BarbWire Declares Death of Presbyterian Church USA

As I’m sure you’ve heard by now, the Presbyterian Church USA, the more liberal Presbyterian denomination, recently endorsed same-sex marriage. The Christian right is, of course, flipping out over that. BarbWire called on a guy who wrote a book called — I kid you not — The Boobonic Plague to declare the death of the denomination.

The Presbyterian Church U.S.A. (PCUSA) is now dead.[1] After a long, tedious struggle to remain faithful to the scriptures and great Christian reformers like John Knox, the leadership of the PCUSA denomination (the liberal branch of Presbyterian churches) has thrown in the towel and surrendered to the loud and obnoxious voices of militant lesbians and “gays”. A PCUSA church near you will soon be conducting same-sex “marriages.” The moral high ground in this conflict has been surrendered to Satan.

How did this happen? It occurred as church deaths always do, with a membership that is ignorant of the scriptures. Bring in some spiritually dead anti-Christian heretics. Add a few New Age ideologies that sound “Christianese,” like ending discrimination and embracing the future, sprinkle with the words: love, community, and equality, and shake until blended. There you have it. A deadly cocktail of pharisaic poison. Each ingredient by itself is harmless, but together, they create a deadly toxin that is fatal to dignity, honor, faithfulness and righteousness…

In real numbers, the defection of the PCUSA doesn’t make much of an impact on Christendom. Its membership is at an all-time low with only about 1.8 million members. But the real impact will be felt when other denominations like the United Methodist Church, the Catholic Church, and the Southern Baptist Church are pressured into defiling themselves, as well, or suffer persecution for their “stubbornness.”

PCUSA members have ignorantly rejected Paul’s admonishing question, “What fellowship has light with darkness?” Homosexuality is “very grave sin.” That’s what God calls it, and that’s what it is. For Presbyterians to think that God will applaud them or anyone else who shakes his fist at Him by embracing same-sex marriage, is utter lunacy. This latest action by PCUSA leaders is simply the last nail in its coffin. The death has been a long time coming, and it began when leaders misappropriated for themselves, the authority to supplant the truth of God’s word with the policies of sinful and unredeemed men.

This rant sounds very familiar, but I can’t place it…Oh yeah, it’s pretty much word-for-word the same thing that was said about liberal Christian denominations that opposed slavery. And supported women’s suffrage. And opposed equal rights for blacks. And supported interracial marriage. “Haven’t we been here before?” asks a terrible old song by Styx. Answer: Yes. Yes we have.

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  • wreck

    Nice rant. The only thing missing was “Hey you kids, get off my lawn!”

  • StevoR

    Indeed. Opposing equal marriage already looks like opposing interracial marriage. Plus slavery, etc ..

    The Churches that still oppose it are the ones who’ll look silly. well, sillier and will probly be denying they ever opposed it and actually supported it in another decade or so.

    Homosexuality is “very grave sin.” That’s what God calls it,

    Really? What about 1 Samuel 20:42 :

    http://www.bricktestament.com/david_vs_saul/jonathan_and_david/1s20_42a.html

  • scienceavenger

    The Boobonic Plague

    They prefer to be called “breastaurants”.

  • dingojack

    A deadly cocktail of pharisaic poison. ” [emphasis mine].

    Bwhahahahahahaha!!! Oh I love the clueless projection. Any hope of a BFA nomination?

    Homosexuality is “very grave sin.” That’s what God calls it, and that’s what it is.”

    Nope, ‘very grave sin’ appears nowhere in the bible. It’s not what the writers, editors or re-writers called it (and certainly not what god called it).

    Dingo

  • StevoR

    A deadly cocktail of pharisaic poison. Each ingredient by itself is harmless, but together, they create a deadly toxin that is fatal to dignity, honor, faithfulness and righteousness…

    But being bigoted, intolerant homophobic arsewipes and denying other human beings their chance to have their dignity,and be (publicly recognised as) faithful to each other through marriage and have their honour respected is non-toxic and what Rabbi Jesus who spoke about loving thy neighbour and not judging others would want and is “harmless” even admirable, eh? How can even they not see how hypocritical and evil and even FWIW “UnChristian” they are?

  • dingojack

    OK you’d could go with the old ‘stating the bleeding obvious’ route…

    Dingo

    ———

    Stevo – you rant, what I hint at. 😉

  • dingojack

    ‘Reports of the PCUSA’s death have been somewhat exaggerated’…

    Dingo

    (Sorry Sam, someone had to say it).

  • caseloweraz

    Amazon’s blurb for The Boobonic Plague reads, “In this provocative, insightful collection, the author delivers a long awaited full-body-blow to the strange and fatally-flawed ideologies of our time.”

    …and sends those ideologies tumbling in a welter of arms and legs, presumably.

    There are three reviews: 4, 5, and 5 stars. They all agree the book is great and life-changing, yet one reviewer takes issue with another for reasons invisible to me.

    The publisher, incidentally, is “AmErica House.”

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Pharisee sees Pharisees everywhere.

  • grumpyoldfart

    Add a few New Age ideologies that sound “Christianese,” like ending discrimination and embracing the future, sprinkle with the words: love, community, and equality, and shake until blended. There you have it. A deadly cocktail of pharisaic poison. Each ingredient by itself is harmless, but together, they create a deadly toxin that is fatal to dignity, honor, faithfulness and righteousness…

    Am I reading him correctly? Is he saying that love, community, equality, and the end of discrimination is a cocktail of poison; a deadly toxin?

  • Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

    The moral high ground in this conflict has been surrendered to Satan.

    If Satan occupies the moral high ground, doesn’t that mean you and your God are on the wrong side?

    I love the smell of the Euthyphro Dilemma in the morning.

  • dingojack

    MO – phari-see, phari-do (push pineapple, shake the tree…)

    :) Dingo

  • xuuths

    Not to be a pedant, but does anyone know of any “deadly toxin” that is a combination of two or more harmless ingredients? I am pretty sure such a thing does not exist.

    dingojack is quite correct to point out that the phrase “very grave sin” does not appear in the King James Version of the bible. bible search

    Do I have to point out that membership in most churches is at an all-time low?

    And why the scare quotes around the word ‘gays’ — but not ‘lesbians’? Very strange.

  • http://sidhe3141.blogspot.com jy3, Social Justice Beguiler

    but does anyone know of any “deadly toxin” that is a combination of two or more harmless ingredients? I am pretty sure such a thing does not exist.

    Just off the top of my head, carbon and nitrogen combine to form cyanide.

  • dugglebogey

    We must preserve religious freedom! What? There’s a church we disagree with? They must be stopped!

  • Chiroptera

    According to the meanings that the Right Wing gives to words, Timothy Buchanan and Barbwire is trying to censor the Presbyterian Church USA and infringing on their freedom of relgion, too.

  • D. C. Sessions

    A deadly cocktail of pharisaic poison.

    This really is a priceless line, given that the Christian objection to the Pharisees was that they were too hung up on picky attention to every little detail of the Law and not enough attention to the whole “love thy neighbor” and “yes, ‘neighbor’ includes heretics like the Samaritans” things.

    The historical fact that the Pharisees were the liberal, spirit-vs-nitpicking, party in Judaism at that time is itself a comment on Christian historical revision, but here I’m sticking with the longstanding Christian version.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    jy3, Social Justice Beguiler “Just off the top of my head, carbon and nitrogen combine to form cyanide.”

    Seems an odd place to keep cyanide, really.

  • amrie

    dingojack @4:

    I’ve almost stopped being surprised at how ignorant Bible-bashers are of what their book actually says, but that’s an impressing level of cluelessness.

  • raven

    Am I reading him correctly? Is he saying that love, community, equality, and the end of discrimination is a cocktail of poison; a deadly toxin?

    Yes.

    According to this crackpot, ending discrimination and embracing the future, love, community, and equality, are all horrible things.

    It’s very fundie xian. Without their daily dose of hate, lies, and hypocrisy, they can’t function. A church without hate is foreign to them.

  • raven

    The Presbyterian church USA has been losing members for a long time. So have all the Mainline Protestant groups.

    1. The champion at losing members is the US Catholic church, no weakling in opposing light side values like ending discrimination, embracing the future, love, community, and equality.

    They are almost the opposite of the Mainline Protestants. Not surprising, the Protestants fought the Reformation wars against the Catholics, which costs tens of millions of lives and flickered on and off for 450 years. (The Protestants won.)

    The numbers are huge. The RCC has lost at least 22 million members recently and is losing a million or so a year. There are 32 million ex-Catholics in the USA.

    2. The fundies aren’t doing well either. The uber Church of Hate, the SBC has lost members for 6 or so years in a row.

    It is hard to actually know what all the membership trends are. Some groups like the RCC and Mormons cook their membership numbers outrageously. And some sources have just stopped giving out membership numbers, possibly because no one cares any more.

  • whheydt

    I don’t know about his mixture, but according to an article on the BBC, it turns out that a mixture for treating eye problems from an Aglo-Saxon manuscript–garlic, onion or leek, and cow bile–is pretty darned effective against MRSA.

    If you want something a bit more mundane, try mixing Chlorine Bleach and Ammonia…which releases Chlorine gas.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1017276335 Strewth

    Hey, it’s my favourite sports team again, the “Purity Death-Spirals”! I love those guys.

  • caseloweraz

    xuuths: Not to be a pedant, but does anyone know of any “deadly toxin” that is a combination of two or more harmless ingredients? I am pretty sure such a thing does not exist.

    As whheydt said, mixing sodium hypochlorite (bleach) with ammonium hydroxide produces a toxin: chloramine vapor. Spider Robinson used this mixture in a fictional murder. Another possibility is nickel metal plus carbon monoxide (as from diesel fumes) to produce toxic nickel carbonyl. This was used by Gordon Dickson in one of his Dorsai stories.

    If you want something more esoteric, nerve agents in military inventories today are produced by the mixture of two relatively safe ingredients when the shells hit their targets. Here’s a brief description of the so-called Binary Technology.

  • bryanfeir

    Spider Robinson used this mixture in a fictional murder.

    A murder weapon which would only work on someone with no sense of smell. Which was actually the point in the story…

  • lorn

    There seems to be a great need for people citing Biblical authority to present homosexuality as something special, something more poisonous, a sin more deadly and despicable than all others, But, as I read it, the Bible puts homosexuality in the same category as wearing clothing made with multiple thread types, trimming ones beard, eating a cheeseburger, and failure to honor one’s parents.

    In large part the Bible seems to see all sin as more or less equal.

  • Kermit Sansoo

    lorn says: In large part the Bible seems to see all sin as more or less equal.

    .

    Yes, because there was really only one (two?) sins in the bible:

    Disobeying or disrespecting God (or his representatives.

    God’s laws are arbitrary and clearly show no compassion for anybody, although his particularly faithful and fawning slaves are occasionally given his favor. Since, from Gods viewpoint, sinning is all a matter of people having the temerity to not do what he told them to do, or doing what he told them not to, it all boils down to following the laws. Those of us who have internalized a reasonable moral code find this lack of discrimination appalling. But this is how Born Agains can equate being gay with the Holocaust, or atheism with being serial killers.

    .

    Think of Yahweh as being a bronze-age Persian king, whose spoken word was law by definition, raised to think of himself as unique and deserving his power, and who never made an emotional connection with his people. The myths of Yahweh developed in cultures in which this is how kings behaved.

  • Lady Mondegreen

    great Christian reformers like John Knox

    I can’t resist. Anyway it is sorta relevant–

    Whose love is given over-well,

    Shall look on Helen’s face in hell.

    Whilst they whose love is thin and wise

    Shall view John Knox in Paradise.

    –Dorothy Parker, Partial Comfort

  • anubisprime

    Well drama queen nonsense aside…this seems an interesting take…

    from an Anglican priest

    The time line of 40 yrs for total meltdown is given several times in the list of woe for different countries..I rather think that is grossly over confident…a 20 yr span to extinction seems far more likely…and quite possibly a lot sooner.

    The vast majority of church attendees in Europe are the elderly, natural life cycles being what they are…10-15 yrs from 2015 seems a nominal time span for their longevity, after that it will be all over now baby blue…and those figures are without the drastic decline in actual jeebus mumblers to lead congregations, especially in the RCC, and the C of E is not far from implosion either come to that.

    A hard rain is gonna fall on the xtian religion over the next few yrs, you do not require any prophet, self declared or otherwise, to suss that little revelation.

  • lorn

    Kermit Sansoo @27:

    “The myths of Yahweh developed in cultures in which this is how kings behaved.”

    Very good point. Throughout most religious texts the characteristics of Gods and moral ideals are always consistent with being projections of the people doing the writing or creating the tales. The Biblical cure for leprosy and estimation of natural processes, anatomy, and astronomy, are entirely consistent with the accepted views of the time and place. Which is quite remarkable for a book that is said to have been dictated or inspired by an all-knowing being.

    Listen closely to how people speak. Our language is full of references to science that was completely unknown to 1st century BCE and ACE humanity. We speak of air as a separate thing, being smart being related to what the brain does, sound as vibration, cold being the absence of heat, electricity, germs, planetary orbits … all of those concepts were unknown long ago. Had I some way of sending a message to someone in the 1st century my language would be littered with clues that would be nonsense to a primitive goat herder, but which would reveal that I had a much more advanced understanding. And yet, God, presumably the most advanced technologist, with technology so advanced as to be indistinguishable from magic, reveals absolutely nothing beyond what was common knowledge for that 1st century goat herder.

    Which either means that God has incredible foresight and control, or God is projection of 1st century thinking. I pretty much rule out the first option. This is the God who, despite having omniscience and omnipresence, was so shocked by what his creations got up to that he threw a fit and killed nearly everyone. Subtlety, nuance and self-control are not strong character traits for this God. He seems to be, as you point out, pretty much the petulant, petty, rage addicted behavior associated with early kings.