Those Who Said No to Torture

Here’s a video that shows some of the many members of the military, FBI and CIA who objected to the use of torture in interrogations. Some of them resigned their commissions, others were punished for their objections. But they did the right thing regardless of the consequences. They included Col. Morris Davis, the lead prosecutor at the military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay; Lt. Col. David Frakt of the Air Force JAG corps; Lt. Col. Darrel Vandeveld, also a Gitmo prosecutor; Alberto Mora, former general counsel for the U.S. Navy; and FBI interrogator Ali Soufan.

httpv://youtu.be/KSGW51K3c6I

And here’s a longer one specifically about Col. Davis, who resigned his commission rather than use evidence obtained under torture at the military tribunals at Gitmo.

httpv://youtu.be/5xIXELRYO8E

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  • colnago80

    Hey, but former Vice-President Cheney says he would do it again if he had it to do over. Time for an indictment at the Hague.

  • dingojack

    Dick would sign a paper to make someone torture someone else, if he had to do it over. The banality of evil, anyone?

    Dingo

  • colnago80

    Re dingojack @ #2

    OT but why was this asshole walking around loose? From the attached article, he apparently had 3 felony charges pending prior to this latest incident.

    http://goo.gl/z3neit

  • dingojack

    No evidence to link him to this… it’s an unconfirmed rumour on SMH online.

    Dingo

  • Mr Ed

    Colnago80: Time for an indictment at the Hague.

    I realize no one wants to poke the US but I wish that secret arrest warrants would be issued by the Hague so next time one of the Bush gang travels abroad they might have to answer for what was done.

  • dingojack

    BTW – the siege is over.

    Dingo

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    I repeat: torture is a US crime. No need to go to the hague; any district attorney or us attorney could file an indictment tomorrow. They just … Aren’t. Note to texans: torture is a capital crime in the US if the victim dies. No statute of limitations.

    US law (18 USC 2441) clearly criminalizes torture as a capital offense, ditto war crimes (18 USC 113c). The US statute on war crimes calls out specific line items in international law, making them US law.

    Read ’em. They are crystal clear.

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    @mr ed – no need for secret indictments. We just need a pissed off US Attorney. Makes me want to run for DA in my county.

  • dingojack

    See here for 18 USC 113c.

    Dingo

  • A Masked Avenger

    Note that the system drives out anyone with morals. Leaving behind those without morals to do pretty much what they want. Bug? Or feature? (…they asked rhetorically…)

  • D. C. Sessions

    Marcus, wouldn’t it be delicious if one of President Cruz’ district attorneys prosecutes Obama, Holder, and others of the Obama Administration for their parts is shielding torturers?

  • doublereed

    Saying no to torture??? That’s not how we work in ‘Murika! Such traitors!!1!!1

  • colnago80

    Re dingojack @ #4

    It appears to be pretty well confirmed that Haron Monis is the perp in the Sydney hostage situation. It appears that his chips were cashed in during the assault by the Sydney cops.

  • caseloweraz
  • dingojack

    No confirmation of either from NSW Police. (But pffft, what would they know?)

    Dingo

  • dingojack

    For more info on the siege in Sydney see here.

    Dingo

  • colnago80

    Re dingojack @ #16

    Sounds like the cops have some explaining to do. It appears that the collateral damage was considerable, 2 hostages dead and 4 others wounded. Of course, we don’t know if they were killed/wounded by the perp or got caught in the crossfire and were victims of the cops. The Monday morning quarterbacking will fill many column inches in the local newspapers and other media.

  • Michael Heath

    caseloweraz writes:

    I think I’m repeating myself here, but it bears repeating: In 1968 the U.S. Army court-martialed and convicted one of its service members for waterboarding a North Vietnamese soldier.

    And in the early-2000s waterboarding someone garnered a raise in pay.

  • dingojack

    Updated press release: here (6:14pm Michigan time).

    Dingo

  • jws1

    Ed: “But they did the right thing regardless of consequences.”

    Shhhh!!! The Utilitarians will hear you. They still haven’t confronted the idea that concern with consequences is itself an intention.