Westboro Orthodox Synagogue Strikes Again

The Westboro Orthodox Synagogue — aka ultra-Orthodox Haredi Jews from New York — caused <a href="http://tabletmag.com/scroll/188009/seating-dispute-delays-another-flight-to-israel” target=”_blank”>yet another delayed flight to Israel when they refused to sit near any women because, you know, vaginas are icky and will corrupt your soul if you’re within a 5-foot radius of them.

An international flight from New York to Tel Aviv was delayed for half an hour after ultra-Orthodox men refused to sit between two women

The flight crew of Delta Flight 468 departing John F. Kennedy Airport on December 20 attempted to find other seats for the haredi men. But other passengers refused to swap seats in protest at their refusal to sit next to female passengers, according to a Friday report by Israel Radio.

The men were finally accommodated by an American passenger who agreed to switch seats.

According to Federal Aviation Authority regulations, a flight is not permitted to take off until all passengers are seated.

In September, an El Al flight was grounded after a group of haredi men refused to sit next to a female passenger, resulting in an 11-hour delay described as a “nightmare” by passengers.

I’ve got an idea: If they don’t want to sit next to women, they have two choices — sit on the wing of the plane or get your ass off the plane and swim to Israel.

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  • borax

    Why not just kick their asses off the plane and put them on the no-fly list. Problem solved.

  • erichoug

    Now, now Ed. Don’t be like that. Let Capitalism solve the issue. Reserve the last two rows of the plane for anyone who is afraid of cootie contamination. I have an interesting pricing idea for it too. Let’s say there are 6 seats in those 2 rows. If only 1 person wants a seat in that section, he pays for all 6 seats. If 2 people want seats they each pay half and so on.

    Everybody’s happy,and you can put a burlap curtain around their section so nobody else has to look at them.

  • matty1

    A brief check confirms that El Al allow passengers to reserve a particular seat for an extra charge. Is God’s law not worth the cash?

  • culuriel

    @matty1: but what if one of us yucky women reserve a seat next to them? Oh, the horror!

  • hoku

    If they want to follow their religious beliefs, and not sit next to women, I have no issue with that. Might have to buy the whole row to ensure it, but hey, if god told you to…

    Just like last time, I’m curious what the punishment is for delaying a flight because you refuse to follow instructions?

  • colnago80

    I quite fail to understand what happened here. This was Delta Air Lines, not El Al. The pilot should have called in security agents from the terminal to remove them from the aircraft and arrest them for terrorism if they offered resistance. Long past time to apply the hammer to whackjobs like this.

  • Saad

    Would they be this accommodating if someone said they won’t sit next to a black person for religious reasons? Or how about for non-religious reasons?

    Shame that someone agreed to switch and thus stood up for their misogyny.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    I don’t see what the problem is. It’s better to be safe than sorry. I mean, I once sat next to a woman, and formed a connection with another human being. It was awful. I had emotions and everything!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1246980039 caseyboucher

    In their defense, vaginas are pretty icky.

  • dingojack

    caseyboucher – so are arseholes — but that is more of a reason against these religious nutters!

    Dingo

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    caseyboucher “In their defense, vaginas are pretty icky.”

    Still, from what I understand, they’re quite popular.

  • Pierce R. Butler

    If God’s Rules™ don’t allow a kosher®-keeping man to sit anywhere a menstruating woman might have sat for the last two weeks (or whatever the regulation is), then what business do these guys have getting on any plane at any time, except one they own and control all access to themselves?

  • fmitchell

    Some bright entrepreneur could make a profit off of this. “Haredi Airlines: Women Sit In The Back.”

  • dugglebogey

    They could just buy 3 seats….or 2 and sit by the window.

    Works for Kevin Smith.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    …then what business do these guys have getting on any plane at any time, except one they own and control all access to themselves?

    I think that’s what they’re aiming for: to own and control every public space they enter through sheer unyielding obnoxiousness.

    Shame that someone agreed to switch and thus stood up for their misogyny.

    True — but maybe he was single and saw a chance to get in better company than his original seatmates?

  • sheikh mahandi

    I get the feeling the person who swapped with them probably got fed up at the delay to the flight, personally I would have held out until they finally threw the buggers off.

  • jefferylanam

    This happened some years ago on a flight I was on out of New York. Not to Israel, this was to San Francisco. They want 21st century technology, but 8th century morality.

  • whheydt

    Where in the Torah does it say that they’re allowed to fly on airplanes?

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    whheydt “Where in the Torah does it say that they’re allowed to fly on airplanes?”

    You’re right. This issue shouldn’t even come up. No where in the Torah does it say that women are allowed on airplanes.

  • dingojack

    Surely, ignorant, reflexive misogyny is one of those, much vaunted, “Judeo-Christian” values so belovéd of the right.

    Am I right?

    Dingo

  • sheikh mahandi

    Here’s another idea, rescind the regulation against standing, then let them stand up for the duration of the flight, I bet the first patch of turbulence will blow away their objections to sitting next to a woman. They could even come up with additional regulations – standing passengers don’t get food or drinks, and are not allowed to block the trolleys providing food and drink to the seated passengers, so they would have to continually move. Even if they were lucky enough not to hit any turbulence, I bet after a couple of hours of standing while out of wherever on their way to Tel Aviv or wherever would also overcome their objections.

  • sheikh mahandi

    Caseyboucher In what way are vaginas any more icky than sweaty bollocks?

  • lorn

    Putting them all on the no-fly list sounds both right and good but it would likely cause legal repercussions. Putting them out on the wing could end up endangering the aircraft if hits the tail after letting go on the way down or impacts someone on the ground. And, because haredi men are not know for being high-speed-low-drag forms a half dozen strapped to the wings isn’t going to improve the fuel economy.

    I do have two words to solve this problem: cargo containers. Check the heredi men in like baggage, containerize them, and load them using the usual automated equipment.

  • thebookofdave

    You beat me to it, lorn. I’m sure haredi males aren’t concerned about catching cooties from the passengers’ pets. Alternatively, the airline could equip itself with extra-large airsick bags for these gentlemen, and invite them to climb into one for the trip. That should prevent accidental exposure. Otherwise, they should be treated the same as any other baby having an uncontrollable tantrum.

  • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com WMDKitty — Survivor

    Fuck ’em. They can either take their damn seats, or GTFO the plane. Either way, people have schedules to keep, so make it quick!

  • anachronistes

    Just saw the other day where a person attempted to switch seats, twice, before takeoff and was forcibly dragged off the plane by several TSA officers, and put in jail. Why that person and not these men?

    Oh, that person was a 68 yo female nurse, and not a religious male.

  • Tsu Dho Nimh

    Your link is FUBAR

  • caseloweraz

    Sheik Mahandi: Here’s another idea, rescind the regulation against standing, then let them stand up for the duration of the flight…

    It would probably be logistically simpler and less expensive for the airlines to give them oxygen masks and arctic-rated sleeping bags and stack them in the cargo hold. They’d even pay a lower fare.

    – – –

    Ah, I see Lorn beat me to it.

  • caseloweraz

    Better still, if these Haredi Jews need to fly and cannot abide sitting next to a woman on a regular commercial flight, they should either use charters or wait until they can book all the seats in First Class on one flight. Of course, the latter would mean they have to coordinate the scheduling for events they attend. Perhaps that’s an impossible burden for them.

  • dingojack

    So IF my religion forbade my sitting next to Jews, you’d be perfectly A-OK with that? It wouldn’t be ‘Anti-Semitism’ in any way, right?

    @@

    Dingo.

  • http://lykex.livejournal.com LykeX

    If they want to follow their religious beliefs, and not sit next to women, I have no issue with that. Might have to buy the whole row to ensure it, but hey, if god told you to…

    Exactly. If you want to control who sits next to you, there’s a simple method to deal with that: Buy the seat next to you. If you’ve booked the seat, then you get to decide who sits there and nobody can say otherwise.

    It’s a simple and easy solution; available to everyone equally, functioning within the existing system, and avoiding any discussion about the merits of any particular preference over another. Don’t like women? Don’t like Jews? Don’t like people wearing blue shirts? Problem solved, whatever it is.

    On the other hand, if they’re not willing to do that, then they’ve made it perfectly clear that it’s not really that important to them. If it’s not important to them, why should the rest of us care?