Giuliani’s Inane and Appalling Pandering

Rudy Giuliani has joined the head of the police union in blaming those who criticize the police for anything at all for the killing of two NYPD cops. Only he has dishonestly decided, along with many others on the right, to blame Obama for it as well.

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani attributed the execution-style assassination of two police officers on Saturday afternoon to the protests that broke out across the city following a grand jury’s failure to indict a police officer for killing Eric Garner.

“We’ve had four months of propaganda starting with the president that everybody should hate the police,” Giuliani said during an appearance on Fox News on Sunday. “The protests are being embraced, the protests are being encouraged. The protests, even the ones that don’t lead to violence, a lot of them lead to violence, all of them lead to a conclusion. The police are bad, the police are racist. That is completely wrong.”

Gee Rudy, could you quote something Obama has said that tells people that “everyone should hate the police”? Just one thing. Go ahead, we’ll wait. Oh, you can’t? Of course you can’t. Because you’re lying and you know it. But I’m glad we have you on record on this. So now every time a right wing anti-government extremist kills a cop — hey, I noticed you didn’t say a word about all those cases in the last year or so around the country — we can blame conservatives for it, right? And when someone kills an abortion doctor, we can blame conservatives for calling them baby killers and talking about genocide, right? And when someone beats up or kills a gay person, we can blame conservatives for constantly calling them pedophiles and saying they’re trying to destroy the country by getting married, right? You’re cool with that, right?

As for police officers, does it really need to be said that one can be — any reasonable person is — against both police misconduct and brutality AND against the killing of police officers? But no, the world must be absolutely pure black and white for these people. You’re either with the cops 100% of the time or you want to gun them all down, nothing in between. Such is American political discourse.

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  • John Pieret

    Gee Rudy, could you quote something Obama has said that tells people that “everyone should hate the police”? Just one thing. Go ahead, we’ll wait.

    But, Ed, anyone who criticizes the police must hate them and want them dead … just like anyone who criticizes wingnut Christians as homophobic bigots wants to start a genocide of them. It is only (wingnut) logical. It doesn’t work the other way, though. Wingnuts can quote Leviticus and Romans about how gays deserve death but they are just speaking the truth, not out to actually kill them.

  • busterggi

    This is the new, improved more crazy Rudy – the one who wants another run at the presidency.

    As I recall a lot of first responders died in something called 9/11 when he was mayor because they didn’t have proper communication & organization. So by his logic their blood is on his hands.

  • A Masked Avenger

    Then Rudy barked, “Nine-eleven!” and the crowd had a simultaneous orgasm. Giuliani 2016!

  • http://www.aquaticape.org anthrosciguy

    I was reminded the other day that Rudy’s mayoral candidacy was helped by a massive police riot. I think he’s hoping this time around it will propel him to the presidency.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    But no, the world must be absolutely pure black and white for these people.

    Yes, but probably not in the way you meant.

  • grumpyoldfart

    People like him say things like that because they know a large proportion of the population will accept every word as gospel truth. (He must be so pleased with the US education system.)

  • scienceavenger

    Perhaps my vision is clouded by my political POV and my nonNYness, but on this issue I find Giuliani comes across as a Grade A clueless racist asshole. On one news show he implied that blacks shouldn’t be concerned about the cop killings of blacks because the civilian black-on-black murder rate is so high, as if one has anything to do with the other.

  • A Masked Avenger

    On one news show he implied that blacks shouldn’t be concerned about the cop killings of blacks because the civilian black-on-black murder rate is so high, as if one has anything to do with the other.

    If you don’t look below the surface, and treat quality of life for PoC as an actuarial problem, then his reasoning is clear: you should pick the biggest issue affecting quality of life, and tackle it first. Statistically, “murdered by a cop” is a smaller cause of death than “murdered by a person of color.” So your first instinct is to try and lower the latter murder rate first, since (a) it’s easier to shift a big number than a smaller one, and (b) the potential benefit is larger.

    The problem of course is that if you really give a damn about improving life for people of color, you’ll then drill down into that statistic to look for ways to address it, and you’ll find out that most black people live in black neighborhoods, and have black families, and that most crimes are committed by someone you know, and most of the rest are committed by someone from the same neighborhood. You then have a choice: dismiss “black on black crime” as mostly a statistical artifact, or continue drilling down and conclude that the solution is to thoroughly integrate neighborhoods (and families). That raises secondary questions about cultural assimilation, etc., of course, which is beyond the scope of this comment.

    Point is that the question Giuliani asks is a legitimate first question. What gives him away as a racist asshole is that he has obviously made no effort to find the answer to that question. If he actually gave a damn about black people, he would at least have done that much.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    In addition to Rudy’s bigoted nonsense, I’m now told there is a video of protesters in DC chanting one thing, and a Fox affiliate in Baltimore edited that video to make it sound like they were chanting a call for the killing of cops. There is clearly a concerted effort afoot both to incite hatred of blacks, and to discredit everyone who opposes police misconduct. It’s not just Giuliani — the entire Stormfront crowd are taking this opportunity to go mainstream.

  • A Masked Avenger

    I’m now told there is a video of protesters in DC chanting one thing, and a Fox affiliate in Baltimore edited that video to make it sound like they were chanting a call for the killing of cops.

    Here you go: http://gawker.com/slimy-baltimore-fox-affiliate-caught-faking-kill-a-cop-1674040381

  • Mobius

    Since Giuliani is criticizing the protestors, he clearly wants the protestors dead. Isn’t that what he is saying?

    Of course, logical consistency doesn’t seem to be a strong suit with so many conservatives.

  • http://www.pandasthumb.org Area Man

    Gee Rudy, could you quote something Obama has said that tells people that “everyone should hate the police”? Just one thing. Go ahead, we’ll wait.

    Now let’s be fair. He didn’t mean that Obama literally said that, it was merely a paraphrase of something else that Obama did not say. Or it’s an interpretation of what Obama did say, even though he was saying the opposite. And whatever Obama doesn’t say means that his lack of denunciation equals his consent to it, and what he does say is an obvious attempt to cover his tracks. Either way, Giuliani and the rest of the right-wing know exactly what Obama is thinking, and so actual words and whatnot are irrelevant. It’s all understood as part of the Obama-monster that they’ve constructed, and as long as they believe it, the media will treat it as a valid viewpoint and not an act of dishonesty.

    Now, if someone quotes the actual words of a Republican, it’s a very different story. Using the plain meaning of the words is unfair if there is any other possible interpretation, however implausible, and especially if the Republican denies that he meant what he said, and then goes on to explain that what he really meant is essentially the same thing. And if all else fails, it was “Not Intended to be a Factual Statement”, so the entire episode should be ignored. Except of course as an example of anti-Republican media bias.

  • dan4

    “And when someone calls an abortion doctor, we can blame conservatives for talking about for it, right?”

    Uh, this might not be the best example to challenge Giuliani’s statements with, considering that there WERE a lot of liberals who basically said that O’Reilly’s “Tiller the baby killer” rhetoric was responsible for the latter individual’s murder at the hands of some nut.

  • Steven

    Let’s be honest here. A lot of people on our side are just as willing to blame an entire movement when a violent madman on the right does something horrible. It’s always the same. One side is saying that their heated rhetoric is in no way at all to blame for the violence when the madman is on their side, but if the madman comes from the other side they take the opposite position.

  • scienceavenger

    Let’s be honest here. A lot of people on our side are just as willing to blame an entire movement when a violent madman on the right does something horrible. It’s always the same.

    Oh, so there was widespread concemnation of Christianity when an abortion doctor was shot by a Christian? Or widespread condemnationof whites? Were there any left-wing politicians on TV asking why white people were so upset of the injustice inflicted on them by others when they inflict so much on themselves?

    No, it’s not the same. Not by a long shot.