Fischer and Lively, Together At Last

One can almost hear echoes of the Hitler-Stalin pact when two of the most extreme voices in the Christian right, Scott Lively and Bryan Fischer, get together. On Fischer’s radio show, Lively made the ridiculous claim that in the non-existent “days of Noah” people were getting gay married and says being gay is worse than murder or genocide.

Lively told Fischer that America is about to cross “a line with God that hasn’t occurred in the entire history of the world since Noah’s flood,” which he once again asserted was brought about by the celebration of “homosexual marriage.”

“The final straw for God was when they started celebrating and engaging in homosexual and bestial marriages,” he said.

Lively went on to declare that homosexuality is “the most egregious form of rebellion against God” and is a sin that is “worse than murder and worse then genocide.”

“It’s not just another sin,” he continued. “It’s really a harbinger of the judgment of God … The celebration by the society [of homosexuality] is a harbinger of the wrath of God.”

And you wonder why we point and laugh at you.

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  • kantalope

    I imagine he has in his possession documents from before the flood concerning marriage customs?

  • John Pieret

    homosexuality is “the most egregious form of rebellion against God” and is a sin that is “worse than murder and worse then genocide

    Well, thank goodness you are being rational about this and not letting your rhetoric run away with you …

  • birgerjohansson

    In the days of Noah? Is that before or after Gilgamesh met Utnapishtim, the guy who made the real ark (a coracle made of Euphrates reed)?

  • anubisprime

    When will these numbnuts ever get the message that just because they would dearly love the little snippets of hells damnation and gods wrath on pretty much anything they personally find yucky might be what they want to be in the bible…bottom line is it ain’t and making it up to plug that obvious oversight still does not make it so.

    In reality the little nuggets of teh ghey and atheist intolerance that all seem keen to vaguely quote at any opportunity without reference or specific attribution…are rather big fat greasy, sweaty lies that they self manufactured…cos they are so very christian. that does not seem to matter…simply cos ‘jeebus!’

  • John Pieret

    I’ll see your two extremists and raise you Rick Wiles and John Price, who discussed:

    … [Price’s] decision to move to Costa Rica three years ago in order to follow God’s call to “flee from the daughter of Babylon and not stay and participant in her sins and not be around when the nation is destroyed.”

    Price told Wiles that other Americans should consider leaving the U.S., which he said is “truly is the daughter of Babylon” as a result of the upcoming Supreme Court ruling on same-sex marriage. …

    Price said that same-sex couples will use the Supreme Court case to sue churches that decline to perform same-sex weddings, which he said was prophesied by the Bible. Eventually, Price predicted, “there will even be blood in the church and blood of the martyrs in Babylon and violence in the land.” –

    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/right-wing-activist-flee-america-gay-marriage-causes-god-destroy-us#sthash.JcjeyTD2.dpuf

    Right Wing theocrats fleeing America in droves? …. oh, please, oh, please, oh, please!!!

  • Mr Ed

    First we get marriage equity, which makes God mad and starts the end of times – God brings his faithful to heaven body and soul. How is this an argument against gay marriage?

  • Larry

    So their loving god commits mass genocide because a few people love each other. Now there is a being you can really worship!

  • http://festeringscabofrealityblogspot.com fifthdentist

    Lively went on to declare that homosexuality is “the most egregious form of rebellion against God” and is a sin that is “worse than murder and worse then genocide.”

    So I guess that means a gay Caribbean cruise is worse than the Holocaust?

  • Johnny Vector

    To be fair, the flood is coming. Sure, it’s going to take a couple hundred years, and only be a hundred feet deep or so, but it’s already clear the the West Antarctic Ice Shelf is doomed. And really, 100 feet of water will be as good as flooding the planet for a few hundred million people. So yay! Go God!

  • bmiller

    Oh no! The Pink Gestapo is following him!

    On May 15, 2014, International Day Against Homophobia and Transphobia, the president of Costa Rica Luis Guillermo Solis placed a rainbow flag in the Presidential House. According to Luis Guillermo Solis, this was a symbolic act in support of all kinds of diversity, particularly for a group that has been severely discriminated. The act generated mixed reactions and was criticized by religious sectors of the country

    (Of course, costa rica is a conservative country overall, but…)

  • http://twitter.com/#!/TabbyLavalamp Tabby Lavalamp

    You’d think if Yahweh was that against marriage equality you’d think he would have made it more clear when he wrote his book. Maybe he could have even devoted an entire chapter to it instead of sprinkling in little bits amongst all his other bizarre fixations and demands to kill people.

  • http://composer99.blogspot.ca composer99

    Pieret @5:

    We have enough RNWJ’s, largely influenced by the conservative media/scam bubble built in the US. We don’t want any more.

    (I live in Canada.)

    So if you want them to leave the US, please make sure they go somewhere more genuinely felicitous to their ideology where they can’t cause more harm by their presence.

    (I, uh, actually can’t think of anywhere that might qualify.)

  • Pierce R. Butler

    … “… Noah’s flood,” which he once again asserted was brought about by the celebration of “homosexual marriage.”

    But if ya read Da Book (Gen 6:1-5), the (ahem!) precipitating event had to do with Jesus’s older brothers getting their dicks wet:

    … the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. … There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth…

    To attribute the Flood to any other cause would be to accuse the Bible of non sequiturs!

  • wreck

    @ composer99 #12:

    “So if you want them to leave the US, please make sure they go somewhere more genuinely felicitous to their ideology where they can’t cause more harm by their presence.

    (I, uh, actually can’t think of anywhere that might qualify.)”

    Saudi Arabia? Iran?

  • D. C. Sessions

    So if you want them to leave the US, please make sure they go somewhere more genuinely felicitous to their ideology where they can’t cause more harm by their presence.

    (I, uh, actually can’t think of anywhere that might qualify.)

    Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, perhaps Russia, …

  • anubisprime

    Johnny Vector @ 9

    So yay! Go God!

    You would think that logic would dictate that the religio babblers would actually WANT global warming to the point of championing it, even praising it, cos their fantasies can in part be fully satisfied vis-a-vis ‘The end Times’ ™.

    That they don’t speaks volumes about their true character which is so very obviously shitting rather large and craggy bricks despite their macho attitude to being raptured.

    Seems they want to deny it rather more then embrace their dream orgasm.

    Complicated critters, or totally fuckin’ batshit insane… you decide!

    Whatever… completely confused for sure!

  • kantalope

    In god’s defense he can’t see murder and genocide as all that sinful because he’s guilty of both.

  • theguy

    “went on to declare that homosexuality is ‘the most egregious form of rebellion against God” and is a sin that is “worse than murder and worse then genocide.’

    Of course, Adolf Shitely is prioritizing here; the worthless bastard is planning murder and genocide against gay people.

    Any God who would destroy an entire nation and murder millions is evil. I”m sick of the “might makes right” attitude of fascist pieces of shit. When is Shitely going to get divine retribution for dragging a woman by the hair, or for hiring a sex offender?

  • http://www.clanfield.net janiceintoronto

    Why is Lively still walking around free?

  • Numenaster

    I’m just amazed that Lively hasn’t immolated in the fires of his own rage by now. Seriously, that guy has had anger management issues documented for almost 30 years now.

  • dugglebogey

    Okay, so the Bible never really expresses any rankings of the severity of sins, but Lively seems to be claiming that some sins are worse than others, so can we get a ranking?

    Like maybe coveting is a lesser sin, and you’ll only burn in baby hell for that one, and full-on butt-fucking is a big-time sin and you’ll go to major serious hell for committing that one.

  • Numenaster

    Well, blasphemy is supposed to be the only unforgivable sin. I’m betting Lively still thinks gayness is worse, but I see no scripture support for that.

  • grumpyoldfart

    And you wonder why we point and laugh at you.

    They point and laugh too – at the gullibility of the audience that believes their nonsense. Before the broadcast they probably dared each other (just for fun) to see who could come up with the most ludicrous scenario and deliver it with a straight face.

  • Numenaster

    I’d like to think that, grumpyoldfart, but at least for Lively this is what he really thinks. He’s been saying the same thing for decades, in small venues and large, and taking his hate overseas to show Uganda how oppression of gay people SHOULD be done.

  • D. C. Sessions

    If we’re looking at “worse than murder and genocide” from a Christian perspective that’s not saying much since both are Good Things. We know this, after all, from the principle of imitatio Dei.

  • John Pieret

    Wow! This is really a “Day of the Homophobes!” Right Wing Watch is dripping with the anti-gay legion, including “End Times preacher Jonathan Cahn [who] believes that if the Supreme Court strikes down the remaining state bans on same-sex marriage, America will experience tremendous calamities”; Ted Cruz (twice) touting his anti-LGBT bona fides; Peter LaBarbera predicting the “fall” of the Republican party unless it gets all hot and bothered [cough] about a kiss between two teenage boys on a recent episode of the TV show “The Fosters.”

    But my favorite was from good ol’ reliable Mike Huckabee, who complained about how the left seeks to “impose” its “secular values” on conservative Christians while, on the other hand, conservative Christians do not want to impose their views on anybody [boggle!]:

    “We’re never going to be fully understood by people on the secular left,” Huckabee said. “They don’t want to understand us, they want to ridicule us, they want to hold us in contempt, they want to hold us up to scorn and so they’re going to because we represent a direct threat to their worldview. If there really is an alternative to the secularist’s mind and we can articulate it, defend it and do it in a way that even can be intellectually defensible, then that’s a direct threat to their worldview.”

    Considering that, after all these years, you still haven’t been able to articulate an intellectually defensible argument for denying marriage equality, you don’t pose much of a threat to our “worldview,” do you? In fact, it’s your lame in the extreme attempts to articulate such an argument that gets you ridiculed, held in contempt, and held up to scorn. But the best is yet to come:

    The potential GOP presidential candidate went on to rail against groups like Right Wing Watch for quoting remarks he makes on conservative media: “Every time I’ve come on this radio show, as you know your show is monitored by the secular left, they listen to every word that is uttered on AFA…. Every time I’m on this show there is something I say that will just end up getting picked up by the secularists and they’ll blow it up and it will go viral.”

    “So let me go ahead and give them one just so they’ll have something that they can write down and Twitter out right now,” Huckabee continued. “The second reason that a lot of this reaction comes against believers is because of the New Testament principle of ‘don’t cast your pearls before the swine.’

    Imagine that! Someone who is running for the most powerful office in the world is surprised that people might listen to his words, expect him to choose them carefully and report them verbatim when he doesn’t! Has this guy ever run for political office before?

    And it’s a good thing that he and the religious right are above ridicule, contempt and scorn because otherwise someone might get the idea that comparing “the left” to swine was meant to disparage people!

    The real complaint, of course, is that he can’t blow all the dog whistles he wants the religious right to hear without those pesky kids and their dog pulling off his cheesy mask. He and his ilk want to use modern technology to get out their message but can’t stand that the rest of us “swine” can listen in too and point and laugh.

    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/mike-huckabee-left-imposing-secular-values-conservative-christians#sthash.YznURkhV.dpuf

  • xuuths

    He must have that scripture from the Book of Anus 1:1-3, since he’s just pulling it out of his ass.

  • http://timgueguen.blogspot.com timgueguen

    Apparently Scott Deadly and Fishbrain aren’t afraid of Satan. After all you’d think having two important Warriors for Jesus in the same room at the same time would be the perfect time for him to strike.

  • felidae

    “The final straw for God was when they started celebrating and engaging in homosexual and bestial marriages,” he said.

    Golly, I didn’t know I could marry a sheep now!–I can’t wait to go out to the pasture and select my new bride

  • Kermit Sansoo

    […] homosexuality is “the most egregious form of rebellion against God” and is a sin that is “worse than murder and worse then genocide.”

    .

    Guess Fischer is making clear which sin [sic] he finds more disturbing. Since these simple-minded, single-track, devoid-of-self-insight terror clowns assumes that their god hates and loves the same thing they do, this clarifies the inner Fischer. It is every bit as dark and demented as I expected.