Staver Reveals the Real Reason for Opposing Equality

Mat Staver, the dumbest lawyer in America not named Larry Klayman, inadvertently revealed what I think is one of the core reasons — the real reasons, not the pretexts — why he and others are so virulently opposed to same-sex marriage: They’re afraid it will turn their kids gay.

Marriage equality, he said on the conservative radio show “Point of View,” might even lure children into homosexuality.

“It also changes everything in the school when they begin to learn not just about same-sex relationships, but about same-sex activities,” Staver said. “They ultimately get encouraged to pursue this kind of lifestyle. They have gender confusion when young boys naturally are gravitating towards one another and young girls towards one another, if you now inject the same-sex sexual activity into the school curriculum, it will suggest to them and ultimately push them on a road of experimentation where they might engaged in same-sex activity.”

Along with their religious beliefs and EWWWWW, I think this is one of the three real reasons for opposition to marriage equality. These people really do believe that being gay is so incredibly alluring, such a powerful temptation, that if you treat gay people as human beings with equal rights, their children will find it impossible to resist. If they don’t punish gay people at every opportunity through discrimination and dehumanization, they’re afraid their sons will immediately drop to their knees and fellate the first man they see. And the thought of one their children being gay is absolutely terrifying to them.

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  • Chiroptera

    I suspect that underneath the literal phrasing (which Ed dissects here) is a hidden fear: as more and more gay people come out and live normal lives and are clearly normal people, and as more and more normal people come out and openly admit to being gay, as the stigma against being gay lessens and disappears, then there is less and less incentive for gay people (probably including their children) to try to force themselves to be non-gay.

  • wreck

    They think that being gay is a choice. Yet if asked if they personally could possibly choose to be gay themselves, the wingnuts will generally ignore the question because the implications are so horrifying to them. But it still won’t dawn on them that maybe it is not a choice that people make. The mind boggles.

  • U Frood

    boys naturally gravitate towards one another? I thought the party line was that it was utterly unnatural and a choice.

  • John Pieret

    wreck:

    Yet if asked if they personally could possibly choose to be gay themselves, the wingnuts will generally ignore the question because the implications are so horrifying to them.

    You can watch Bryan Fischer going through the process here:

    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/bryan-fischer-will-not-have-sex-man

  • cptdoom

    These people really do believe that being gay is so incredibly alluring, such a powerful temptation, that if you treat gay people as human beings with equal rights, their children will find it impossible to resist.

    At the risk of being trite, that’s because so many of them have faced this “struggle” in their own lives. Not that every anti-gay activist is secretly gay, but there have been enough scandals at this point to confirm there is a significant percentage that are likely either gay or bi in their own lives. They’ve successfully “controlled” their urges, so they expect everyone else with them can and should do the same.

    And their fear, I believe, is not just that their kids might be gay. If same-sex couples are publicly acknowledged and show themselves to be no different than any other couples – able to have productive relationships and raise decent children – then their self-sacrifice is for nothing. If it is really true that being gay does not bring down the wrath of their god and destroy lives, then all their activism, all the “struggle” to resist their natural urges, were a waste of time, and no one wants to learn that.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Yes, us Conservatives are afraid of our Good Christian Sons and Daughters catching homosexuality. I mean, sure, it’s righteous and fun to marginalize The Gays and, in better days gone by, treat them like shit, but if we had to treat our kids that way we might feel a little bad about it. It might even lead us to reexamine our beliefs in the light of personal experience with those with whom we empathize and, I think we can all agree, that’s something we can’t allow to occur.

  • eric

    @6: sadly, they seem to go ahead and treat their own gay kids like cap much of the time. Some times you get some reevaluation or at least Cheney-esque hypocrisy. But if more conservatives were like your parody and actually felt bad about it, we might be better off.

    These people really do believe that being gay is so incredibly alluring, such a powerful temptation, that if you treat gay people as human beings with equal rights, their children will find it impossible to resist.

    We must give credit where it’s due: conservative religion props up the bigotry not only with a bunch of (albeit selective) bible passages, but because it provides a solution to the paradox of claiming homosexuality is simultaneously unnatural/absormal and yet alluring. Satan.

    The experiences of other more liberal countries are very interesting to me, as the SSM rate has settled down into a fairly conservative/low estimate of homosexuality in the population I.e. it accounts for 1-2% of marriages. IOW not only does nobody get converted when SSM is legalized, but we shouldn’t expect SSM to even produce a massive number of older adults coming out of the closet.

  • Loqi

    Funny. I have a several close LGBT friends (actually, no strictly lesbian or gay friends – everyone is either pansexual or “mostly straight, but…”). Yet I haven’t been “lured” anywhere. I don’t have even a passing interest in experimentation, despite attempting to foster one (why immediately eliminate around half the population from the dating pool? Seems irrational). It’s almost as if I’m straight or something.

  • Chiroptera

    My gay friends lured me to their wedding. They were successful because they promised me…wait for it…there’d be cake.

  • laurentweppe

    They’re afraid it will turn their kids gay.

    No: they’re afraid it will convince their gay kids that they don’t need to enter miserable loveless marriage where they force themselves to have intercourse with spouses they have no chemistry with in order to beget heirs who will carry on the bloodline.

  • Al Dente

    Chiroptera @9

    So the cake was not a lie.

  • Trebuchet

    My gay friends lured me to their wedding. They were successful because they promised me…wait for it…there’d be cake.

    Probably some poor Christian baker was forced at gunpoint by Obama to bake it.

  • notruescott

    “some poor Christian baker was forced at gunpoint ”

    And is therefore going to burn in hell.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Hell’s Bakers was my motorcycle gang. We were as tough as we were delicious, and we were plenty delicious.