MRA Wants to Legalize Rape on Private Property

A popular Men’s Rights Activist (read: raging misogynist asshole) and pickup artist (when you visit his site, a little popup asks you to sign up for his free “game tips newsletter” that will give you “18 reasons why you don’t get laid”) named Roosh Vorek has written an essay in which he seriously suggests that the way to stop rape is to legalize it as long as it happens on private property.

By attempting to teach men not to rape, what we have actually done is teach women not to care about being raped, not to protect themselves from easily preventable acts, and not to take responsibility for their actions. At the same time, we don’t hesitate to blame men for bad things that happen to them (if right now you walked into a dangerous ghetto and got robbed, you would be called an idiot and no one would say “teach ghetto kids not to steal”). It was obvious to me that the advice of our esteemed establishment writers and critics wasn’t stopping the problem, and since rape was already on the law books with severe penalties, additional laws or flyers posted on dormitory doors won’t stop this rape culture either.

I thought about this problem and am sure I have the solution: make rape legal if done on private property. I propose that we make the violent taking of a woman not punishable by law when done off public grounds.

The exception for public rape is aimed at those seedy and deranged men who randomly select their rape victims on alleys and jogging trails, but not as a mechanism to prevent those rapes, since the verdict is still out if punishment stops a committed criminal mind, but to have a way to keep them off the streets. For all other rapes, however, especially if done in a dwelling or on private property, any and all rape that happens should be completely legal.

If rape becomes legal under my proposal, a girl will protect her body in the same manner that she protects her purse and smartphone. If rape becomes legal, a girl will not enter an impaired state of mind where she can’t resist being dragged off to a bedroom with a man who she is unsure of—she’ll scream, yell, or kick at his attempt while bystanders are still around. If rape becomes legal, she will never be unchaperoned with a man she doesn’t want to sleep with. After several months of advertising this law throughout the land, rape would be virtually eliminated on the first day it is applied.

Without daddy government to protect her, a girl would absolutely not enter a private room with a man she doesn’t know or trust unless she is absolutely sure she is ready to sleep with him. Consent is now achieved when she passes underneath the room’s door frame, because she knows that that man can legally do anything he wants to her when it comes to sex. Bad encounters are sure to occur, but these can be learning experiences for the poorly trained woman so she can better identify in the future the type of good man who will treat her like the delicate flower that she believes she is. After only one such sour experience, she will actually want to get fully acquainted with a man for longer than two hours—perhaps even demanding to meet his parents—instead of letting a beer chug prevent her from making the correct decisions to protect her body.

This deranged fuckstick is teaching other men how to pick up women. Sometimes I am so ashamed of my gender.

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  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    By attempting to teach men not to rape, what we have actually done is teach women not to care about being raped…

    Yeah, because when you teach men not to rape, it causes women to forget that rape can be harmful.

    That’s where I stopped reading. Why are you giving this moron a platform again? Was he known for anything before you gave him this write-up?

  • blf

    Great. Kidnap and then rape.

    This idea needs some fine-tuning. With a chainsaw.

  • http://cheapsignals.blogspot.com Gretchen

    and no one would say “teach ghetto kids not to steal”)

    Right, because everyone is taught not to steal, you classist twit.

  • themadtapper

    Men’s Rights Activist (read: raging misogynist asshole)

    I vote for “Misogynist Raging Asshole” to be the new definition of “MRA”.

  • Alverant

    Know your enemy, Bee.

    Get Vorek drunk then make a bet with him where he sells his car to you for $1 then see what he thinks about consent after that.

  • blf

    Trivia-ish point: Ed’s title is backwards, the nutter wants rape to be legal on private property, not public…

  • gshelley

    Without daddy government to protect her, a girl would absolutely not enter a private room with a man she doesn’t know or trust unless she is absolutely sure she is ready to sleep with him. Consent is now achieved when she passes underneath the room’s door frame, because she knows that that man can legally do anything he wants to her when it comes to sex

    Didn’t I see something similar from a Saudi cleric recently?

  • eric

    @6: He probably wants it to be legal on both, he’s just publishing the ‘on private property’ part.

    @5:

    Get Vorek drunk then make a bet with him where he sells his car to you for $1

    I can think of more appropriate turnabouts.

  • http://cheapsignals.blogspot.com Gretchen

    Consent is now achieved when she passes underneath the room’s door frame, because she knows that that man can legally do anything he wants to her when it comes to sex

    Does the same hold true for Roosh when he passes underneath a room’s door frame? Does that mean he is consenting to sex with any (or even all) people in that room?

    Has Roosh seen Pulp Fiction?

  • blf

    Has Roosh seen Pulp Fiction?

    Given the level of “thinking” this misogynist raging arsehole is displaying, I suspect he gets most of his ideas from Wile E Coyote, and cuts out all the bits he doesn’t understand. Probably only leaves the Looney Tunes logo.

  • Chiroptera

    I think this would work for other crimes as well.

    To teach people not to murder, make it legal to kill people on private property.

    To teach people not to steal, make it legal to rob people on private property.

    To teach people to obey environmental protection laws, allow people to pollute the air and groundwater on private property.

    This could revolutionize criminal justice!

  • bryanfeir

    That’s where I stopped reading. Why are you giving this moron a platform again? Was he known for anything before you gave him this write-up?

    Actually, yeah, he was.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roosh_V

    He’s the author of an entire series of books about acting as a pickup artist all over the world, and was noted by name by the Southern Poverty Law Center in their list of ‘manosphere’ and misogynist sites.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    bryanfeir: thanks for the answer. (But I’m still not reading the rest of his crap.)

  • http://aceofsevens.wordpress.com Ace of Sevens

    IIRC, Vorek advises pretending to drink anyway, so it may not work.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    Gretchen: I re-pasted your question in Roosh’s blog post, signed as a guest (sorry I didn’t think to give credit). My comment has since disappeared. So I think your question has been answered: he didn’t think of that, and removed the question to hide his incompetence.

  • Alverant

    eric, I can too but I’m not going to go there on this board. However losing his car I think would be enough to make him realize what an asshole he is without going so far as to make him a victim in the eyes of his fans. In this case I think humiliation would work better than more extreme examples.

  • heddle

    Gretchen, #9

    Game. Set. Match.

  • theguy

    So I can beat the shit out of the MRA piece of shit as long as it’s on private property? An organization could invite him to speak at their premises and hire a sniper for the same event?

  • D. C. Sessions

    So women and children are fair game when they’re home?

  • freemage

    We Hunted the Mammoth (the site I first read about this bilge) has a strict no-violence policy for comments. This was the first time Icould not post a comment because I could not bring myself to say something about Roosh that did not suggest violence was the answer.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    DC: Now that you mention it, did he draw any distinction between the woman’s property and anyone else’s?

  • laurentweppe

    Great. Kidnap and then rape.

    Well, that’s how our civilization was founded after all.

  • eric

    Chiroptera:

    To teach people not to murder, make it legal to kill people on private property.

    You offer the suggestion as satire, but we’re halfway there. Stand your ground!

  • Francisco Bacopa

    The sad thing is that the private dorm my mother lived in back in the late 50’s operated as if Roosh’s principle were in effect. And that was not so far from the truth at that time as victim blaming was much more common than today.

  • scienceavenger

    This guy really needs some time on my hypothetical island populated with nothing but homosexual football players, MMA fighters, and bodybuilders, to give him a little perspective.

  • samgardner

    I think you guys have all missed the point. As Roosh’s supporters have pointed out, it’s *SATIRE*!

    That means really he’s making fun of those who want to define rape as only those sexual assaults occurring in dark alleys, and who claim that when a woman gets drunk she’s effectively consented. He’s just showing how stupid their opinions are.

  • U Frood

    “18 reasons why you don’t get laid”

    1) You advocate making rape legal.

  • http://cheapsignals.blogspot.com Gretchen

    I think you guys have all missed the point. As Roosh’s supporters have pointed out, it’s *SATIRE*!

    That means really he’s making fun of those who want to define rape as only those sexual assaults occurring in dark alleys, and who claim that when a woman gets drunk she’s effectively consented. He’s just showing how stupid their opinions are.

    Bullshit. This is absolutely consistent his regular MRA idiocy. Unless his entire personality, online presence, books, etc. are supposed to be satire (in which case the point is lost on his supporters)…..no.

  • busterggi

    Raping women = hunting turkey out of season, its legal if its in your back yard? These guys really love the ladies.

  • samgardner

    Yes, Gretchen, my intent was actually to show why the satire claim was patently false. For it to actually be satire, he would have to not be an MRA.

  • Numenaster

    And they say WE’RE the ones who think men are contemptible.

  • enki23

    I boggle at anyone attempting to classify this as satire. Satire isn’t writing a stronger version of what you already are on record saying. No. The only thing this contemptible piece of filth could possibly be satirizing with this is himself. And that’s pretty damned unlikely, unless this guy’s entire persona is a satire. That would make this guy’s online existence a commitment to a ghastly performance art deep and weird enough to make Andy Kaufman look like a piker.

  • http://thorgolucky.com/ ThorGoLucky

    Is Roosh Vorek a ghetto of a guy?

  • http://drx.typepad.com Dr X

    This gives me an idea. Let’s make murder legal everywhere. Make it legal on private and public property. Then people will guard their lives like women guard their iPhones and their purses. The murder rate will plunge.

  • http://atheist-faq.com Jasper of Maine

    Doesn’t most rape happen on private property? By people the person already knows, and often trusts?

  • Anri

    It’s not satire, it’s hyperbole. He’s suggesting what he believes is a reasonable result (women taking some/most/all of the blame for being raped) by positing an extreme solution (legalizing rape). I suspect he’s smart enough to recognize that the ‘solution’ won’t fly, but thinks it makes an effective lever to get women thinking about their role in being raped.

    Of course, he’s wrong, but he’s an MRA – ah, I repeat myself.

    – – –

    One of the (many) things that has confused me about the MRA movement is that to them, if a feminist were to suggest that men are uncontrollably rapacious aggressor penises, that would be considered the very worst misandry, whereas if the MRA suggests the same thing, it’s a Heroic Stand Against Feminizing Societal Norms.

  • scienceavenger

    @35 That’s a feature, not a bug.

  • eric

    Re: the satire claim. I’m guessing Roosh’s followers were using the following definition:

    Sincere (noun): any statement of his that gains public approval.

    Satire (noun): any statement of his that gains public disapproval.

  • caseloweraz

    I would guess it’s no surprise to anyone here that his 14 books are generally popular with Amazon customers. I won’t post the list, but the majority of them earned 3.0 stars or higher, and his first — Bang (2007) scored 4.5 with 429 reviews.

  • zmidponk

    Counter-proposal: Rape is legal on private property. But so is non-consensual castration.

    That way, in much the same way that a woman has to ‘take responsibility for their actions’ and ‘protect her body in the same manner that she protects her purse and smartphone’, a man has to ‘take responsibility for their actions’ and ‘protect his balls in the same manner that he protects his wallet and smartphone’.

  • lorn

    Soooooo … If this idiot was raped on private property he wouldn’t complain? Hmmm …

  • escuerd

    Is there something clinically wrong with this guy or something? If not, does that mean it’s okay to eat him if you can lure him onto your property?

  • cry4turtles

    It’s a wonder the GOP hasn’t said, “You legalize rape, we’ll legalize marijuana.”

  • herpaderp

    “Yes, Gretchen, my intent was actually to show why the satire claim was patently false. For it to actually be satire, he would have to not be an MRA.”

    That’s great. He isn’t.

  • Nick Gotts

    herpaderp@44,

    Roosh may call himself a PUA rather than an MRA, but since the two groups have the same misogynist, rape apologist beliefs and attitudes, it’s a distinction without a difference.

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