Sally Kern Wants OK Students as Dumb As She Is

Our old friend Sally Kern and some of her fellow halfwitted colleagues in the Oklahoma state legislature now want to do away with Advanced Placement classes in high school, especially history, because it doesn’t mention the idiotic idea of American exceptionalism.

Some opponents of Common Core apparently have now turned their guns on Advanced Placement courses.

The legality of teaching Advanced Placement courses in Oklahoma public schools was raised Monday during a House Common Education Committee hearing on a bill aimed at the AP U.S. history guidelines.

That measure, House Bill 1380, by Rep. Dan Fisher, R-Yukon, would direct the state Board of Education to review those guidelines and bar the use of state funds for AP U.S. history courses.

During discussion and debate, however, it was suggested that AP courses are similar to Common Core, in that they could be construed as an attempt to impose a national curriculum on American schools.

It was also suggested that AP courses violate the legislation approved last year that repealed Common Core, with state Rep. Sally Kern, R-Oklahoma City, saying she has asked the state Attorney General’s Office for a ruling on the matter….

Fisher, who has been active in a church-and-state organization called the Black Robe Regiment, said the AP U.S. history course framework emphasizes “what is bad about America.”

Larry Krieger, a teacher who spoke to the committee via conference call, implied that the AP framework was created by some of the same people responsible for Common Core.

Both said the framework omits the concept of “American exceptionalism.”

What is it with these idiots and their obsessive need to have sunshine continually blown up their asses? As with nearly everything else, they think the world contains only two possibilities — America is either the most amazing country in the history of the world and specifically picked by God to be so or you’re a communist who hates America and probably a gay Kenyan Muslim too. And they’re in charge of public policy for an entire state, for crying out loud.

Update: And on Monday, that committee voted 11-4 to ban AP courses from all Oklahoma schools. If the full legislature follows suit and the governor signs it (and she will, as she’s a weapons-grade moron), that would put the brightest kids in Oklahoma at a major disadvantage over kids from other states when it comes to college admissions.

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  • http://www.thelosersleague.com theschwa

    OK was getting dangerously close to cracking the top 80%. This ought to fix that.

  • raven

    The real enemy of right wingnuts/fundie xians isn’t history or science. It is reality itself.

    They hate a lot. I suppose they might as well add reality to the list.

    PS They’ve been reading their instruction manual again. This is straight out of Orwell’s 1984.

  • yazikus

    This is so awful for all of the students. And american exceptionalism is crap that ought not to be taught, anywhere, ever. What are they going to replace the curriculum with, ABeka? ACE?

  • Chiroptera

    …that would put the brightest kids in Oklahoma at a major disadvantage over kids from other states when it comes to college admissions.

    *sigh*

    Which will end up meaning that she and her fellow morons will increase the pressure on OK’s state colleges to weaken their standards even further so that they’ll admit even less capable students and make sure they put diplomas in the hands of even less capable graduates.

  • U Frood

    A financial disadvantage, too. Compare the costs of taking the AP exam with the cost of taking the equivalent course at college.

    I don’t remember any America-hating going on in the AP American History course I took. I guess it’s possible I was brainwashed, or it only took the America-hating route after I took it in the mid 90s.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Oooo-klahoma, where the wind comes whistlin’ through Kern’s brain…

  • ed440

    American exceptionalism huh? We rank 36th in math, 25th in reading, and 28th in science. The only exceptional here is exceptionally stupid … and it’s getting worse, not better.

  • grumpyoldfart

    We’re always going to need fruit pickers and domestic servants. Poorly educated Oklahomans could find themselves in demand.

  • Larry

    We rank 36th in math, 25th in reading, and 28th in science.

    To be honest, Jesus wasn’t very good in those subjects either. And we certainly don’t want to be any more exceptional than him.

  • U Frood

    They actually want to teach that America is special in some way? For.. reasons?

  • keithb

    What happened to “Teach the controversy”? Give the kids the facts and let *them* decide whether America is exceptional or not.

  • jimmiraybob

    “…the brightest kids in Oklahoma at a major disadvantage over kids from other states when it comes to college admissions.”

    But “Socrates trained Plato on a rock” [David Brat (R-FuckUIGotMine)]. And I’ve been to Oklahoma, there are plenty of rocks. Ergo, also too, nothing lost moving teaching to the great outdoors.

  • busterggi

    At least they didn’t touch the football programs. Priorities you know.

  • Sastra

    Fisher, who has been active in a church-and-state organization called the Black Robe Regiment, …

    The “Black Robe Regiment?” Sounds scary. Do they have skulls on their helmets?

    I googled it and started to read the website. The description didn’t mention the helmets, though. To learn more I had to press something that said “Join The Black Robe Regiment Interactive Portal Here.”

    No. Just no.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Sastra “No. Just no.”

    Well, if they’re too much, you can sign up for my group, The Bath Robe Regiment. Or don’t sign up. We’re pretty causal.

  • John Pieret

    Here’s what they want to replace the AP history courses with:

    The bill, authored by Oklahoma Rep. Dan Fisher, designates a total of 58 documents that “shall form the base level of academic content for all United States History courses offered in the schools in the state.” Many of the texts are uncontroversial and undoubtedly covered by the Advanced Placement U.S. History course, such as the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence and Gettysburg address. But the bill also has an ideological and religious bent. In addition to 3 speeches by Reagan, the curriculum [also] includes a speech by George W. Bush but nothing from any Democratic president since Lyndon Johnson.

    Fisher’s bill was approved by the Education committee on an 11-4 vote.

    http://thinkprogress.org/education/2015/02/18/3624062/oklahoma-bill-banning-ap-us-history-make-students-study-ten-commandments-3-speeches-reagan/

    There’s a link at that article to the actual text of the bill.

  • eric

    Wow, what a terrible result for OK teens. Here’s hoping their parents make the relevant legislators pay for it in the next election.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    eric “Here’s hoping their parents make the relevant legislators pay for it in the next election.”

    That’s adorable.

  • whheydt

    Next up, listen for the weeping and wailing when they can’t attract any business to the state that has good pay and relies on an educated workforce. The companies won’t be able to move any employees with kids into the state unless they pay for quality private education, and that would run the salaries up too far to be economically feasible.

    Kern and company will put the problem down to just about anything other than the OK education policies.

    In the mean time, anyone who wants to get ahead, or wants their kids to get ahead, will leave.

  • scienceavenger

    They are just trying to assure that Oklahoma remains the most Republican state in the union.

  • http://sidhe3141.blogspot.com JamesY2

    yazikus (3) says

    What are they going to replace the curriculum with, ABeka? ACE?

    Don’t give them ideas.

  • cottonnero

    I’m sure wealthy Oklahomans will still be able to have their students take AP classes in private schools.

    Republican educational priorities: Quality education for the rich, Fox News-flavored curriculum for the poor.

  • eric

    @18: it happened in Kansas. The YEC anti-education fundies got in through the GOP door, then got promptly booted out after doing their creationist thing. Well okay, so the state yo-yo’s and has had to go through that multipe times. But on the issue of AP classes I think legislators might learn more quickly or at least not be so dedicated; its not as critical to their fundie-ism as Noah etc. is.

  • Sastra

    New state motto: “Oklahoma: Come Here For An Education That’s O.K.”

  • samgardner

    American exceptionalism huh? We rank 36th in math, 25th in reading, and 28th in science.

    Actually, those aren’t *horrible* numbers. Mediocre, surely, but given a large influx of immigrants and a significant portion of students in poverty and a culture that doesn’t emphasize academics, they’re okay.

    Even if we somehow addressed culture and poverty, I think the immigrant population would probably limit us to a high of about 10th in the world (so, about Canada’s rank). I’m just pulling numbers out of the air, of course, but my main point is that if you *expect* that we should be #1 then you’re probably thinking American exceptionalism yourself.

  • samgardner

    Oh, we also have a system that allows for variation among states, which will limit our overall success. But it might lead to finding something much better.

  • Childermass

    Some of what the bill says should form the basis of a history course: “Acts of the United States Congress, including the published text of the Congressional Record;”

    I suspect that junior will probably be dead of old age before he could read the Congressional Record.

    Somehow, I don’t think that anyone will be actually basing any curricula whatsoever on the Congressional Record.

    Th Justinian Code is also in the lesson plan of the bill. Sounds great though still a bit long for most high school courses. It would have the advantage of showing your sons and daughters what it is like to like under a Christian nation.

  • John Pieret

    Besides some red flags, such as the mention of “post-Federalism,” which seems to be a fringe idea, the fact that as many of Reagan’s speeches are included by name as Lincoln’s or FDR’s … and more than Washington’s! … certainly is a good indicator of where these people are coming from. The rest of it is mostly good (The Federalist Papers, Martin Luther King’s Letter from Birmingham Jail and “I Have a Dream” speech, the “Great Society” speech made by Lyndon B. Johnson, de Tocqueville, and even a bit of Paine’s Common Sense). But I think they made a mistake including Jonathan Edwards’ sermon “Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God,” which I can’t see being appealing to modern internet-savvy youth.

  • notruescott

    My wife has her students read “Sinners in the hands of an angry god” in her english classes. They are unanimously appalled.

  • magistramarla

    Rep. Dan Fisher, R-Yukon Remember, Yukon and Mustang are the two neighboring towns to the giant Garden Ridge store and are also home to Hobby Lobby. This guy is probably a shill for the Green family of Hobby Lobby and their so-called curriculum.

    We lived there about 30 years ago, and the schools were pretty bad then. They seem to have gone downhill since.

    We moved there with two little girls who had already been identified as highly gifted in Missouri (that state’s education system was fairly progressive at the time). They were already in some gifted programs at the ages of 4 and 6. I had to fight to keep my daughters somewhat challenged while we lived there. Many military families like ours were very anxious to leave Oklahoma.

    Of course, since the AF has been infiltrated by fundis since then, I doubt whether military families are as upset today as they were then.

  • Acolyte of Sagan

    ed440 @ #7: there is more than one math.

  • wildbill

    Wonder how far this would get if University of Oklahoma and Oklahoma State U. said they would not accept these new “AP” courses for college credit? Other state schools, as well as colleges and universities also say they won’t accept these courses, but I’m thinking that OU and OSU could have the biggest impact.

  • StevoR

    Sally Kern Wants OK Students as Dumb As She Is

    But then they wouldn’t be okay students anymore they’d be bad ones!

    Sorry Sally but that’s an exceptionally terrible idea and not going to do your state any good at all.

  • caseloweraz

    Both said the framework omits the concept of “American exceptionalism impeccabilism.”

    Fixed.

  • caseloweraz

    Modus (#6): Oooo-klahoma, where the wind comes whistlin’ through Kern’s brain…

    And the waving hands can sure look grand, when understanding has been slain.

  • eric

    Update. After considerable bad press and a petition, Fisher (the sponsor) is withdrawing the bill. He now says it was poorly worded and he has always supported the AP program. Of course. That perfectly explains why the bill passed the committee with the 11 republicans for* and 4 democrats opposed – because it was terribly worded. Yeah yeah, that’s the ticket…

    *There was also one republican who was missing the day the vote was taken, and since then she has come out opposed to the bill. Not attending that vote may have been the best political move of this term for her.

  • Christopher P.

    Aren’t Republicans the party of the free market? Advanced Placement classes are offered by College Board… a private company. They aren’t designed by the evil liberal government but by a good wholesome free market private company. How can they bitch about this? I just don’t understand it.

    I took AP US History, AP European History, AP Government, and several AP science classes. They saved me tons of money in college, and better prepared me for it. I always hate when fundie conservatives say this in regards to gay rights but I think it actually makes sense here: won’t somebody please think of the children?

  • caseloweraz

    Eric: Update. After considerable bad press and a petition, Fisher (the sponsor) is withdrawing the bill. He now says it was poorly worded and he has always supported the AP program.

    Years ago, I read of a local politician who had put forward a measure that took an NRA-type position. (I don’t remember the details.) When pushback occurred, he withdrew the measure and declared it had been introduced due to the error of a staff member. I got the same whiff of BS from that as I do from Fisher’s statement.