Barton: God Will Not Allow An AIDS Vaccine

David Barton is always discovering these nuggets in the Bible and extrapolating them to apply them to modern situations, often to hilarious effect. But here’s a testable claim. He thinks the Bible says that we will never have an AIDS vaccine because AIDS is punishment on gay people.

Citing Romans 1, which declares that “men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved,” Barton said that God will never allow a cure to be found for AIDS because that would eliminate the “penalty” that is due for engaging in such behavior.

“Anything the Bible says is right, there is scientific basis for it now,” Barton said. “The federal government, in the last several years, has spent tens of billions of dollars looking for a vaccine for AIDS and I don’t think they will ever find a vaccine for HIV/AIDS. And I say that based on a particular Bible verse … Notice this, homosexuals receive in their bodies the penalty due them. The Bible says if you engage in homosexuality, your body will do things that will penalize you. So if you can have a vaccine for AIDS, then you’re keeping your body from penalizing you. I don’t think they’ll ever find a vaccine for AIDS.”

A few questions come to mind:

1. So why did God allow us to develop anti-retroviral drugs and treatments like Truvada that are incredibly effective at preventing the spread of HIV and helping those who do get infected to live long and healthier lives?

2. Why doesn’t this apply to women? Lesbians have the lowest incidence of HIV infection of any group, but that’s homosexuality too. So why aren’t their bodies penalizing them for their terrible sin? Maybe because even God likes a little hot girl-on-girl action?

3. When we do create a vaccine for HIV, and we’re getting closer and closer to doing so, you’ll be publicly admitting that the Bible was wrong and leaving Christianity, right? Right?

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  • Reginald Selkirk

    “Anything the Bible says is right, there is scientific basis for it now,” Barton said.

    That’s why insects have four legs. Lev 11:21-25

  • cptdoom

    Additional question: If AIDS is punishment for gay men, why are something like 90 – 95% of worldwide cases due to heterosexual sex, maternal/child transmission or the reuse of medical supplies? Collateral damage yet again from a god whose aim is terrible?

  • John Pieret

    Reginald Selkirk:

    Don’t forget that rabbits chew a cud and bats are birds.

    BTW, Warren Throckmorton goes further into Barton’s presentation than the RWW clip does to show how Barton manipulates the evidence to pretend that the only attempt at a vacine has failed.

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/2015/03/02/david-barton-mixes-up-studies-in-effort-to-prove-his-views-on-hiv/

  • raven

    As the second comment mentions, the vast majority of AIDS cases are in…heterosexuals.

    The vast majority are also women and children.

    Barton’s god is an incompetent monster. Since his god is also his sockpuppet, that tells you all you need to know about…David Barton.

  • D. C. Sessions

    Just about every medical advance in the past couple of centuries (i.e. all of those that actually worked) has been opposed on Biblical grounds. One famous example: the complaints of Queen Elizabeth I receiving anaesthesia during childbirth, becuase the Bible orders women to give birth in pain. Also vaccines.

  • grumpyoldfart

    Barton doesn’t believe any of that stuff. It’s his advertising gimmick. He looks for spectacular ways to interpret random bible verses and when he finds something he uses it to publicize his books. He pisses himself laughing when he hears other Christians quoting his nonsense as if it were true. (Trust me. I know about these things)

  • raven

    Groundbreaking HIV vaccine’s effects were real – Aidsmap

    www. aidsmap. com/…HIV-vaccines-effects…be…/2920491/

    Nov 13, 2014 – In its original trial in Thailand, it did prevent four out of ten HIV infections that … happened, but the results observed were only just statistically significant. ….

    Barton is already wrong again.

    There have been many AIDS vaccines trialed. A sophisticated one has been shown to work in clinical trials with statistical significance.

    This vaccine does work, but the consensus is that it doesn’t work well enough for general use. It’s not that critical these days anyway.

    1. There are around 30 anti-HIV drugs targeting different proteins. The treatments are so effective that it is hard to determine how many decades of life they will provide.

    2. The focus is shifting to cures. There has only been one so far. But that may well change in the future.

    Barton’s homicidal Sky Monster god’s will is almost always overruled by human science. Even those lightning bolts were defeated by iron rods and some wire.

  • eric

    The vast majority are also women and children.

    Barton’s god is an incompetent monster.

    What in the bible makes you think that levying collective punishment on the surrounding women and children is due to incompetence? Biblically, that’s often part of the plan.

  • Pierce R. Butler

    … Queen Elizabeth I receiving anaesthesia during childbirth…

    Ahem. Liz I never received anesthesia, but that was not a problem since, sfawk, she never had a child.

    Victoria was the first queen to get anesthetized for delivery, but she was not Vickie I, and will not be until the Brits are blessed with a Vickie II.

  • raven

    What in the bible makes you think that levying collective punishment on the surrounding women and children is due to incompetence? Biblically, that’s often part of the plan.

    Good question.

    Barton’s sockpuppet god. Evil, incompetent, or both?

    Since Barton is an expert on the made up god that lives only in his head, someone should ask him. I won’t do it because getting near him is a slime risk and I’m not ruining any clothes over this.

  • http://artk.typepad.com ArtK

    Here’s the template for the David Barton Rant Generator:

    [noun] is God’s punishment for [noun-or-verb]! We must destroy all of the [noun]s and/or stop [verb]ing or God will destroy us all. Send more money.

  • Mobius

    So Barton is an idiot. What else is new?

  • Johnny Vector

    Quick, someone tell Monckton! Maybe he’ll threaten to sue Barton for implying that his (Monckton’s) cure for AIDS isn’t real. That would be some awesome rantage.

  • D. C. Sessions

    Ahem. Liz I never received anesthesia

    <facepalm>

    You are, of course, right. I am embarrassed to confess such a stupid error, so I will claim too much blood in the caffeine stream.

  • http://www.gregory-gadow.net Gregory in Seattle

    HIV has posed a lot of problems, starting with the fact that it is not a virus, but a retrovirus.

    Regular viruses burn out quickly: within a month or two of initial infection, your body will have eliminated that cold virus, or flu, or re-exposure to measles or chicken pox, or any of the large number of viruses we get exposed to. Retroviruses burrow into the infected cells and insert a DNA copy of their genetic material into the cell’s DNA, turning it into a retrovirus producing factory. Most vaccines are made by taking regular viruses and crippling them so that the immune system learns to recognize the threat. This crippling process disables about 99% of the viruses, and the very few that are still fully functional will get swept up in the immune system’s initial response. You cannot do that with a retrovirus: if a single retrovirus makes landfall, you have the associated disease. As a result, HIV vaccines cannot simply take the pathogen and cripple it: the antigen must be engineered artificially so that it cannot, ever, cause an infection. Such a vaccine has never before been done. and it is taking a lot of time to figure out how to do this effectively. There are other issues as well that is slowing down development of a vaccine, but this is the biggest one.

    It may also be that the first vaccine goes off in an entirely different route. Another problem with HIV is that most of the “sticky-outy bits” that antibodies attach to are hidden behind a stolen bit of cell wall that it takes when it escapes into the body. The few masts that stick out beyond this cell wall are too far apart for antibodies to latch on to and activate. It was recently announced that researchers were developing a synthetic antibody, one that is effective against viruses and retroviruses with widely spaced masts. Initial animal tests indicate that an injection of these antibodies would be effective for about 4 months; combine with other newish technology allowing for implanted devices to slowly release medication, and the vaccine we get against HIV might involve inserting a pellet under the skin that provides highly effective protection a year or more. It wouldn’t be lifelong immunity, but it would be effective.

    But all this is beside the point: we’re talking about professional liar David Barton. I wouldn’t believe him to tell the correct time.

  • Michael Heath

    It’s well established that David Barton is a serial liar. But what’s he’s doing here has long been a pervasive part of what conservative preachers do. And that’s cherry-pick quotes from the Bible and tie it to a current topic in a manner convenient with how the preacher wants others to behave.

    I point this out because David Barton does not distinguish himself here from his cohorts as much as a reasonable person would assume.

  • Who Cares

    Well he’s right. The search isn’t for a vaccine for AIDS but one for HIV.

    Just don’t tell him he got the wrong acronym, please?

    That said they just completed a test of a vaccine of sorts. Short term animal (macaques) study. Regular attempts to infect treated macaques with S/HIV failed, the control were all S/HIV positive at the end. Technically it isn’t a vaccine since they used a retrovirus to introduce the gen needed to produce the specific anti-body/neutralizer. Abstract claims it is effective for both HIV-1 & HIV-2 strains and SIV.

  • theguy

    “‘Anything the Bible says is right, there is scientific basis for it now,’ Barton said”

    Like genocide, which Bart-shit is justifying. If God created AIDS to kill, then he’s an evil piece of shit worse than any devil that anyone’s ever believed in.

  • kantalope

    Why did it take unit the 1980’s for god to put together this particular scourge on homosexuals anyway? Just too lazy to afflict those in the old testament?

  • http://festeringscabofrealityblogspot.com fifthdentist

    kantalope,

    I think he was having such a problem back in the old days with the iron chariots that he didn’t have time to spend in his laboratory back then working on new methods of inflicting horrible death on the creatures he made and loves.

  • xuuths

    I’ll need a citation for that claim lie: “The federal government, in the last several years, has spent tens of billions of dollars looking for a vaccine for AIDS.”

  • marcus

    Ed: “Maybe because even God likes a little hot girl-on-girl action?”

    This! Because after all, who doesn’t?

  • http://www.gregory-gadow.net Gregory in Seattle

    @marcus #22 –

    Ed: “Maybe because even God likes a little hot girl-on-girl action?”

    This! Because after all, who doesn’t?

    Us gay men, for starters.

  • Kermit Sansoo

    OK, let me see if I can sort this out.

    .

    Not getting AIDS is God’s reward to a woman for being lesbian.

    Getting AIDS in sub-Saharan Africa is a woman’s punishment for “doing her duty” for her husband (i.e. having sex with).

    Getting lung cancer is God’s punishment for smoking cigarettes.

    Having a heart attack is God’s punishment for eating in South Carolina.

    Getting stoned is God’s punishment for smoking weed.

    .

    I’m having trouble with spinal bifida, though. What’s that a punishment for?