Wingnut Offers Dumbest Anti-Marijuana Arguments Ever

Rep. John Fleming has obviously seen Reefer Madness with no irony whatsoever. On the Family Research Council’s radio show with Tony Perkins, he made some of the most laughable arguments against marijuana legalization ever. It leads to meth use, you see, which has been “proven scientifically,” and will make people disabled and dependent on government.

“Marijuana is a gateway drug, we have proven that scientifically,” Fleming said. “To think that today’s meth user was not yesterday’s marijuana user is actually just a flight of fantasy.”

Oooh, it’s been proven scientifically, you guys! I’m sure that scientific proof has some way to explain why, if marijuana leads to meth use, less than 5% of Americans have used meth while almost 40% have used pot, right? Yeah, I didn’t think so.

Fleming also disputed libertarian arguments in favor of reforming drug laws, arguing that liberalizing drug laws will make Americans less free and more reliant on government because people will be “disabled” as a result of marijuana use.

“They say, ‘you should be free to do whatever you want,’ well that’s fine but when society has to pick up the pieces and take care of you and your health and your family and support you through a very, very thick safety net system because you are now addicted or you have poor health and you can’t support yourself, then all you’re going to do is see a system, a society, if you will, that becomes more and more disabled and more and more supported by the government,” Fleming said. “How can you make a libertarian argument for that? But that is the future if we allow people to go irresponsibly into the future legalizing such dangerous substances, which inevitably are going to make their way into the homes and, when they do, children are going to be using them as well.”

Funny how he isn’t the least bit concerned about the cost of the 700,000 or so arrests for marijuana every year or the fact that the war on drugs breaks up families. But if he can find some absurd way of linking it to welfare? Then that’s obviously terrible and must be stopped.

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  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    “They say, ‘you should be free to do whatever you want,’ well that’s fine but when society has to pick up the pieces and take care of you and your health and your family and support you through a very, very thick safety net system because you are now addicted or you have poor health and you can’t support yourself, then all you’re going to do is see a system, a society, if you will, that becomes more and more disabled and more and more supported by the government,” Fleming said.

    Where was this brave truth-telling social critic when so many people were even more disabled, and stripped of their ability to support themselves, by Republican education, environment, energy, foreign and fiscal policies?

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    And it’s not only the welfare that’s bad. Marihuana addiction leads to illegal voting!

  • raven

    Marijuana is de facto almost legalized already. It’s legal in 4 states and decriminalized in more. Medical marijuana is in 21 states IIRC.

    It hasn’t made much difference.

    Cannabis was like alcohol during Prohibition. Too many people just decided the law was wrong and ignored it. And there wasn’t much the police could do about it when millions of people use it.

  • magistramarla

    I find it worrisome that the candidate for attorney general, Loretta Lynch, is against marijuana legalization and for the death penalty. Why couldn’t the President nominate someone who is more progressive?

  • Loqi

    My father was a meth addict, but thankfully he never used pot, because that shit is dangerous.

  • D. C. Sessions

    Marijuana is de facto almost legalized already.

    It always was, at least if you were white.

  • caseloweraz

    I think Rep. Fleming isn’t trying hard enough. With just a little more effort, he could have gotten that second paragraph into one sentence. Nothing like a run-on sentence to bore your audience into a state of acquiescence.

  • John Pieret

    I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if the majority of people who use meth also used marijuana at sometime. Of course, most people who use meth have also drunk milk at sometime.

  • http://www.thelosersleague.com theschwa

    less than 5% of Americans have used meth while almost 40% have used pot, right?

    That leaves 35% who have not used meth…YET! Clearly, they are still gatewaying!!

  • http://www.thelosersleague.com theschwa

    well that’s fine but when society has to pick up the pieces and take care of you and your health and your family and support you through a very, very thick safety net system because you are now addicted or you have poor health and you can’t support yourself, then all you’re going to do is see a system, a society, if you will, that becomes more and more disabled and more and more supported by the government

    Scary. Very scary.

    well that’s fine but when society has to pick up the pieces and take care of you and your bank and support you through a very, very thick safety net system because you tanked the economy and bankrupted your company and you can’t support yourself, then all you’re going to do is see a system, a society, if you will, that becomes stronger and more and more persecuted by the government

    The free market works.

  • dugglebogey

    Can we make some kind of rule where people in the party trying to deny science entirely aren’t allowed to use the phrase “proven scientifically.”

    I know it shouldn’t be necessary, but here we are…

  • dugglebogey

    Also of note, this guy seems to think “sending people to prison” is a “safety net.”

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    John Pieret “Of course, most people who use meth have also drunk milk at sometime.”

    A milk junkie broke in to my car and stole the stereo. I was only away for a minute, and when I got back the floor was covered in shattered glass and cookie crumbs.

  • John Pieret

    Modus:

    when I got back the floor was covered in shattered glass and cookie crumbs.

    Thank goodness … it wasn’t me then! I’ve always stayed away from cookies since those are really a gateway to smoking marijuana! … Or the other way ’round … I forget …

  • cptdoom

    …well that’s fine but when society has to pick up the pieces and take care of you and your health and your family and support you…

    Thank the Lord above that no other products that are legal in this country leave society to pick up the pieces and spend resources on care and support, like guns or something.

  • marcus

    @ 15 Tobacco, alcohol, coal…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002686842900 ChristineRose

    I’m opposed to marijuana use because it makes people think pot brownies are a good idea.

  • marcus

    @17 I try to stay away from those things, give me a good ol’ spliff anytime (well, not anytime).

  • briandavis

    I think Fleming did a fine job explaining why he wants to ban tobacco. He was talking about tobacco, right?

  • gog

    I’m gonna get disabled tonight, I think.

  • mikeymeitbual

    Replace “marijuana” with “alcohol”, “prescription painkillers”, or “anxiety pills” – notice how the attitude changes. I’ve seen as many lives ruined by prescription drugs as I have seen lives ruined my marijuana arrests. The difference being those arrested for marijuana possession/trafficking survived their incarceration and most are leading productive lives. I’d estimate nearly half of the addicts died from overdoses, 40% are in treatment, and less than 10% are recovering addicts.

    Instead of focusing on the perceived, imagined damages that will be created by cannabis legalization, why not focus on stuff that matters? In last years’ State of the State address, the governor of Vermont spent his entire address discussing the raging heroin epidemic in his state. 1 in 3 heroin addicts become dependent on opiates while taking legitimate prescriptions as ordered by their doctor. Doctors should be required to ensure patients are no longer dependent on their medications before discharging them, even if that means prescribing something like buprenorphine.

    This is one of many practical solutions to actual problems that plague our society and this knucklehead is going on about “marijuana addiction”. I wonder if a walk through some substance abuse treatment centers would help get these guys’ thoughts more aligned with reality.

  • dingojack

    Modus (#13) – Pursuant to the apprehension of the monster who illegally broke and entered of a series of vehicles, the police have issued the following sketch of the suspect.

    Dingo