Lively Declares the Death of ‘Christian Civilization’

As the wingnuts and bigots (but I repeat myself) compete with one another to see who can be more hysterical and hyperbolic about the inevitable reality of marriage equality, Scott Lively, who is as hardcore a bigot as one could possibly imagine, says it’s the death of “Christian civilization.” I think he thinks that’s an argument against it.

The US Supreme Court has taken on so-called “gay” marriage this session and is certain to declare it a constitutional right UNLESS the people prove by unequivocal speech and action that they don’t want it.

Pro-family citizens need to face the facts. The swing vote on the court is still homosexualist Anthony Kennedy who has written every pro-homosexual majority opinion on “gay rights” for the past 20 years. In the first of these, Romer v Evans (1996), he stunningly declared that Colorado’s Amendment 2, which said homosexual conduct did not qualify a person for minority status in civil rights law, did not even rise to the level of a “legitimate state interest,” and therefore none of the normal analysis of its legal reasoning need be performed…

This article has a political tone, but the threat we face is primarily spiritual. Homosexual “marriage” represents the defeat of Biblical truth in America and the church must not sit silently by and acquiesce to it. In 2015 silence equals death to marriage, and by extension to Christian civilization.

He says that like it’s a bad thing. “Christian civilization” brought us pogroms, inquisitions, witch hunts, theocracies and oppression. May it die a quick and less-than-honorable death.

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  • wreck

    How exactly does letting more people marry = “death to marriage”? It’s like saying that more people golfing = “death to golf”. Lively is definitely from the Bizzaro Universe.

  • wreck

    “Nobody goes there anymore. It’s too crowded.”

    -Yogi Berra

    OK, now I get it.

  • John Pieret

    [SCOTUS] is certain to declare it a constitutional right UNLESS the people prove by unequivocal speech and action that they don’t want it.

    And how many people proved by unequivocal speech and action that they didn’t want school integration? How’d that work out?

  • cptdoom

    And how many people proved by unequivocal speech and action that they didn’t want school integration? How’d that work out?

    Certainly many thousands more people made their vehement disagreement with integration known than have demonstrated their dislike of marriage equality. Aside from a couple of vendors and the typical loudmouths of the Right, the reaction in nearly all jurisdictions that have seen marriage equality – whether by state court decision, legislative action, voter referendum or federal court decision – has been akin to a pair of shrugged shoulders. Even NOM’s vaunted “March for Marriage” got fewer participants than a typical Catholic school sends to the “pro-life” march each year.

    I highly doubt the anti-gay Right is ever going to generate the outrage over marriage equality that they’ve been able to manage for abortion, because marriages occur in public and are celebrated; abortions are still private matter that few women discuss outside of their own circles, so it’s much easier to vilify women who have abortions than same-sex couples who marry.

  • Sastra

    [SCOTUS] is certain to declare it a constitutional right UNLESS the people prove by unequivocal speech and action that they don’t want it.

    Yes, we can just barely discern the quivering shapes of the Supreme Court Justices all hovering behind the curtains, peeping out at the crowds below in a desperate attempt to figure out what they’re supposed to do.

  • dingojack

    The US Supreme Court has taken on so-called “gay” marriage this session and is certain to declare it a constitutional right UNLESS the people prove by unequivocal speech and action that they don’t want it.”

    This article has a political tone, but the threat we face is primarily spiritual. Homosexual “marriage” represents the defeat of Biblical truth in America and the church must not sit silently by and acquiesce to it. In 2015 silence equals death to marriage, and by extension to Christian civilization.

    What are ya gonna do? Have a gaggle of slack-jawed yokels aimlessly wander around the National Mall in Washington, carrying badly written signs with dubious spelling and grammar?

    I’m sooooo sure that’ll be effective. @@

    Dingo

  • http://www.facebook.com/robin.pilger Robin Pilger

    What was it that Gandhi said about western civilization?

  • marcus

    Lively, Chief Dumbass and Co-conspirator to the murder of innocents:

    “The US Supreme Court has taken on so-called “gay” marriage this session and is certain to declare it a constitutional right UNLESS the people prove by unequivocal speech and action that they don’t want it.”

    Good luck with that you despicable piece of shit.

  • blf

    A phone call to the “morally misguided … [motherfecking] power-hungry self-aggrandised bigot in the stupid fucking hat” fraudcis would be far more effective.

    (With apologies and many thanks to Tim Minchin.)

  • briandavis

    dingojack said:

    What are ya gonna do? Have a gaggle of slack-jawed yokels aimlessly wander around the National Mall in Washington, carrying badly written signs with dubious spelling and grammar?

    Don’t be silly. What people need to do is send money to my conservative PAC. When Anthony Kennedy somehow finds out about the new yacht I buy with the money he will certainly vote to preserve Christian marriage. Remember rubespatriots — sending me money is the answer to your fears!

  • Loqi

    So once it’s officially dead, do the ones who keep trying to bring it back become necromancers?

  • The Other Lance

    What the hell is a ‘homosexualist’?

  • http://kamakanui.zenfolio.com Kamaka

    @12

    Something to do with hairdressing.

  • shadow

    @7:

    IIRC, he was in favor of it.

  • raven

    So once it’s officially dead, do the ones who keep trying to bring it back become necromancers?

    Sure.

    And xianity becomes a shambling Zombie. Hollywood will love it. Movies for the next century.

    The Walking Dead Religion Part XXI.

  • GuineaPigDan .

    Isn’t Scott Lively one of those guys who blames gay people for the Nazis? A society that merely acknowledges the existence of gay people nicely would probably spell the end of Christian Civilization in his world.

  • Chiroptera

    … Colorado’s Amendment 2, which said homosexual conduct did not qualify a person for minority status in civil rights law….

    Actually, Colorado’s Amendment 2 prohibited any city, county, or other jurisdiction in Colorado from including sexual orientation in their anti-discrimination statutes. Maybe that’s what he means, but it reads to me like he’s conflating different buzz words.

  • http://kamakanui.zenfolio.com Kamaka

    @15 raven

    And xianity becomes a shambling Zombie.

    Becomes? Christers have always loved them some zombies. It’s what they do.

  • http://drx.typepad.com Dr X

    What the hell is a ‘homosexualist’?

    It’s a person who plays the homsexaphone.

  • lorn

    +1 to The Other Lance @ #12.

    WTF is a “homosexualist”

    An industrialist is a person that promotes and uses industry to make a profit. Does this mean Lively is accusing Anthony Kennedy of being a pimp? Is Lively being victimized by his overactive imagination, or does he know something we don’t?

  • Al Dente

    Lively, you’ve got to get a hobby. You spend too much time worrying about homosexuals. You’re creeping everyone out.

  • howardhershey

    My bet is that he is confusing the Colorado case with the 2003 Lawrence v. Texas, which did in fact say that there was no State interest in what people did (in this case, sodomy) in the privacy of their home. Kennedy was on the right side in that one, along with O’Conner, Stevens, Souter, Ginsberg, and Breyer. He held that “the Texas statute furthers no legitimate state interest which can justify its intrusion into the personal and private life of the individual.” If true that he simply confused cases, it would fit with a demonstrated inability to fact check anything.

  • StevoR

    @7. Robin Pilger asked : “What was it that Gandhi said about western civilization? “

    You probably already know this but just in case not :

    https://apictureofpolitics.wordpress.com/2012/04/24/gandhis-play-on-words/

    Hmm. some of his actual views expressed more seriously there, well .. Hmmm.

  • johnhodges

    He’s probably thinking that societal acceptance of gay marriage would make a clear statement that this society does not accept the Bible as the ultimate authority on questions of morality. In my own opinion, that was done already by the abolition of slavery.

  • http://www.facebook.com/eo.raptor.3 eoraptor

    I already posted this on the Bryan Fisher thread a few posts down. But…

    Bryan Fisher, the eponymous inspiration for the Bryan Fisher award, the “1st Amendment is only for Christians,” the “only gays could have pulled-off the holocaust,” THAT Bryan Fisher was fired today! Apparently, those two positions — possibly in conjunction with the fact that he’s, well you know, Bryan Fisher, got him fired as American Family’s official spokes nut job.

    Rachel Maddow said it, I believe it, and that settles it!

    Man, I never knew schadenfreude could be so exhilarating.

  • John Pieret

    eoraptor:

    Bryan Fisher was fired today!

    Not quite, I’m afraid. He has had his title as ‘Director of Issue Analysis’ stripped but remains as “just a talk show host,” I bet there is no diminution in whatever he is paid by AFA. In short, it is a cosmetic change to give the RNC some cover over the trip to Israel for many RNC members that AFA is paying for .

    http://www.frontiersmedia.com/frontiers-blog/2015/01/29/american-family-association-spokesman-bryan-fischer-fired/