Fox Guest: Talking About Race is Racism

Starbucks has started encouraging their baristas to talk to customers about race, which I think is a very bad idea. But it isn’t a bad for the reason this idiot guest on Fox News thinks it is. He thinks it’s a bad idea because there is no need to talk about race at all in this country. In fact, talking about race is racism.

On Saturday, Fox News panelist Jonathan Hoenig insisted to Eric Bolling that the Starbucks #RaceTogether campaign is a terrible idea because “(t)here’s no discussion needed on race in this country.”…

“Eric, there is no discussion needed on race,” he said. “I resent this whole idea that America is this racist country, that we somehow have to remedy through chit-chat at Starbucks.”

To people of color, he said, “Stop identifying by your race. You’re not responsible for things that came before you, and you’re not entitled to things that came before you.”

“There’s no discussion needed on race in this country,” Hoenig insisted, before saying that “the ones who want the discussion, in my opinion, are the racists.”

Where do they find these people? Can we identify the rock they crawl out from under and set some explosives or something?

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  • marcus

    Ed:

    Can we identify the rock they crawl out from under and set some explosives or something?

    Normally I would suggest live-trapping them and releasing them somewhere that they can’t do any harm.

    Apparently that place doesn’t exist.

  • caseloweraz

    I’m looking forward to visiting the local Starbucks to see how this works in practice. I’m probably wrong, but I imagine something like the commercial of a certain year:

    “Can I talk to you about constipation racism?

  • alanb

    Stop identifying by your race. You’re not responsible for things that came before you, and you’re not entitled to things that came before you.

    Yes, the desire to be treated like everybody else is an entitlement, just like it is for gay people and brown people and women…

  • colnago80

    It’s the Fascist News Channel. What else can be expected?

  • marcus

    alanb @ 3

    “There’s no discussion needed on race gender in this country,” Hoenig insisted, before saying that “the ones who want the discussion, in my opinion, are the racists sexists.”

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    Stop identifying by your race. You’re not responsible for things that came before you, and you’re not entitled to things that came before you.

    This rhetoric gives a strong hint at where the idea that “talking about race is racism” came from: libertarians. They’ve been saying this shit without a trace of shame or irony, for DECADES before Faux News even existed.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    alanb “Yes, the desire to be treated like everybody else is an entitlement…”

    But they don’t want to be treated just like everybody else. They want to be treated better than the rest of us. Worse, they already are, with free interviews from poll watchers when they “legally” “vote”, sub-prime mortgages even when they only qualify for a normal one, getting pulled over because they have a tail light out (even if it’s not), bonus-length prison sentences, not to mention all the free taserings, shootings and fatal chokings by police!

  • anubisprime

    “People should be greedy for what they want out of life and take every step to achieve it.”

    Okay so by inference …greed…avarice…selfishness…all is good in thy philosophy Jonathan!

    Except of course if you are ethnically of a different skin tone then…

    To people of color, he said,

    “Stop identifying by your race”

    Which seems to suggest he does not care what color you are… Chinese…Vietnamese…Japanese…Afro-American… they are all the same amirite?

    You’re not responsible for things that came before you

    It is none of your beeswax pointing out that the USA had a rather cute fascination with slavery and the death penalty, and the foreign policy of a cockroach on meth.

    and you’re not entitled to things that came before you

    Ah yeah and there is the punchline, make of that what you will, sounds suspiciously that they are not ‘entitled’ to anything that ‘White” folks take for granted like respect…dignity…freedom…privilege…jobs…welfare…education…health care…etc…etc…

    What a fuckin’ classy douchebag!…and typical that Fox has no shame in broadcasting such trite and risible balderdash.

  • Pierce R. Butler

    Harrumph! All this meaningless mockery is already moot:

    Starbucks Ends ‘Race Together’ Campaign After 7 Uncomfortable Days

  • M’thew

    marcus @1:

    Normally I would suggest live-trapping them and releasing them somewhere that they can’t do any harm.

    Apparently that place doesn’t exist.

    Doesn’t matter. Just send them off on the B Ark. Or the C Ark. Whatever letter you can think of. As long as I don’t have to share a planet with them.

  • http://tailotherat.blogspot.com namowal

    Here’s how I see it.

    I don’t believe in astrology and don’t really concentrate on the fact that I happen to be a Capricorn.

    Hypothetically, if I lived in a culture where Capricorns weren’t respected or trusted (because other people believed in bullcrap,) I’d have a problem. The culture too.

  • caseloweraz

    Hoenig: You’re not responsible for things that came before you, and you’re not entitled to things that came before you.”

    What does the last half of this even mean? The U.S. Constitution came before anyone living. Many devices (cars, airplanes), as well as medical techniques like antisepsis and anesthesia, were first made before the lives of most living people began. One example that conservatives get “het up” about — the incandescent lamp — was first made by Humphry Davy in 1809; Edison’s first successful version came in 1879.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    What “things that came before you” is this guy talking about that black people aren’t entitled to? The promises of equal rights described in the Constitution?

  • marcus

    I think he means things like “reparations” and “affirmative action”, because, you know, racism doesn’t exist anymore and we’re all “equal” now.

  • D. C. Sessions

    Stop identifying by your race. You’re not responsible for things that came before you, and you’re not entitled to things that came before you.

    Works for me — just as soon as we have a system where the children of Bill Gates, the Kochs, etc. get the same upbringing, schools, medical care, etc. as everyone else. We could pay for it by a 100% estate tax.

    No? Then I’ll take a wild guess that your family got you a better deal than that.

  • eric

    What “things that came before you” is this guy talking about

    Reparations. I.e., he’s trying to say that the descendants of people whose labor was stolen should not get paid back for it. As D.C. Sessions points out, these are the same people who ironically go batsh*t over the idea of raising the Estate tax, so evidently what they really mean is that poor blacks are not entitled to fruits of their great-grandparents labor, but rich white people are.

    In a sense I kinda agree with one side of the point their trying to make, just not the policy that comes out of it. Yes, we probably can’t and shouldn’t try and go back in history and try and monetize individual damages for all the wrongs perpetrated by earlier generations. OTOH, the fact of that history and the fact that we can’t fix such disparities directly should lead people to support a strong public education and welfare system as well as a progressive tax structure. A tax system that favors labor over investment, rather than the system we have now that does the opposite (puts much lower tax rates on investments rather than labor). If you can’t pay the victims back directly out of the pockets of the guilty, you can at least as a society decide that you are going to ensure the children of the victims have everything they need to succeed in life; that the spoils of past victory are not a requirement for prosperity and success.

  • http://drx.typepad.com Dr X

    Fox News, you go first. Stop mentioning race. Set an example. Refuse to mention race. Ever.

  • scienceavenger

    To people of color, he said, “Stop identifying by your race…”

    The problem isn’t that minority group X identifies by a race. The problem is that the majority of people identify them that way, and treat them differently. You know, like when Rudy Guiliani waves away police abuse of blacks by pointing to the fact that most black murder victims had black murderers.

    Go tell Rudy to stop identifying people by race. Pretty please, with sugar on it.

  • lorn

    Lets’ play scary mind games:

    Imaging you have FOX news on all day, and all night, and you never change channels, or turn down the volume, not even when you sleep.

    FOX news has been on the air 24/7 since 1985.

    Perhaps now you are starting to understand what you are up against and why we can’t have nice things.

  • felidae

    Jonathan Hoenig is one of the most obnoxious commentators on FOX–his website is named–no shit–Capitalist Pig and he sure lives up to his his porcine appellation. Typical FOX horrorshow– 4 white folks talking about how we don’t need to have a conversation about race

  • lofgren

    Imaging you have FOX news on all day, and all night, and you never change channels, or turn down the volume, not even when you sleep.

    So, imagine you’re my grandmother-in-law?

    Replace Fox with C-Span 2 and you’d be talking about my own grandmother.

    I used to think that old people watch TV so much because they are lonely, but neither of these women had any reason to be lonely. My grandmother’s social life is more active than my own, and that’s not counting her kids, grandkids, great-grandkids, doctors, nurses, physical therapists, and drivers, all of whom she sees on a regular basis. I don’t know what causes it but I hope that when it’s my time I at least get addicted to something a little bit more interesting for my guests when they come over to my house. Like, some channel playing action movies on a loop or a youTube channel that shows nothing but cuddly baby animals playing together or something like that.

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    you’re not entitled to things that came before you.”

    …. probably inherited from a parent, tho, right?

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    a 100% estate tax

    If the US were to be actually anything like a meritocracy, that would be a good start.

  • matty1

    A 100% estate tax would be better than the status quo, though in the interested of avoiding a “Grandma’s wedding ring belong to the Gummint” situation I’d probably exempt non-cash movable assets below a certain value. To pick a number out of the air let’s say 1000 of your currency of choice.

  • matty1

    Oh and any house occupied at the time of death by a family member should still be theirs to live in.

  • tfkreference

    matty1: The US middle class is already subject to that system – but the money is taken earlier; it’s called long term care (nursing homes).

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1360322113 aaronbaker

    Oh, that guy. John Stewart had some fun with him a few months ago as a proponent of the “He who smelt it dealt it” argument: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht5VjB_XMao.

  • scienceavenger

    @20 In fairness, they did have Juan Williams on the panel along with the 4 white people.

    As for Hoenig, having just listened to the clip for the first time, I couldn’t agree more. The guy’s a combination of the blinkered racial cluelessless of John “the way to stop discrimination by race is to stop discriminating by race” Roberts, delivered with the fingernails-on-the-chaulkboard nasel tones of Gilbert Godfrey. I couldn’t listen to that guy for 5 minutes.