Messianic Rabbi Uses Hanukkah to Blather Ignorantly

The Worldnetdaily has an interview with Jonathan Cahn, their favorite messianic “rabbi” (read: Christian preacher) and end-times babbler, about Hannukah. He uses the opportunity to spout all manner of ignorant nonsense about the evils of The Gay, separation of church and state and more. Let’s start with this amusing bit of stupid:

The Maccabees, after their final victory, cleansed and rededicated the temple and restored biblical Judaism.

There is no such thing as “biblical Judaism.” The Bible is a Christian book, not a Jewish one, and it did not exist at the time of the Maccabees.

He sees America as morphing into a replica of Europe, which is a post-Christian society.

“What happened in Europe is happening here, that a nation that existed only because of God is now changing and trying to eradicate God,” Cahn said.

The New York Times used to post the summation of all the major Sunday sermons in the city, said Cahn, who leads a Messianic Jewish congregation in New Jersey and grew up reading the Times.

“Now, when it speaks of Christianity, it’s almost as if it’s a foreign thing. Because it’s a pagan culture now,” he said. “Hanukkah occurred during pre-Christian times. Now we’re dealing with post Christian. Of the two, post-Christian culture is far worse. It’s the difference between someone who has never heard the gospel and someone who has turned against the gospel.

“A pre-Christian society will produce someone like an Alexander the Great or a Caesar,” Cahn said. “A post-Christian society will produce a Hitler or a Stalin, and the antichrist.”

And how about the Christian societies of Europe from the 4th century to the 18th century? Not a single one of them had anything like religious freedom. They were brutal, theocratic monarchies and dictatorships, from the Roman Catholic nations and their constant pogroms against Jews to Calvin’s Protestant theocracy of Geneva to the Puritan brutality of the Plymouth Bay Colony in what is now America.

The spirit of antichrist seeks to remove God from every corner of the culture. The Bible and prayer were removed from schools in 1960s.

No they weren’t. What was removed was government-coerced prayer and Bible reading. It’s always incredible to hear those who advocate “smaller government” then turn around and demand that the government force school children to recite government-composed prayers and read religious texts. You can bet that if it were the Quran they were being forced to read, their tune would change. As usual, “religious freedom” really means “Christian hegemony.”

The Ten Commandments were later removed from courthouses, a process that continues. “Hate laws” have been passed in many cities making it a crime to say anything that paints homosexuality in a negative light.

Yeah, funny how all these laws supposedly exist and yet not a single person has ever been arrested for saying “anything that paints homosexuality in a negative light.” And bigots like Cahn and the people at the Worldnetdaily continue to spew anti-gay hatred every single day without being arrested. It’s almost like they’re full of shit or something.

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  • John Pieret

    “Hate laws” have been passed in many cities making it a crime to say anything that paints homosexuality in a negative light.

    Why haven’t you called the ACLU? They’d be all over any such laws in a second. Oh, wait a minute! … there aren’t any such laws, are there?

  • raven

    He sees America as morphing into a replica of Europe, which is a post-Christian society.

    This is more or less true. Barna, the fundie pollster gives the USA as 37% post-xians. The number of Nones is going up ca. 1% a year.

    Because it’s a pagan culture now

    As I Pagan, I wish. And should know. It’s not. A lot of Pagans keep their heads down because they get attacked and discriminated against by xians.

    Xians hate Pagans. They spent 2,000 years eradicating them any way they could including mass murders. And guess what? Now, they are back.

    “What happened in Europe is happening here, that a nation that existed only because of God is now changing and trying to eradicate God,”

    The USA doesn’t exist because of god. It has to do with with lots of money, ships, people, technology, the odd genocide of the natives, and the key ingredient. Guns. Firearms using gunpowder and bullets proved to be superior to the original inhabitants bows and arrows.

    It’s mostly gibberish without a hint of originality. Just another series of tribal barks.

  • macallan

    And how about the Christian societies of Europe from the 4th century to the 18th century? Not a single one of them had anything like religious freedom.

    Some more, some less. While Spain and France were cranking the prosecution up to eleven, others did the opposite.

    Examples:

    * the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth ( or why do you think so many jews have west-slavic names? )

    * Brandenburg-Prussia since Frederick II.

  • http://www.gregory-gadow.net Gregory in Seattle

    Ah, Hannukah. The annual remembrance of when one group of people rose up in arms against another group of people who were forcing their religion and culture on the first group.

  • thebookofdave

    He sees America as morphing into a replica of Europe, which is a post-Christian society

    So a society becomes post-Christian at the point where the official establishment church, having lived out its career of martial adventurism, finally settles down to retire on the public dole? Sounds more like my conception of God’s Kingdom returning in its glory. I would almost look forward to that, if only for the socialized health care.

  • otrame

    Raven @2

    and the key ingredient. Guns.

    Actually, no. The key ingredient was the fact that Europeans had been living in cities for several thousand years longer than Native Americans had. The reason that that is important is that if you want to grow epidemic disease, you need people in dense populations + time.

    The advantage the Europeans had was not guns. The guns from those days were not all that more useful for killing people than arrows. Yes, those guns could kill at a distance greater than you are likely to kill with a bow, but they had to be reloaded and they were finicky to operate–a technology still in its infancy. They did not work well (or at all) in the rain. They were heavy and expensive and so on. (BTW, it is true that bow don’t work all that well in the rain, but they still work for a while after they get wet )

    The advantage that the Europeans had was germs. The epidemic diseases, including so-called “childhood diseases” (which are just epidemic diseases that have adapted to living in a human population that has adapted to living with the disease), devastated the Native American populations, often before the victims ever saw a European.

    When La Salle went down the Mississippi, he described the Native American populations there, small cities, many, many towns, etc. Thriving farming communities everywhere. When the next European went down the river, a few years later, he decided that La Salle had been lying because there was hardly anyone there.

    The Europeans won the land because most of the original owners were already dead and the remainder were suffering from the massive cultural shock of the epidemics. Consider. If the Chinese had decided to conquer Europe in the 14th century, much the same thing would have happened. Even without deliberate conquest, the diseases that were transferred during the new contacts with Asia devastated Europe. Fully a third of Europe died during the initial epidemic of the plague.

  • syskill

    I agree with the main point of the article, but I need to nit-pick you because this is flat-out ignorant:

    There is no such thing as “biblical Judaism.” The Bible is a Christian book, not a Jewish one, and it did not exist at the time of the Maccabees.

    This is false to fact. Fragments of the Old Testament have been found among the Dead Sea scrolls, dating back to the 2nd century BCE or earlier. The Septuagint (a translation of the Bible into Common Greek) was completed in the late 2nd century, and work on it was thought to have begun in the 3rd century (still BCE).

    Really, I can’t imagine how you think Christianity came about if the Jewish Bible didn’t predate it. It’s like saying that the European Enlightment didn’t exist, and that Locke’s Essay Concerning Human Understanding is an American document.

  • Michael Heath

    Rabbi Jonathan Cahn:

    The Maccabees, after their final victory, cleansed and rededicated the temple and restored biblical Judaism.

    Ed responds:

    There is no such thing as “biblical Judaism.” The Bible is a Christian book, not a Jewish one, and it did not exist at the time of the Maccabees.

    syskill responds to what Ed writes above:

    This is false to fact. Fragments of the Old Testament have been found among the Dead Sea scrolls, dating back to the 2nd century BCE or earlier. The Septuagint (a translation of the Bible into Common Greek) was completed in the late 2nd century, and work on it was thought to have begun in the 3rd century (still BCE).

    Ed wasn’t as precise as he should have been, but he’s not falling for the Judeo-Christian lie told by the Rabbi here to the credulous conservative Christian sheeple, whereas you do fall for it. The Rabbi’s defectively conflating the Hebrew Bible with the [Christian] Bible since he’s a political ally of conservative Christians. The Rabbi wants the sheeple to think it’s one and the same book when in fact, it is not; there’s no Jesus the Messiah or New Testament in the Hebrew Bible since it was written prior to Jesus supposedly coming on the scene centuries later.

  • Matzo Ball Soup

    Ed’s sentence, as it’s precisely worded, makes it sound a bit like there’s no such thing as the Torah and the entirety of what Christians call “the Bible” is exclusively Christian. Obviously that’s not what he meant. What’s notable is that “biblical Judaism” is not a phrase that any actual Jew would ever use. (And that, ladies and gentlemen, is what we call a sibboleth shibboleth. :) )

  • sanford

    Some one left this response. I am not qualified to answer

    Read John 4:21Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. 22You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. 24God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

    Now tell me that there was not “biblical Judaism” at Christ’s time. Indeed at his time the Jews practiced worship of God as written in the Hebrew scriptures (many like today also practiced with addition of the Talmud and decisions of the Rabbis just like todays Teachers which a true Christian or Spiritual Jew should not support). Christ was chiding this Samaritan woman because they like the Christians of today are syncretic, combining many forms of religion, humanism, paganism etc in to the true worship of God. This true worship was defined by the Hebrew scriptures only at that time for the Greek Scriptures had not yet been written.

    Paul also wrote about syncretism and the worship of God in a discussion he had with the Athenians when he encountered an alter to “the unknown God”, This God he proclaimed to them as the Father – the creator through the Word (whom we know as the pre-incarnate Christ or the Son)- Acts 17. So please try and tell us now that there was no such thing as Biblical Judaism, which the first century church adopted along with of-course the worship of Christ as God. Of course there is also the scripture about one is a Jew only if he is one inwardly.

    If there was no biblical Judaism then there would have not been a community of faithful believers for our Messiah to be born in to. Of course God does accomplish his purposes, so if you do not seek his will and abide in him then he will replace you and find someone who will do his will. Just as in the account of Esther, if she was not willing God could have raised up salvation from a different source.