Staver: Obama Causing God to Curse America

Mat Staver, the dumbest lawyer in America not named Larry Klayman, says that American values “came out of Israel” and that because Obama is not supportive of Israel (by which he means not supportive of the right-wing thug currently running that country), God is now “cursing” America.

“Our Judeo-Christian history connects us together, connects us to Israel and the Jewish people,” Staver said. “That’s where our Judeo-Christian history was born and birthed. That’s how Western Civilization was shaped, because of the Bible and the values that came out of Israel. And this president is doing everything he can to walk away from Israel.”

“You know, Genesis 12 says ‘I will bless those who bless you,’ referring to the offspring of Abraham, which is Israel, ‘and I will curse them who curse you,'” he continued. “The president is bringing curses upon America by ultimately walking away from Israel. I think that it is dangerous to not respect and protect our best ally.”

I picture God sitting in heaven with a boiling cauldron, casting spells and curses. Or poking pins into an Obama voodoo doll. As for this “Judeo-Christian” nonsense phrase, it’s particularly funny to me when it’s used in discussing “American values” and the Constitution. There were only a few thousand Jews in the entire country at the time and the Christian churches were almost uniformly bigoted against them. Christian pastors railed against the No Religious Test clause in the Constitution because it meant a Jew could be elected to office and then, one suggested, the army might be put to work rebuilding the temple in Jerusalem. There is no more absurd phrase than “Judeo-Christian.”

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  • blf

    There is no more absurd phrase than “Judeo-Christian.”

    “Western Civilization”?

  • John Pieret

    “There is no more absurd phrase than “Judeo-Christian.”

    “Western Civilization”?

    Not absurd … Like Gandhi, I think it would be a good idea.

  • eric

    That’s how Western Civilization was shaped, because of the Bible and the values that came out of Israel.

    He does realize that the land now termed Israel wasn’t predominantly Jewish for most of the formation of western civilization, right? And that when Christians were in charge of that land, they tended to try and eliminate the Jews in it? During the first crusade, western Christian forces specifically targeted the Jewish city of Haifa to “free” it, and in most other places the Jews fought alongside the Muslims to prevent their populations from being killed or exiled.

  • alanb

    I just looked up the provenance of that Gandhi quote and learned that it is “disputed” — i.e. he probably didn’t say it. Am sad now.

  • colnago80

    I have to take exception with the characterization of Bibi as a “thug”. He is certainly a liar but, compared with the other denizens in the Middle East (e.g. Bashar Assad), thug he ain’t. Now there are people in Israel who can be characterized as “thugs” (e.g. Baruch Marzel who is a chip off his old block, Meir Kahane) but Bibi is too much of a chickenshit to qualify.

  • John Pieret

    I just looked up the provenance of that Gandhi quote and learned that it is “disputed”

    I seem to remember having seen a newsreel in which he said it but my memory may be playing tricks on me … again.

  • k_machine

    Obama is not supportive of Israel

    To the tune of billions of dollars in aid

  • Kevin Kehres

    Well, he’s RIGHT!

    God is cursing the US right now, even as we speak, by allowing all of those federal judges to do away with prohibitions against gay marriage.

    Couldn’t be clearer.

    /s

  • matty1

    Not supportive means “Obama doesn’t constantly urge Israel to launch all out war on the Muslims in order to get Jesus to come back and destroy both sides”

  • dugglebogey

    Oh the curse of being the wealthiest and most comfortable culture in the HISTORY OF HUMAN EXISTENCE. What will god do to us next? Free ipads for everyone?

  • http://www.facebook.com/den.wilson d.c.wilson

    I thought teh gays were causing God to curse America.

  • matty1

    Anyone remember when it was a terrible, terrible thing for Jeremiah Wright to say “God damn America” in relation to a history of slavery and racism?

  • raven

    That’s how Western Civilization was shaped, because of the Bible and the values that came out of Israel.

    False statement.

    The roots of Western Civilization are many and varied. One key invention was agriculture by many Middle Eastern cultures long before the Jews even existed. Followed by the working of metals, also from a variety of cultures.

    Then Greece, Rome, and following eventually, Christianity. There was a lot of input from Pagans both Mediterranean and Northern European.

    We also invented ourselves with the Renaissance and Enlightenment and notably the Age of Science. Look around you. What is everywhere? Stuff that does things, cars, vacuum cleaners, cell phones, lawn mowers, radios, TV, CD music players, computers, internet, etc..

    I’m sure xianity contributed something. Hmmm, not sure what though. I really can’t think of much positive. Gay hate? Supporting slavery? Subjugating women? Burninng scholars at the stake i.e. Bruno and Tynsdale? Genociding heretics?

    Some say the greatest contribution of xianity was prevening the Mongols and Moslems from overrunning Europe. Maybe but the Germanic and Roman Pagans weren’t exactly pushovers ever.

  • eric

    @13 (and in counterpoint to my own @3): I’m now thinking Staver has a point. Between around 800 and 1200 AD we did learn a lot of math and science ideas etc… from the people who lived in the land termed Israel (among other places). Those ideas have had a hand in shaping our western culture. I suspect, however, that Staver may not be thinking of the people I’m thinking of…

  • http://festeringscabofrealityblogspot.com fifthdentist

    Genocide? Check.

    Hatred of “the other”? Check.

    Mindless obsequience to an immoral sky monster? Check.

    Belief in a talking snake? Check.

    Belief that we’re a special people chosen by the maker of the universe as superior who are justified in committing any act in his name or at his bidding.

    Eagerness to commit violence against anyone or anything perceived to be at odds with your immoral sky monster? Check.

    Belief that everything that happens in the world is about you? Check.

    Hey, looks like fundie-American values did come out of Israel.

  • blf

    I seem to remember having seen a newsreel in which [Gandhi] said it but my memory may be playing tricks on me … again.

    A useful resource is The Quote Investigator. On Gandhi’s alleged quote:

    [T]he current evidence supporting the quotation’s attribution to Mohandas Gandhi is weak. The earliest known appearance of the exchange is almost twenty years after the death of Gandhi. The words apparently can be traced back to a television documentary, and the article in the Seattle Times about the program employed the equivocal phrase: “was reported to have answered”. Also, the later claim made by Schumacher is flawed.

    That “later claim by Schumacher” does involve a film, quite possibility a newsreel:

    In 1979 a variant of the quotation was given in a book by the prominent economic thinker E. F. Schumacher. The phrase “modern civilization” was used instead of “Western civilization” in the statement attributed to Gandhi. Schumacher stated that he saw the dialog on film, but researchers have so far been unable to locate this film footage:

    Recently I saw a film of Gandhi when he came to England in 1930. He disembarked in Southampton and on the gangway he was already overwhelmed by journalists asking questions. One of them asked, “Mr. Gandhi, what do you think of modern civilization?” And Mr. Gandhi said, “That would be a good idea.” …

    Quotation expert Ralph Keyes has noted discrepancies in the account of Schumacher:

    Gandhi did not visit England in 1930. He did attend a roundtable conference on India’s future in London the following year. Standard biographies of Gandhi do not report his making any such quip as he disembarked.

  • grumpyoldfart

    The sad thing is that tens of millions of ratbag Americans will agree with every word Staver says – and they’re the relatively clever ones! The dumb Americans have got even sillier ideas.

  • StevoR

    “Our Judeo-Christian history connects us together, connects us to Israel and the Jewish people,” Staver said. “That’s where our Judeo-Christian history was born and birthed.

    Israel founded 1948. The United States of America 1776.

    I think there may be a slight chronological problem here.

    O’course the ancient kingdom of Israel – and its older counterpart Judea and the Jewish people have been around for thousands of years more, ’bout five thousand or so – but still.

    Israel and the Jewish contributions to US and world history are important. No doubting that. Yet Staver is still wrong in a lot of ways.

    “There is no more absurd phrase than “Judeo-Christian.”

    Oh c’mon, Ed Brayton, there are plenty of more absurd phrases! The right-wingers keep giving you more every day ..

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=523300770 stuartsmith

    I’m curious… I keep reading right wingers referring to Israel as America’s ‘best ally’. and it confuses me. I’m aware that the US provides them with money, weapons, and military protection, but I’m somewhat hazy on what Israel actually gives to the US apart from enemies. Surely your BEST ally would be one that does a lot for you while asking little in return?

  • colnago80

    Re stuartsmith @ #19

    Among other things, they supply us with excellent intelligence on the goings on in the Middle East.

  • blf

    Among other things, they supply us with excellent intelligence on the goings on in the Middle East.

    This is like saying Russia supplies the best information on Ukraine.

  • StevoR

    @ ^ blf : Um, who does Russia supply that intel to exactly?

  • StevoR

    Oh & see also :

    http://www.levitt.com/news/2005/08/04/57-contributions-israel-has-made-to-the-world/

    “57 Contributions Israel Has Made to the World” there are of course more.

  • dingojack

    Stevo – let’s look at just one of those claims:

    “16.Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East. The per capita income in 2000 was over $17,500, exceeding that of the United Kingdom.”

    Per Capita Income (Nominal USD), 2013.

    UK $39,372; Israel $36,926 (World Economic Outlook Database-October 2014. IMF)

    UK $39,351; Israel $36,151 (World Development Indicators database. Updated 1 July 2014. World Bank)

    UK $39,600; Israel $35,400 (GDP/Population and round to nearest $100. The World Factbook, Central Intelligence Agency)

    UK $42,423; Israel $37,704 (National Accounts Main Aggregates Database, December 2013. UN Statistics Division)

    Per Capita Income (PPP USD), 2013

    UK $36,208; Israel $32,717 (Proj. Est. World Economic Outlook Database, October 2014.IMF)

    UK $38,452; Israel $32,760 (GDP per capita, PPP (current international USD), WDI database-Oct 2014. World Bank)

    UK $37,300; Israel $36,200 (To nearest $100. The World Factbook, Central Intelligence Agency).

    That point was the easiest to cross-check for general accuracy.

    Dingo

  • dingojack

    Taking GINI into account:

    2013 Per Capita (Nominal USD) [GNI per capita, Atlas method (current US$), The World Bank, April 2014]

    UK $41,680; Israel $33,930 (by contrast Qatar $86,390; Kuwait $45,930; UAE $38,360)

    2013 Per Capita (PPP Int’l USD) [World Development Indicators database. September 2014. World Bank]

    UK $35,760; Israel $32,140 (by contrast Qatar $123,860; Kuwait $88,160; UAE $58,090; Saudi Arabia $53,780; Oman $52,170; Bahrain $36,140)

    Dingo

  • StevoR

    @ ^ Dingojack : Well note the figure was for 2000 and NOT 2013. Economic figures always have and will shift around and change anyhow.

    Oh and that’s just one of fifty seven (plus plenty more possible) examples. Basically its silly, unfair and arguably Judaeophobic to say or imply that Israel has contributed nothing or even only very little to the world incl. the USA generally.

  • dingojack

    Stevo —

    a) I doubt the two economies have changed much, relative to each other, over that 13 year period.*

    b) When even a cursory check shows up basic errors of fact…

    b) Are you seriously accusing the IMF, World Bank, CIA & the UN of being ‘anti-semitic’?

    Dingo

    ———

    * Wikipedia entry for GDP per capita (Nominal in USD):

    2000 UK $25,415; Israel $21,858 (compared to UAE $34,689 & Qatar $29,914). claimed source.

    GDP per capita (PPP USD):

    2000 UK $24,906; Israel $21,335 (as opposed to Qatar $89,903; UAE $86,156; Kuwait $54,240; Bahrain $35,624; Oman $31,150; Saudi Arabia $30,002). claimed source.