Hagee: Gay Marriage Destroying Our Ability to Survive

Matthew Hagee, John’s idiot son, answered a question from a viewer about the terrible evils of same-sex marriage. He ranted for a bit about Satan and deception and how letting gay people get married will destroy society’s ability to survive. His argument is hilariously stupid:

On yesterday’s “Hagee Hotline,” Matthew Hagee told a viewer who could not “understand how homosexuals can truly feel like they’re walking with the Lord” that gay people are deceived by the Devil. Hagee asserted that Satan is “the Father of Lies” and has “created a world of deception,” warning that gay marriage will lead to the collapse of society.

“Marriage between a man and a woman is how families are created,” Hagee said. “Families are required to support an economy. If you do not have a culture that is producing more children than people who are in need of the resources of that society, then you have a culture that is virtually dying. Whenever you create a platform that degrades marriage and enables same-sex unions, you are taking away the ability of that society to survive. These are simple facts.”

So families are the key to keeping societies alive. And same-sex marriage creates more families. So that should be a good thing, right?

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  • donkensler

    Well no, because Gay Sex is just so inviting that if you allow same-sex couples to get married all of the guys will get married to other guys, and then there won’t be any more kids and before you know it the population will go to zero.

  • Francisco Bacopa

    You know who thinks being gay is the most awesome thing in the world? Fundie conservatives! These types of arguments rest on the assumption that being gay is so cool, or straightness is so horrible, no one would be straight except in the face of bullying and social pressure.

  • John Pieret

    If you do not have a culture that is producing more children than people who are in need of the resources of that society, then you have a culture that is virtually dying. Whenever you create a platform that degrades marriage and enables same-sex unions, you are taking away the ability of that society to survive.

    So what’s the mechanism for this again? Will all those straight people (especially Christians) out there find The Gheyz so irresistible that they will all douse themselves in glitter and stop having babies?

    These are simple simpleton facts

    FTFY

  • U Frood

    Besides, we’re at the point where there are numerous medical options available that allow homosexuals to have children.

    If EVERYONE was gay, that might be a big strain on medical resources, but that’s not going to happen, so it doesn’t really matter.

  • dingojack

    Dear Matthew –

    Marriage is not a prerequisite for families — sex is.

    Gay people can, and do, have sex with the opposite sex, either in person or artificially, in order to have children. But these people they have sex with — aren’t necessarily married to them.

    Sex =/= marriage, marriage =/= sex.

    I’m sure your local doctor can run you through how human reproduction works, in all the various variations*.

    Dingo

    ———

    * sheesh!! Guess whose parents totally shirked their parental duties when it came to sex ed? @@

  • colnago80

    Re dingojack @ #5

    Most the the born agains plus the Raping Children Church are opposed to IVF and favor having te procedure banned.

  • http://tailotherat.blogspot.com namowal

    The “they’re bad because there’s no reproduction!!” attack is telling. Plenty of hetosexuals couples choose not to have kids, and some of us prefer not to pair off in the first place. Yet the latter groups aren’t accused of subverting humanity.

  • dingojack

    SLC – is/ought (on their part I mean)

    Dingo

  • http://www.gregory-gadow.net Gregory in Seattle

    Jesus never married. Neither did Paul. Paul goes so far as to state quite clearly that unmarried celibacy is a superior state and that marriage was only for those too weak not to engage in sexual sin (I Cor. 7:8-9.) A number of denominations require that clergy — supposedly the best and brightest of that faith — remain celibate for life.

    And somehow, it is gay marriage (what about lesbian marriage?) that will utterly destroy humankind.

  • Sastra

    “If you do not have a culture that is producing more children than people who are in need of the resources of that society, then you have a culture that is virtually dying. Whenever you create a platform that degrades marriage and enables same-sex unions, you are taking away the ability of that society to survive. These are simple facts.”

    This almost sounds like a really fucked up version of Kant’s Categorical Imperative. “Act only according to that maxim by which you can at the same time will that it be a universal law.” If EVERYBODY married someone of the same sex, then there would be no more children. But countries need children in order to survive into the next generation. So obviously same-sex marriage is immoral. Q.E.D.

    Hagee thinks it’s therefore immoral by philosophy, by Natural Law, and by what God actually says in the Bible. A trifecta of bad philosophy, bad law, and who gives a shit?

  • theguy

    “If you do not have a culture that is producing more children than people who are in need of the resources of that society, then you have a culture that is virtually dying”

    Never mind the “philosophy” being full of shit, I think the math’s off. If you’re producing more children, you are automatically producing more people “who are in need of the resources of that society.”

    I guess Son of Dipshit is trying to warn ominously about a population bottleneck, but there’s a way around that: Immigration. Oh wait, they don’t like that either.

    This argument is contingent on the idea of everybody turning gay. Since most people are hetero, and gay people can have kids (in ways the fundies won’t approve of) most people will continue to have children.

  • U Frood

    If everyone was a doctor, society would fall apart, too.

  • anubisprime

    These ‘shows’ appear to be more like a fundy wanking circle, biased questions asked by biased listeners, answered in a bias manner by a biased guest or host.

    It is almost easy to consider that the whole premise of these wank fests as a set up specifically to give the impression that any right minded xtian must conform to the mind set so displayed, because the mind set displayed is the soul of the xtian dream made flesh, to not buy into that mind set is to not be a ‘real xtian.

    But the reality is it is all fake presentation of fake claims and fake premises with fake people making fake displays of a fake ‘faith’.

  • Sastra

    anubisprime #13 wrote:

    But the reality is it is all fake presentation of fake claims and fake premises with fake people making fake displays of a fake ‘faith’.

    I don’t know. I think real people with a genuine faith can thrive very well in these sort of self-confirming bubbles. Religious faith can’t rest on solid, reasonable, objective evidence and so it needs strong communal support through stories, testimonies and repeated affirmations. I’ll presume Hagee sincere in that he probably lies to himself before he lies to others. I don’t think that grants him undue credit, exactly.

  • Lady Mondegreen

    Wait, children aren’t people in need of the resources of their society?

    Or is he saying that society requires exponential population growth to survive?

  • llewelly

    Matthew Hagee:

    If you do not have a culture that is producing more children than people who are in need of the resources of that society, then you have a culture that is virtually dying.

    In other words Hagee thinks the potential to persist for long periods on an Earth of finite resources is “virtually dying”.

  • anubisprime

    Sastra @ 14

    I thin.k real people with a genuine faith can thrive very well in these sort of self-confirming bubbles

    Do not doubt it, they are the bonus to the mix and are probably seeded throughout such dumbfuckery on air…but in the main it is not beyond reasonable surmise that a few of the more contentious questions are indeed planted deliberately for the agenda to be stated in the context of pushing that attitude to influence and coerce listeners and viewers that to be xtian that is the response they hear and the rest is between them and their conscience, peer pressure helps and the peers take note of such nonsense as if it is gospel, which in a way it is.

  • lorn

    OMG … some gays got married and now the human race is going to die out. Evidently gay sex is just that good. I guess it might work like that. Highly improbable, but not impossible.

    I say we do the experiment. Let’s let all those gays who want to get married do so and see how it goes. When and if we get down to three billion and falling, from the current seven billion and climbing, and it is clear that the reduction is due to gay marriage, we can revisit the issue. The experiment shouldn’t take more than a thousand years or so.

  • http://festeringscabofrealityblogspot.com fifthdentist

    They should think of gay marriage like smoking pot. Sure, most everyone smokes it once or twice in college, and gay marriage will probably be the same. After trying the gay marriage a few times in their teens most people will grow out of it and get hetero married, just like most people don’t smoke pot later in life.

    Plus, with 7 billion people on this little spinning blue marble, many of whom are starving and dying of easily preventable diseases, it seems we have some excess capacity to spare.

    And if all else fails, I read that one of the Duggar daughters just got married. So that should make up for any gay marriages that result from a Supreme Court decision that goes against the wishes of the fundies.

  • Anri

    Because if there’s one thing the world is short of today, it’s human beings.

    Clearly, we need more and more and more and more and more and more and more…