Idaho Republican Thinks Parents Can Kill Their Children

What the hell is it with Idaho Republicans? First we have the guy who thinks swallowed pills go to the vagina, now we’ve got another Republican state legislator literally endorsing the right of parents to murder their kids. This was said in opposition to a bill that would require parents to provide medical care to their children rather than faith healing when their life is threatened:

An Idaho Republican said a proposed ban on faith-healing could violate the religious rights of her constituents – many of whom eschew medical care for themselves and their families.

“They have a clear understanding of what the role of government should be – (and it) isn’t how to tell me how to live my life,” said state Rep. Christy Perry (R-Nampa).

Legislation limiting a faith exemption for medical care in the state’s child neglect law was proposed after a string of preventable child deaths in Marsing among members of the Followers of Christ Church…

“Children do die,” Perry said. “I’m not trying to sound callous, but (reformers) want to act as if death is an anomaly. But it’s not — it’s a way of life.”

The lawmaker said most of the calls for reform she’s received have come from out of state.

“As you move out West, we tend to be much more independent people, and Idaho is a lot like that,” Perry said, adding that her district was particularly anti-government.

“(Followers of Christ) do not look to the government to help them at all,” she continued. “They’re very self-sufficient and know how to take care of themselves. In Canyon County, people hunt to feed their families, they fish, (and) they grow their own food.”

Perry said faith healers are caring parents who simply trust in God’s will.

“They are comforted by the fact that they know their child is in heaven,” Perry said. “If I want to let my child be with God, why is that wrong?”

Are you fucking kidding me? By that “reasoning” a parent could kill their child outright because they want to “let their child be with God” so “why is that wrong?” And can you imagine that this idiot’s response would be if a woman seeking an abortion made that argument? It doesn’t apply to fetuses, only to actual children.

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  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    …eschew…

    Gesundheit.

  • tbp1

    I’m betting he’s opposed to removing a featureless blob of cells, months away from developing anything resembling human form and a nervous system, though.

    And who is he kidding about people in the west being more independent.? They may think that, but those states would dry up and blow away without all kinds of federal programs. (I’m actually starting to think rural electrication and water projects were a bad idea, since they encouraged more people to move there than the land can carry in the long run, but that doesn’t change the fact that without these projects, there wouldn’t be nearly as many people able to live there now).

  • daved

    @2

    And who is he kidding about people in the west being more independent.?

    She, not he, as it happens. Not that that makes it any better.

  • http://composer99.blogspot.ca composer99

    Perry may not have been trying to sound callous, but whatever her intent, she sounded callous enough.

  • Mike

    From her website:

    “Christy is a pro life mother and grandmother and emphasizes her honor and value of all human life, born and unborn. Christy Perry is an ardent supporter of defending each child’s right to life.”

  • Loqi

    If I want to let my child be with God, why is that wrong?

    If you want to go be with god, be my guest. But sending other people to “be with god” is murder, you fucking monster.

  • raven

    Some states are tightening up their laws on child murder but they are still a minority.

    The child death rate 0 to 18 among faith healers runs around 25%, worse than much of the Third World. It’s at least 25X higher than the US average.

  • raven

    “They have a clear understanding of what the role of government should be – (and it) isn’t how to tell me how to live my life,” said state Rep. Christy Perry (R-Nampa).

    Chances are this woman is anti-abortion, anti-birth control, anti-Same Sex Marriage, and anti-legalization of marijuana. In other words, a total hypocrite.

    “(Followers of Christ) do not look to the government to help them at all,” she continued. “

    This is completely irrelevant babbling. The vast majority of us don’t look to the government to help us at all. In fact, most of us pay taxes to…help the government.

    It still doesn’t mean we can kill our kids. What an idiot.

  • raven

    “They are comforted by the fact that they know their child is in heaven,” Perry said. “If I want to let my child be with God, why is that wrong?”

    As Mike says in #5, this woman is anti-abortion. Using her reasoning, abortion is a supremely moral act. The longer you live, the more chances you have to screw up, and get sent to hell to be tortured forever.

    Total hypocrite.

  • caseloweraz

    Christy Perry: “(Followers of Christ) do not look to the government to help them at all,” she continued. “They’re very self-sufficient and know how to take care of themselves. In Canyon County, people hunt to feed their families, they fish, (and) they grow their own food.”

    She went on to describe how a volunteer crew was out plowing the town’s roads after every snowfall, restoring damaged roadways when necessary. “We rebuild our roads every spring,” she stated proudly, “put in our own telephone and ‘lectric lines, water and sewer, everything.” Even as she spoke to this reporter, a cruise missile came into view. Several men dashed out of the church building, set up a portable battle laser, and brought it down. Perry gave a look that said, “told you we help ourselves.”

  • lldayo

    I have a hard time grasping the fact that these people rely on faith healing and when it fails, indicating nothing’s helping the healing, they still think there’s some heaven in which their children went to. If their deity didn’t help them there how do they still subscribe to the idea that it even exists? I guess when they’re not hunting, fishing or growing their own food they’re not taking any logic classes.

    there their they’re

  • Chiroptera

    .. (and it) isn’t how to tell me how to live my life….

    Maybe this person can get together with that Wyoming legislator who suggested adding pedophiles to that state’s anti-discrimination statute? I know I wouldn’t want to be telling people how to live their lives.

    Anyway this isn’t about telling anyone how to live their life. It’s preventing someone from taking a harmful action (or inaction, I guess) that has terrible consequences to a different person’s life.

  • atheisted

    The Religious Reich doesn’t care. I took a good look at this shit and wrote this;

    Religious Freedom. When faith overcomes common sense and even posted it in a bible belt forum. With no response.

    More recently,Hemant Mehta has this;University of Scranton President Wants to Eliminate Abortion Coverage for Life-Threatening Pregnancies that boils down to “Better a dead woman AND a dead fetus then just a dead fetus”. It’s all appearance to these people. Like standing in a garage and pretending you’re a car.

  • http://artk.typepad.com ArtK

    @lldayo

    It’s actually very easy to grasp once you understand something basic about prayer. If prayer doesn’t work, it’s because you aren’t worthy, or God has some other plan, or Satan. Since the existence and beneficence of God is an indisputable given, that’s the only explanation that they can handle.

    God is a great gig. Everything good gets credited to you and everything bad gets charged to someone else. Heads He wins, tails you lose.

  • anubisprime

    “Children do die,” Perry said. “I’m not trying to sound callous”

    Ahh but you are and most certainly a fuckin’ homicidal moron as well as being a champion in the callous stakes.

    Especially when that child could have been literally ‘saved’ by modern medicine.

    Your endorsement of child murder should be your epitaph and it should haunt you until your dying day, but being such a dumb fuck I doubt you actually have a conscience…Wasted space is more useful.

  • EnlightenmentLiberal

    Perry said faith healers are caring parents who simply trust in God’s will.

    “They are comforted by the fact that they know their child is in heaven,” Perry said. “If I want to let my child be with God, why is that wrong?”

    Wow. Just wow. I have no words.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Look, there are more important things than getting children medical care, like staying right with your imaginary friend.

  • Callinectes

    Death, by definition, is not a way of life.

  • moarscienceplz

    Idaho state motto:

    Kill Everything and Let God Sort ‘Em Out.

  • lorn

    As I understand it, the legal precedent, I’m told it’s rooted in British common law, is that the state has primary control, guardianship, and final say as to what is best for the children. This is moderated only by the long tradition of the state customarily handing the children over to their biological parents until such time as the parents demonstrate that they are no longer suitable as guardians.

    This precedent under girds the state’s removal of children from unfit parents or dangerous situations. The state is not interrupting the biological parents rights. It is exercising its primacy.

  • anubisprime

    lorn @ 25

    The state is not interrupting the biological parents rights. It is exercising its primacy

    Well there seems to be an argument that posits that maybe , just maybe…the state should do a damn sight more exercising of their primacy…again… jus’ sayin’

  • anubisprime

    @ 21…

    Should be lorn @20

  • Lady Mondegreen

    but (reformers) want to act as if death is an anomaly. But it’s not — it’s a way of life.”

    There you have it. For these people, death is a way of life.

    Particularly the premature deaths of their children.

  • maddog1129

    So much for the sanctity of life.

  • raven

    As I understand it, the legal precedent, I’m told it’s rooted in British common law, is that the state has primary control, guardianship, and final say as to what is best for the children.

    Never heard that. Although I haven’t looked too hard.

    What I’ve heard:

    1. Children are considered legal human beings.

    2. Children are considered US citizens.

    3. As such they have human and US legal rights including,…the right to live and grow up to be an adult!!! Parents are required to feed, shelter, educate, and provide medical care for their children.

    4. They aren’t considered property much less the parent’s property.

    It’s true that in the bible women and children are property of a male i.e. “chattel”. Along with hundreds of other rules that we don’t recognize. And that is why US law has nothing to do with biblical law except to throw people in prison for practicing…biblical law.

  • D. C. Sessions

    I take it that Deuteronomy 30:15 is one of those “Old Testament” things that got “fulfilled” so they don’t have to (as the Jews put it) Pikuach nefesh?

  • NYC atheist

    Idaho receives about $1.17 in federal money for every dollar it pays in taxes, costing the federal government about 14.87 million dollars annually. Tell me again how you don’t look to the government for help.

  • dingojack

    Our Feckless Leader has follow Barak Obama in calling ISIL a ‘death cult’, perhaps they should look closer to home?

    Dingo

  • wreck

    “Children do die,” Perry said. “I’m not trying to sound callous, but (reformers) want to act as if death is an anomaly. But it’s not — it’s a way of life.”

    “They are comforted by the fact that they know their child is in heaven,” Perry said. “If I want to let my child be with God, why is that wrong?”

    Disgusting. Just completely fucking disgusting. This is monstrous. I could not even contemplate not doing everything possible to save the life of one of my children. People like this make me wish there was a hell for them to spend eternity in as retribution for their complete lack of regard for their children.

  • http://festeringscabofrealityblogspot.com fifthdentist

    On the bright side, the Republicans have finally rolled out their replacement plan for Obamacare:

    Everybody who gets really sick prays for healing. In addition to praying, those with the money to afford health insurance get to go to actual hospitals and receive actual medical care from actual doctors and nurses.

    Free Market Jesus takes care of the rest.

  • dingojack

    So let’s see. In 1970 the US population was 203,211,926.

    Assume 10% are Fundies: 20,321,193.

    Assume 1/3 are children: 6,773,731.

    Assume 25% die from negligence. 1,693,433 deaths, or 0.83333% of the total population.

    That’s about 10,571,961 (cumulatively to 2015) children who ‘went to god’ through neglect.

    How come Fundies aren’t protesting this loss of innocent lives?

    Dingo

  • http://festeringscabofrealityblogspot.com fifthdentist

    Statewide, about one in every seven Idahoans is on federal food stamps, but in some counties, the rate is significantly higher.

    According to data recorded by the Idaho Department of Health and Welfare and the U.S. Census Bureau,Canyon County is leading the state in food stamp use among its residents. In December, 44,286 of the county’s 188,923 residents used food stamps, for a rate of 23.4 percent.

    http://idahoreporter.com/canyon-county-leads-the-state-in-food-stamp-use-per-capita/

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    fifthdentist “Statewide, about one in every seven Idahoans is on federal food stamps, but in some counties, the rate is significantly higher.

    According to data recorded by the Idaho Department of Health and Welfare and the U.S. Census Bureau,Canyon County is leading the state in food stamp use among its residents. In December, 44,286 of the county’s 188,923 residents used food stamps, for a rate of 23.4 percent.”

    Thanks, Obama!

  • thebookofdave

    I’m not trying to sound callous, but (reformers) want to act as if death is an anomaly.

    They are comforted by the fact that they know their child is in heaven

    I don’t want to cheapen the value of human life, but my supporters who believe that it’s an infinite resource don’t need a nanny state telling them they can’t have the right to throw it away carelessly.

  • dingojack

    82 kids dead of Fundie neglect since I last posted at 9:37pm. And hear the tumult over of the loss of so many innocent children from the RRNJ echo-chamber: *crickets*.

    Dingo

  • reddiaperbaby1942

    I’m just waiting for her to say something like “My comments were taken out of context.”

  • anubisprime

    What is it about xtianity that makes people so fuckin’ stupid, functionally ignorant, crass, pompous, amoral, ethically challenged, homocidal and fatuous?

    It is a mystery as to why the shallow end of the gene pool always seeks to drench the rest in such inhuman and barbaric toxic sludge…?…It is anti-social in the extreme.

    The fuckers should be rounded up and left to rot in a FEMA camp…

  • http://umlud.blogspot.com umlud

    2. Children are considered US citizens.

    Now, I’m not a lawyer, but I’m pretty sure that you’re wrong on this point. Children are only considered US citizens if they are born within the territory of the United States or – if born outside the US – are born to a citizen (or citizens) of the United States (so long as said citizen(s) lived a certain amount of time in the US). If you’re born over the border, you’re not a US citizen. If you’re born to a US citizen who didn’t live long enough in the US during the correct periods of their life, then you’re not a US citizen.

    Again, I’m not a lawyer, but I’m pretty sure that the vast majority of US legal rights are not subject to being a US citizen. As far as I understand it, the only ones that are curtailed deal with the right to vote and the right to run for office (and US-citizen children are barred from these rights anyway, due to these rights having age restrictions). In contract, the right to free speech, protections against government overreach, bear arms (yes, foreigners can own gus, too!), etc. are – supposedly – equally applied to citizens and non-citizens alike who find themselves within the territories of the US.

    But I could well be the one who’s wrong. Perhaps all children – regardless of their parentage and place of birth – are considered US citizens by the US government. (If so, someone had best tell this to the conservatives who want to “deport them back to Mexico.”)

  • fishnguy

    I live in Idaho…such a beautiful state, such ignorant folks. The belief in the magic is strong here, but the consequences of those beliefs not so magical for the living.

  • abb3w

    @20, lorn

    As I understand it, the legal precedent, I’m told it’s rooted in British common law, is that the state has primary control, guardianship, and final say as to what is best for the children. This is moderated only by the long tradition of the state customarily handing the children over to their biological parents until such time as the parents demonstrate that they are no longer suitable as guardians.

    I’m not a lawyer, but I don’t think that’s accurate.

    Back in Roman times, such authority was not held by the state, but by the Pater familias; and in the early Republic, this apparently was up to and including authority for capital punishment. However, in later days, this authority was first circumscribed against by custom and eventually prohibited by Imperial Edict. The idea of the monarch/state as the ultimate parent is tied in the concept of Parens patriae, which developed later in English case law circa 1600 or so; writings by Hobbes and other philosophers may have helped shaped the concept further. (I’m not familiar with intermediate developments 500-1500 AD; feel free to research.) As such, the development would seem to be the other way around — the parents’ authority is presumptive, but the state serves as indisputably available guardian of last resort when it can affirmatively show that all other candidates are variously incompetent.

  • doublereed

    @38

    From what I understand, that’s mostly correct, except that illegal immigration is usually a civil offense, not a criminal one. That means that a lot of the rights that you have in criminal proceedings don’t necessarily apply (like 4th amendment protections).

  • dingojack

    abb3w – Roman Law isn’t really as applicable to English Law as it is to French. English Common Law started in the last decade of the 12th century under Henry II and was more heavily influenced by Saxon/Viking ideas. There was a much more community based culture as opposed to the French Family oriented practice. Or that’s my reading…

    Dingo