  • Electric Shaman

    The Bible says you are vile, strange (queer), reprobate, filth, sodomite, natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed.

    I don’t remember all that being in Leviticus? Which version of the Bible is he using?

  • fentex

    This is the response, on Facebook, of the Baptist Churches of New Zealand in regards to the matter.

    TLDR; He’s not one of them, it isn’t their position and they deplore his attitude.

    In general in local press he’s being dismissed as mentally unwell – people near him describe him as schizophrenic with actual delusions.

  • fentex

    Also, for a bit of background, his comments came from his response to an email sent to ~400 churches by a man promoting a book about gays in the church – he didn’t seek the man out to insult him but did so in reply to spam, so y’know, he’s got that small justification for being pissed off and wishing someone dead.

  • Michael Heath

    fentex writes:

    This is the response, on Facebook, of the Baptist Churches of New Zealand in regards to the matter.

    TLDR; He’s not one of them, it isn’t their position and they deplore his attitude.

    As long as a church denies equal privileges to gay people, they’re all of the same cloth, using the power of their institution to discriminate against gay adults and abuse children who are congregants and gay.

    This yahoo’s merely a couple of degrees worse in his public rhetoric. Rhetoric I’ve repeatedly heard from those most would think are average ‘salt of the earth type’ “folks”; though it’s becoming increasingly difficult to express such sentiments in public. And where so many of these bigots are thankfully, dying from old age or fortunately, evolving.

    We should never forget the children who have to attend churches who practice bigotry. They are abused. In this case gay children are taught they are either depraved for being gay or upon threat of Hell, must live a sub-human existence. That where their gayness is their ‘cross to bear’.; this position is still the Episcopalian perspective on the conservative side of that church. Nearly all fundies abuse children, especially girls and GBLT kids. It’s sickening where even liberals do not speak out nearly enough on this topic.

  • howardhershey

    He wants the government to kill gays? I think there was one unnamed government that was willing to put them on trains and gas them. They, like some unnamed governments today, started out banning gay organizations and books about sexuality, followed by purging their pure internal ranks of these ‘deviants’. Ooops. Did I just commit a Godwin?

  • Pierce R. Butler

    Don’t worry, howardhershey @ # 16 – sfaik, the Bible does not call for executing Godwinners.

  • frankgturner

    @Rob # 11

    Look at the bright side, he makes evangelicals look like more of assholes in the process. (As if they don’t already given who I have met but I am opened to meeting a kind evangelical too). I mean Ray Comfort would be an overly simple minded bigoted asshole no matter where he was from (and Ken Ham too). The fact that they can’t sell their bullshit in your country and have to come to ours to pitch their crap says something.

    .

    Oh, and I don’t see you as asshole in the process, I have met too many kind Kiwis to think that Robertson’s attitude spoke for you but even if I hadn’t people need to be taken on an individual basis.

    .

    @cptdoom # 5

    Of course he will reap the benefits of something that he protests against. Ray Comfort has demonstrated more than willing interest in taking advantage of medical procedures that have benefited from evolution like vaccination despite protesting against teaching it. Hypocrisy is a necessity among them, look at all the contradictions in the bible itself.

    .

    Though I would challenge Robertson to come to San Francisco and take a bite from a poisonous snake and a bullet to the chest and then start shouting out “filthy faggots” when he gets to the local hospital.

  • dannorth

    “Oh, of course. Christians shouldn’t kill gay people, that would be wrong. They should just demand that the government do it because that will totally absolve them of responsibility. ”

    Actually that’s part of an old tradition in christianity. In the good old days of the Inquisition, the Church never executed heretics, relapses and the like. They turned them over to the secular arm who carried out the sentence.

    A devout catholic colleague pulled that one on me once.

  • fentex

    We should never forget the children who have to attend churches who practice bigotry

    Then you’ll be glad to know the person in question has no church, no congregation and has no one, forced or otherwise, exposed to him preaching.

    He only has a website and speaks for no known churches (with any worshippers). So characterising him as a Baptist minister appears inaccurate.

    Thus the vitriol directed at churches in proxy of him as a supposed representative is misdirected and does not flatter those who rushed to judgement.

  • anubisprime

    The burning times were characterized by that totally corrupt scam…of pretending the church was blameless in what happened to victims.

    I have even seen apologetic’s that even boast it was Christianity which ended the practice…bit like they do in the slavery debate.

    They always and without fail forget conveniently to mention that excellent best selling pamphlet the ‘Malleus Maleficarum’ penned those upstanding Catholic gents Kramer & Sprenger….the wannabe Billy Donohue’s of the era….

    It was a screed that even the RCC eventually distanced itself from after three years and, not just a few, bonfire parties.

    But fear not… the helpful little scribblings were not wasted. they were enthusiastically adopted by the Protestant delusion who relied on its handy little tips for another 300 or so years.

  • billyeager

    Apparently, because he’s not taking his meds, he is suffering from, “Religious delusions of grandeur” and, as a result, is no ‘True Christian’ etc. etc. etc. *vomit*

    Under what circumstances does believing ones-self to be capable of communicating with an omnipotent deity, namely, ‘praying’, *not* qualify as religious delusions of grandeur?

  • dingojack

    billyeager – when such behaviours are not intrusive in their own lives or the lives of others.

    Religiosity can be a symptom of mental illness, but it is not inevitably so. People can be religious but not mentally ill; people can be mentally ill but not religious. This whole ‘religious = mentally ill’ meme is insulting to both, and, quite frankly, lazy thinking, IMHO.

    Dingo.

  • billyeager

    when such behaviours are not intrusive in their own lives or the lives of others. . . .People can be religious but not mentally ill

    I understand the point you are making but I respectfully disagree. When one has been conditioned to accept a definition of reality which is contradicted by every single thing we rationally understand about reality and hinges *entirely* on persistently maintaining a state of intellectual dishonesty, the question has to be asked as to the unhealthy degree of stress that this near-constant thought-avoidant state induces. Besides, when is ‘prayer’ *not* intrusive into one’s own life if everyday decisions are coloured even slightly by belief that one is being observed by an omnipotent deity at all times?

    We may not routinely consider theism to be a sign of mental illness, but surely that is more to do with normalisation and cultural/social acceptance of these dysfunctional belief systems than anything else. In a 100% atheist population, one person suddenly declaring their belief in an omnipotent being watching over them whom can be communicated with telepathically by way of special incantations and symbolism, would be roundly recognised as having succumbed to a mentally ill state of mind.

    Several billion people all believing same doesn’t make it any less of a definable mental illness.

  • anubisprime

    Might the whole fanatical religious meme not be a function of conditioning and impressing from birth which leads to a mental disability in later life to relate to reality.

    It certainly seems to cripple minds and therefore attitudes which at times resembles a form of mental infirmity…so although they are not per se mentally ill they are prone to behavior in speech, mental process and action that resembles DSM-5 prognosis.

    Fact remains that the perceived malady is, and continues to be, self inflicted although the extra component of group delusion reinforces the meme and encourages victims as to the veracity of their delusion.

    Whatever it more often then not becomes anti-social to others outside the chosen hysteria.

    That in itself requires intervention…but of course such action infringes ‘human rights’, ‘Respect’ ,and ‘Freedom of speech’…tricky and a point that all major and minor religions hide behind….jus sayin’

  • anubisprime

    billyeager @ 24…& @25

    Cross posts that basically make the same points…although yours is far more cogent.

  • dingojack

    Billy, are all people who drink alcoholics? Clearly not. It’s when their drinking becomes intrusive into their lives (and the lives of those around them) that it becomes a problem.

    What religious people believe is none of your business, unless that behaviour impacts you, or the person themselves.

    The problem here is you’re trying to shoehorn a group into a label under which they will not fit, and insulting both groups.

    Dingo

  • billyeager

    are all people who drink alcoholics? Clearly not.

    No, but all people who chronically ingest alcohol are.

  • dingojack

    Billy – well then if you think about it kind of answers your question: “Under what circumstances does believing ones-self to be capable of communicating with an omnipotent deity, namely, ‘praying’, *not* qualify as religious delusions of grandeur?”

    Dingo

  • NitricAcid

    Billy#28- So if I regularly have a glass of wine with my dinner, I’m an alcoholic? I doubt it.

  • billyeager

    @Dingo

    That question is rhetorical.

    Believing ones-self to be capable of communicating with an omnipotent being, if a transient notion, soon dismissed with rational mind and critical thought, would likely be viewed by the person concerned as symptomatic of a psychiatric disorder.

    Believing ones-self to be capable of communicating with an omnipotent being, if held in a near-constant persistent state, is, however, considered perfectly sane and rational to the individual concerned, as well as wider society through normalisation of such.

    @NitricAcid

    That is not at all what I am saying. I suggest you learn the difference between habitual alcohol consumption, such as that which you are proposing with the typical, “I only have a glass of wine with my dinner. I’m not an alcoholic”, versus the chronic alcoholic who drinks regularly and persistently every day, akin to our theists who do not simply maintain their belief on occasion but, rather, in a near-constant state.

  • dingojack

    “… would likely be viewed by the person concerned,wrongly, as symptomatic of a psychiatric disorder.” FIFY.

    Religious persons can be mentally ill, or not; mentally ill persons can be religious, or not. Religious =/= mentally ill.

    Dingo

  • billyeager

    @dingo

    You aren’t actually making an argument at this point, you are simply rewriting what I am asserting, as though your version is correct by default.

    If a person is ordinarily rational and an intellectualised atheist, namely, they understand the claims being made by theists but reject them as baseless, a brief period of suddenly discarding their critical thinking and believing themselves to actually be communicating with an omnipotent deity, only for this to pass as they return to their prior intellectualised rational position, understanding that there was no good reason for them to have believed such a thing, why would this not, according to you, be qualified as having experienced an episode of psychiatric disorder?

  • dingojack

    Billy — since you seem to having difficulty with the first step, I have to keep going over it. Once you’ve grasped the basics we can move on.

    Dingo