Turkish Pres. Declares Birth Control Treason

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan was a witness at a wedding in his country and used the occasion to declare that birth control is treason against the state. I had no idea Erdogan was Catholic! Here’s what he had to say:

The father-of-four is reported by Turkish news organisation Radikal to have said: “One or two children is not enough. To make our nation stronger we need a more dynamic and younger population.

“We need this to take Turkey above the level of modern civilisations. In this country opponents have been engaged in the treason of birth control for years and sought to dry up our generation.”

Women are having children later, between 25-29 years of age compared to 20-24, however 26 per cent of the population is below the age of 15 and 50 per cent under the age of 30, according to recent research by Hacettepe University.

“One (child) means loneliness, two means rivalry, three means balance and four means abundance,” Erdoğan added.

The comments follow those he made last month when he said women should hold the “station of motherhood” and went on to say that “you cannot explain this to feminists because they don’t accept the concept of motherhood. They have no such concerns.”

Yeah, those damn feminists just don’t understand that men know what is best for them and that their job in life is just to do what they’re told or else they’re traitors. What an asshole.

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  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    …Tayyip Erdogan…

    Also a Game of Thrones character. He was the awful guy in that family that’s always scheming to get or hold on to power.

  • John Pieret

    “One (child) means loneliness, two means rivalry, three means balance and four means abundance,” Erdoğan added.

    Funny how the number of children he has is just the perfect number. Why isn’t 6 or 8 abundance too? And if your wife is a good non-traitor Islamic woman, why didn’t she have more children? Was there a little artificial help there by any chance?

  • illdoittomorrow

    I’m surprised he stopped at four. Usually for regressives like him the correct number of kids is n+1.

  • raven

    To make our nation stronger we need a more dynamic and younger population.

    1. This is an astonishingly stupid statement. And factually wrong. All the leading nations of the world, USA, Russia, Japan, China, Western Europe, parts of Oceania, all have low birth rates!!!.

    2. The countries with high birth rates are mostly the bottom of the third world. It’s a sign of poverty and lack of developmenbt.

  • mkoormtbaalt

    Didn’t he rise to power a decade ago on a platform of reform? What happened to him?

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    Didn’t he rise to power a decade ago on a platform of reform? What happened to him?

    Power corrupts.

    Google for “erdogan mansion” if you really want to puke. He’s built his own fortified Versailles. Except his is 5 times larger than Versailles.

    And this is a US “ally”; I am betting the CIA likes him because … reasons.

  • dingojack

    Interestingly, there’s a fascinating TED talk about how the birth-rate declines and then incomes increase. Birth control means future prosperity (and lower religiosity, which is probably what worrying him).*

    Dingo

    ———

    * you know who else worried about falling birth-rates? Hitler!

    See Mutterkreuz or more properly Ehrenkreuz der Deutschen Mutter.

  • Reginald Selkirk

    The Islamic Sex Cult Supporting Turkey’s Prime Minister

    March 2014

    Harun Yahya is said to be the messianic leader of an apocalyptic Islamic sex cult. He’s also the owner of a Turkish television station called A9, and the host of his own religious talk show, which just might make your eyeballs pop out of your skull. The entire set and everyone on it glow like irradiated ultraviolet rays. Five amazing looking women usually co-host the show, wearing things like false rainbow eyelashes, wigs, and diamond-studded Versace bondage gear. The backdrop is a blinding fake lavender cityscape. Conversations often focus on how materialism and Darwinism are dead, how to recognize the face of a real Muslim, and how Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan — with whom the host is rumored to enjoy friendly relations — is “one of the important figures for the End Times”.

    Bolding added by me.

    Harun Yahya is also the wacko behind the Atlas of Creation.

  • raven

    Following Erdgogan’s orders would eventually be a Malthusian disaster.

    1. To be sure, these almost never happen. IMO, Malthus wasn’t wrong completely, just didn’t factor in a few additional facts.

    2. If you look, what usually happens is, nations walk up to the Malthusian cliff, look down, and then…decide not to jump. It’s a rare example of societies with planning horizons of more than 2 years.

    3. Egypt may be one of the exceptions. 80 million people and growing. Imports 40% of their food. The Nile no longer reaches the sea and the main food production area, the delta is sinking due to global warming and other factors.

    What could go wrong? It is already politically unstable and much of the Egyptian people are poverty stricken. Morsi lost his job because he couldn’t keep cheap subsidized food coming in and refined petroleum products coming in.

    4. Some argue the Rwandan Genocide was population driven. It mi9ght not be coincidental that Rwanda was one of the most densely populated countries in the world.

  • mkoormtbaalt

    Power corrupts.

    Google for “erdogan mansion” if you really want to puke. He’s built his own fortified Versailles. Except his is 5 times larger than Versailles.

    And this is a US “ally”; I am betting the CIA likes him because … reasons.

    That is pretty awful. I’ve been to Istanbul and it is a fun place to visit. It certainly feels safer than many of the other places I’ve visited in the Middle East. I hope that he is seen for what he is by the people and loses the next election (assuming it is fair and that he would go quietly into the night).

  • eamick

    He’s also turning into a real Islamist, not to mention his bizarre recent claim that Muslims arrived in the Americas in the 12th century. That faint whirring sound they hear in Ankara is Atatürk spinning in his grave.

  • colnago80

    Re dingojack @ #7

    Ole Hister needed more cannon fodder for his ambitions.

  • illdoittomorrow

    Eamick at 11- sounds like a quasi-Islamic version of the claims Mormons make. I wonder what else this guy does for fanfic?

  • dingojack

    Raven – Rwanda is the 28th most densely populated country on Earth at 416 persons per Km squared (a little ahead of Puerto Rico at 414 persons per Km squared) and well behind the top 12:

    12: Maldives, 1065

    11: Bangladesh, 1094.21

    10: Sint Maarten, 1101

    9: Bermuda, 1212

    8: Malta, 1321

    7: Bahrain, 1631

    6: Vatican City, 1818

    5: Gibraltar, 4250

    4: Hong Kong, 6571

    3: Singapore, 7618

    2: Monaco, 18475

    1: Macau, 21190

    I’m guessing population density was not the major factor in the genocide in Rwanda, other factors were probably at play.

    Dingo

  • whheydt

    Re: coinago80…

    Give it up. That schtick was funny *once*, and that was when Monty Python did it.

  • dan4

    “I had no idea Erdogan was Catholic!” Actually, I remember watching Michael Voris (he’s a Catholic apologist and a real piece of work. Check out his Wikipedia entry) on a YouTube video, where he criticized those who believe having four children=”a large family.”

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    To make our nation stronger we need a more dynamic and younger population.

    Real objective: “To keep the 1% secure we need a huge and constant surplus of young people desperate for whatever jobs are available and too busy competing with each other to work together for any long-term common good.”

  • Sastra

    “One (child) means loneliness, two means rivalry, three means balance and four means abundance,” Erdoğan added.

    Aw look, this isn’t just about the country, people. Someone is considering the children!

    Over the years I’ve read articles and heard anecdotes on the “best” number of children to have and as far as I’ve been able to tell there is no such thing. There are only-children who grow up and wish they’d had siblings — and others who are glad they didn’t. There are kids in large families who see it as a big bundle of chaotic love and kids who feel neglected, hurt, picked on, and abused. Some brothers and sisters fight and some don’t. Some poisonous childhood relationships turn into close adult ones — and sometimes it goes the other way.

    You can’t tell. There are just too many contingent factors re genetics, personality, timing, environment, money, and everything else to come out with some smug one-size-fits-all advice on what’s best for the children. The Turkish president sounds like someone who has never actually been around or involved themselves with multiple real lives.

  • Nick Gotts

    Erdogan’s a shitbag, and on a global scale, falling birth rates are essential (although not of course sufficient) if we’re to have a decent chance of getting through this century in reasonable shape; but they do bring their own problems. Combined with falling death rates, they produce an aging population, and after a certain point, and in the absence of immigration, a fall in total population and a rise in the “dependency ratio” – the proportion of people not available for work. Japan’s current economic problems are thought to be in part due to these factors; and their savings rate just went negative – retired people tend to begin spending the money they’ve saved earlier in life. North America and most of Europe wouldn’t be far behind in the shift in the population’s age distribution if it wasn’t for immigration (which Japan effectively refuses to allow). In the fairly near future, we can expect the same processes to happen and the same dilemmas to arise in China. It’s far from certain that capitalism can work with falling or even stable population levels; it’s never had to up to now.

  • Nick Gotts

    /contd from #19

    If the figures given:

    however 26 per cent of the population is below the age of 15 and 50 per cent under the age of 30

    are accurate, Turkey is further along in the “demographic transition” than I realised: the 0-15 population is effectively the same size as the 16-30 group, suggesting “natural” population growth (i.e. net of emigration and immigration) will end somewhere around mid-century. Erdogan’s bullying and bluster is unlikely to make much difference. Of course, there are likely to be plenty of Syrians and Iraqis who’d be glad to relocate.

  • Scott Hanley

    “two means rivalry, three means balance”

    I don’t have children, but my brother has three and reports it’s exactly the opposite: any two of them can coexist peacefully, but when all three are present, there’s squabbling. My mother was one of three children and tells me that my grandmother reported the same thing.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    “One (child) means loneliness, two means rivalry, three means balance and four means abundance,” Erdoğan added.

    When it comes to divvying up dad’s wealth after he dies, any number greater than one means rivalry. Unless of course dad leaves it all to the oldest kid, in which case one means undivided wealth and everyone else gets kicked out on the street. But I guess good Turkish parents aren’t supposed to think of that sort of thing until it’s too late.

  • lorn

    Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan to Turkish women: “All your [uteri] are belong to us”

  • iangould

    “Didn’t he rise to power a decade ago on a platform of reform? What happened to him?”

    To be fair, he did make a lot of important reforms in his first few years – he removed the military from politics, improved human rights, abolished many of the discriminatory laws against the Kurds and reformed the economy leading to a period of unprecedented growth.

    Even now, he’s trying to complete a permanent peace deal with the PKK to replace the current ceasefire. After 30+ years of war and tens of thousands of deaths, that, if he achieves it, will be his most important legacy.

    But he’s been in power too long and has become too arrogant. The turning point seems to have been not his recent election but the purging of the military.

  • Jen

    So, this will be Romania redux? It didn’t work there, and it’s not going to work in Turkey. In ten years we’ll be finding orphanages where the unwanted children of Turkey are left to live in squalid conditions with nobody to care about them.

  • Kimpatsu

    One reason I don’t have children is because the planet is overpopulated. Has Erdogan considered the fact that any more people will result in starvation?

  • jefferylanam

    Raging Bee@22: “When it comes to divvying up dad’s wealth after he dies, any number greater than one means rivalry.”

    The Ottoman sultans had the solution to that; when one of them seized power after his father died, he usually had the others assassinated. Since the sultans usually had multiple wives and concubines, each with several children, that had a significant effect on the population.

  • forestdragon

    Re: @21 –

    Sounds like my maternal grandmother (who’d ultimately had five kids) who had two family-famous opinions regarding kids:

    Ideal number is three – two to fight and one to rest.

    I wouldn’t take a million for any of them – and I wouldn’t give a nickel for another!