The Church/State Issue That Wasn’t

Ray Comfort is making a big deal out of a flash mob singing Amazing Grace here in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Bizarrely, he called it “A Mixing of Church and State that Atheists Can’t Stop.” But it had nothing whatsoever to do with church and state:

A Mixing of Church and State that Atheists Can’t Stop

When one lady asked for volunteers to join her at a Rivertown Mall in Grandville, Michigan, to sing Amazing Grace, 250 people responded with RSVPs, and over one thousand showed up at the mall.

What makes this different from other “flash mobs” is that the lyrics are given out in a high-quality tract form (so that anyone can join in with the singing) which gets the gospel into their hands.

Fortunately the singing at the Rivertown Mall was video-taped, and it brought tears to my eyes. In the clip you can see people holding the tracts as they sing, and at the beginning security guards are walking through the crowd not knowing who to stop.

I believe that the average American loves the original message of Christmas, and they’re tired of whining atheists threatening to sue those who display nativity scenes, etc., in public places. So here is one way they can proclaim their faith and no one can stop them.

These song bursts are taking place throughout the nation. May someone do this on Capitol Hill and state properties all over the country and bring a bit of joy to the nation.

As usual, Captain Dumbass is confused. Riverside Mall is privately owned. And guess what? They could have stopped it if they wanted to. It’s their property. It’s a “public place” only in the sense that the public is welcome there, not that it belongs to the public or is government property. That’s an entirely different situation, legally. But Banana Man is never concerned about pesky little things like facts and distinctions. If he were, he couldn’t preach the bullshit he preaches.

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  • Reginald Selkirk

    What makes this different from other “flash mobs” is that the lyrics are given out in a high-quality tract form (so that anyone can join in with the singing) which gets the gospel into their hands.

    Song lyrics = Gospel. Isn’t that blasphemy?

  • Mark Main

    Comfort is a habitual liar in everything he does. He’s also a moron that makes no attempt to understand any of the things he criticizes. Who can take a guy seriously who thought he was being criticized when someone called him a bibliophile?

  • Scr… Archivist

    “Fortunately the singing at the Rivertown Mall was video-taped…”

    People still use videotape?

    Hey, Ray, the Eighties called. They want their verbs back.

  • matty1

    I’d have thought that even if it was a government owned site a flash mob wouldn’t count as a church state issue. Assuming of course the public were normally allowed to wander around and do things like singing in groups. Of course if they allowed Amazing Grace but threw people out for singing anything non Christian that would be a problem. Oh and io Saturnalia

  • caseloweraz

    Mark Main: Who can take a guy seriously who thought he was being criticized when someone called him a bibliophile?

    A great many people, apparently, judging by how long Comfort has had access to a podium.

  • Larry

    Why, as an atheist, would I want to stop people from singing? Had I been there, I probably would have joined in. AG is a beautiful tune and singing with a group is fun.

  • Al Dente

    Here’s a video of a flash mob singing the Hallelujah Chorus at a mall. No constitutional amendments were violated in the making of this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXh7JR9oKVE

  • Reginald Selkirk

    Why, as an atheist, would I want to stop people from singing?

    Indeed. When the local carolers show up at my front door, I refuse to open it and turn off the lights, but I do not object to their going to other houses.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    caseloweraz “A great many people, apparently, judging by how long Comfort has had access to a podium.”

    To be fair, he carries one with him.

  • cry4turtles

    With numbers like that, guaranteed there were a few atheist carolers.

  • grumpyoldfart

    That was probably one of the most pathetic flash mobs I have ever seen. The participants turned up long before the performance started and then stood around the balcony railing giving everyone advance warning that something was about to happen. Then, at the end, they remained where they were and applauded themselves! Even worse their performance was totally uncoordinated. Most of them didn’t know the words and those that did know the words couldn’t keep time with the music!

    A proper flash mob arrives out of nowhere, puts on a well-rehearsed performance, and then disappears as quickly as they arrived.

  • zmidponk

    I love how Comfort says that ‘at the beginning security guards are walking through the crowd not knowing who to stop’, as if the folk singing were standing up to the jackbooted thugs there. To me, it looked more like the security guards were simply speaking to a couple of people as they were patrolling around, which, in my experience, is nothing at all unusual, and the closest either of them got to ‘trying to stop someone’ is that one appeared to ask one woman to step to the side slightly so there was a path through for anyone who wanted to get by.

  • dingojack

    Ah Ken, wasn’t this written by one of those, supposedly non-existent, Christian slavers?

    Dingo

  • http://florilegia.wordpress.com Ibis3, These verbal jackboots were made for walking

    @Al Dente That mall was in Ontario, so I’m pretty sure you’re right.

  • thebookofdave

    Dear Bananaman: There is no state in the mall. The mall is church, the “flash mob” is a choir, and the security guards are ushers. If you are interested in worshiping with us, don’t forget to attend our next service: the annual Rivertown Mall annual holiday clearance sale, beginning at 9:00 am tomorrow. The topic of the sermon will be 50% off of select merchandise!

  • http://www.facebook.com/josef.mulroney Josef Mulroney

    “People still use videotape?”

    yes, they are.