Ben Carson Keeps On Digging

After making an egregiously stupid statement that homosexuality is “absolutely” a choice because people go to prison straight and come out gay, Ben Carson took to Facebook to “apologize” and managed to dig the hole even deeper with more absurdity.

In a recent interview on CNN, I realized that my choice of language does not reflect fully my heart on gay issues.

What the fuck does that mean? This is classic religio-babble.

I do not pretend to know how every individual came to their sexual orientation.

Yes you do. When asked if you think homosexuality is a choice you said, and I quote, “absolutely.” You didn’t just pretend to know, you pretended to know it “absolutely.”

I’m a doctor trained in multiple fields of medicine, who was blessed to work at perhaps the finest institution of medical knowledge in the world. Some of our brightest minds have looked at this debate, and up until this point there have been no definitive studies that people are born into a specific sexuality.

You have a medical degree and you have no idea how epigenetics works. Absurd, but unsurprising.

We do know, however, that we are always born male and female.

You’re a doctor and you’ve never heard of intersex people? Hermaphrodites? Klinefelter’s syndrome? About 1% of all people are born with one of several types of non-binary gender (and that’s just looking a genitalia, it doesn’t count those who are transgender), which means there are about 70 million people who were not, in fact, born male or female. Again, we have a medical doctor who claims to know things that are flatly false.

I support human rights and Constitutional protections for gay people, and I have done so for many years. I support civil unions for gay couples, and I have done so for many years. I support the right of individual states to sanction gay marriage, and I support the right of individual states to deny gay marriage in their respective jurisdictions.

Then you don’t have a clue what the word “rights” means. States do not have rights, individuals have rights. And if you actually supported human rights for gay people, you would be against violating those rights no matter what level of government is doing it.

I also think that marriage is a religious institution. Religious marriage is an oath before God and congregation. Religious marriage must only be governed by the church. Judges and government must not be allowed to restrict religious beliefs.

You have it exactly backwards. If marriage was a religious institution, non-religious people would not be allowed to get married. If marriage was a religious institution, only those that the church approves of would be allowed to get married. But in this country, you can get married without any religious component whatsoever. You can be married at a courthouse with religion being completely absent from the proceedings, which proves that marriage is a legal institution. A marriage is not legally recognized unless the government issues a license and the license is then witnessed and returned to the government.

And whether gay people are allowed to get married or not, “religious marriage” is and will remain under the control of the church. No church can be forced to perform a gay wedding, just like they can’t be forced to perform an interracial or interreligious one. But that has nothing to with whether they can actually get married, which is a function of the state, not the church.

And then, because he apparently can’t trust himself not to say something stupid on the subject, he told Sean Hannity he will refuse to answer any question about gay rights from now on:

He added: “I simply have decided I’m not going to really talk about that issue anymore, because every time I gain momentum, the liberal press says, ‘let’s talk about gay rights.’ I’m just not going to fall for that anymore.”

Yeah, you should totally blame it on the person who asks you the question. It must be their fault, not yours for saying something stupid.

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  • felicis

    If marriage were a religious institution, then a gay marriage would be a marriage if *any* church would perform it. For example Quakers, United Church of Christ, Unitarians, Episcopalians… The US Presbyterian Church is heading that way, etc…

    Of course – *my* marriage would not count (our officiant was not of any particular denomination, was not performed in a church, I am an atheist, etc…)

    And ultimately, whether the marriage is recorded by the state is a matter of civil, not church law.

  • MikeMa

    Carson has omentum?

  • MikeMa

    momentum… I need as edit function way too often

  • Michael Heath

    Ben Carson states:

    I support human rights . . .

    I choked on my apple.

    Just another of so many conservative Christians who claim to support a principle when in fact they’re the primary impediment to the exercise of that ideal, e.g., defending the Constitution, caring for the less fortunate, treating ‘the least among us’ in exemplary fashion.

    Their religion indoctrinates them to act out like this; so I shouldn’t be gagging on my food when I read this sort of thing. Especially since this behavior is so pervasive I think it helps define conservative Christianity.

  • llewelly

    Hermaphrodites?

    Actually it’s becoming increasingly rare for people in the medical industry to use the term “Hermaphrodite”, for two important reaons: first of all, in all the rest of biology, it refers to life forms that are simultaneously fertile as both males and females, and that’s at best extremely rare in humans – there are at best a tiny handful of highly debatable examples.

    Perhaps more importantly, nearly all intersex people find the term “Hermaphrodite” insulting.

  • John Pieret

    Bryan Fischer, who had lavishly praised Carson for his prison comment is, predictably, unhappy about Carson’s apology, which Fischer attributes to Carson’s “handler’s”:

    “He may have done fatal damage to his campaign with his apology last night,” Fischer said. “The bottom line is that on homosexuality and maybe on everything else, Ben Carson needs to decide right now whether he is going to listen to God or his handlers. His career is in the balance”

    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/fisher-ben-carson-may-have-done-fatal-damage-his-campaign-apologizing-anti-gay-remarks#sthash.N3EEskd3.dpuf

    As always, “purity” is paramount! Little things like actually getting elected are of no concern at all!

  • http://cheapsignals.blogspot.com Gretchen

    “I simply have decided I’m not going to really talk about that issue anymore, because every time I gain momentum, the liberal press says, ‘let’s talk about gay rights.’ I’m just not going to fall for that anymore.”

    “Every time people start to think I might not be a complete whackjob bigot, the liberal press asks me questions whose answers reveal that I’m a complete whackjob bigot! I’m just not going to fall for that anymore.”

  • sundiver

    This guy’s a neurosurgeon? More like a proctologist; he’s an asshole and a doctor, and a asshole doctor is a proctologist.

  • caseloweraz

    And then, because he apparently can’t trust himself not to say something stupid on the subject, he told Sean Hannity he will refuse to answer any question about gay rights from now on…

    Sure! That’s one of those “trap” questions the “librul media” likes (sic) to throw at people — like asking Sarah Palin which newspapers she reads.

  • zmidponk
    We do know, however, that we are always born male and female.

    You’re a doctor and you’ve never heard of intersex people? Hermaphrodites? Klinefelter’s syndrome? About 1% of all people are born with one of several types of non-binary gender (and that’s just looking a genitalia, it doesn’t count those who are transgender), which means there are about 70 million people who were not, in fact, born male or female. Again, we have a medical doctor who claims to know things that are flatly false.

    Not only that, but, even if this was true, it would have absolutely zero bearing on gay marriage, or even homosexuality in general. That seems to be a recurring thing, especially amongst the right wing – some people confuse sexuality and gender. They seem to think that, if a guy is anything other than 100% heterosexual, they are partly female.

  • iangould

    “I’d like to apologize to any perverted, mentalyl ill, demonically possessed, God-denying abominations who I may have unintentionally offended.”

  • iangould

    Anyone want to venture an opinion on how much of this Carson actually believes and how much is just pandering to Republican primary voters?

  • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com WMDKitty — Survivor

    MikeMA @2

     

    We all have an omentum.

     

    The omentum is a part of the body that is found in your lower abdominal area. It is made up of two layers of fatty tissues and both supports and covers the organs and intestines found in this area of the body. There are two parts of the omentum, the greater omentum and the lesser omentum, which are responsible for storing fat deposits and connecting the intestines and stomach to the liver respectively.

    Source: Med-Health.net

  • MikeMa

    @WMDKitty

    Much Obliged! Even my typing errors make more sense than Carson…