Jeffress: America’s Destruction is Imminent, God Sent 9/11

Robert Jeffress, the bigoted and ignorant Southern Baptist preacher, delivered the convocation at Liberty University this week and it was a litany of tired old Christian right platitudes about America dying because we’ve rejected God. And that, of course, is why he allowed 9/11 to happen.

“All you have to do is look in history to see what God does with a nation that sanctions the killing of its own children,” he said. “Just look at the nation of Israel … Because they got involved in the worship of Moloch, the pagan god, and they sacrificed their children on the altar, what did God do? He raised up the godless Babylonians and Assyrians to bring judgement on his own people.”

“People ask me all the time,” Jeffress continued, “‘Well, I just don’t understand why God wouldn’t protect our nation and he would allow these radical Muslims in 2001 to kill 3,000 of our citizens and why God doesn’t protect us. Surely, God doesn’t use pagans to bring judgment upon his own people, does he?'”

“Just read the Bible,” he said. “God will not allow sin to go unpunished and he certainly won’t allow the sacrifice of children to go unpunished.”

It’s really astonishing to me that people actually believe this nonsense, but tens of millions do.

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  • http://www.holytape.etsy.com holytape

    So God could have stopped 9/11, but chose not to? What a fucking asshole.

  • Sastra

    “All you have to do is look in history to see what God does with a nation that sanctions the killing of its own children,” he said.

    You know, I never got “It is absolutely wrong — at all times and everywhere and for whatever reason — to sacrifice your own children” as the main message of the New Testament. Or the Old one, come to think of it.

    It seems to me that this whole scenario of God using infidels to punish the many for the few will only make sense if you’ve been raised by a seriously disfunctional parent.

  • theguy

    These people have no sense of proportionality in punishment. They don’t believe that only the guilty individuals should be punished, and they don’t believe that the punishment should be limited to fit the crime. It’s like “Oh, you did something bad? Well then you (and everybody else) can be punished using any means available!”

  • blf

    You know, I never got “It is absolutely wrong — at all times and everywhere and for whatever reason — to sacrifice your own children” as the main message…

    That’s because the main message is “barbecue the little long piglets” (to which the raping children cult appended “to hide the evidence”).

  • busterggi

    So the past 14 years have been the Tribulation? That was supposed to run for only 7 years, Jesus must need the overtime.

  • blf

    “Oh, you did something bad? Well then you (and everybody else) can be punished using any means available!”

    If you didn’t do that, then someone might get away with something!

    Like not paying the tithe, not offering up some children for the priest’s barbecue, or pointing out the world isn’t flat.

  • matty1

    He raised up the godless Babylonians and Assyrians.

    Marduk and Ashur would like a word with you.

  • Sastra

    theguy #3 wrote:

    It’s like “Oh, you did something bad? Well then you (and everybody else) can be punished using any means available!”

    Oh, but it’s like when your dad whipped you and all your brothers and sisters with a belt till they bled rivers of blood and lost eyes because someone didn’t put the hammer back where he told you. Only maybe like when he got the neighbor to do it. With a chain saw. Remember?

    Me neither.

  • raven

    “All you have to do is look in history to see what God does with a nation that sanctions the killing of its own children,” he said. “Just look at the nation of Israel … Because they got involved in the worship of Moloch, the pagan god, and they sacrificed their children on the altar, what did God do? He raised up the godless Babylonians and Assyrians to bring judgement on his own people.”

    1. I don’t remember this at all from the bible.

    2. AFAICT, Jeffres is doing what fundies always, always do. Claiming something is in the bible when it isn’t. Secure in the knowledge that no one will bother to look. Or care that Jeffres is outright lying.

    He raised up the godless Babylonians and Assyrians to bring judgement on his own people.

    Oh FFS, has Jeffres ever told the truth about anything?

    The Babylonians and Assyrians weren’t godless. In fact, they had way more gods and goddesses than the Israelis.

    You could say that the ancient Jews were god deficient, having only one cranky old Sky Monster god who wasn’t very powerful and the Babylonians and Assyrians had more and better gods behind them.

  • tbp1

    I’ve used this comparison before, but when I was a kid and my parents punished me, they told me exactly what I had done wrong and what the punishment was going to be. They weren’t perfect, but they were pretty damn good parents, overall, and generally the punishment fit the crime. What they didn’t do was burn down some random stranger’s house across town without telling anyone, and then expect me to figure out that it was because I sneaked out after curfew.

    God, however, apparently does this kind of thing all the time. He punishes people not actually involved in whatever it was that offended him, and then doesn’t bother even telling anyone what he’s doing or why.

    According to some people I heard at the time, Hurricane Katrina was punishment for some deal giving up land in Israel. Drowning a bunch of poor folk in NOLA, displacing tens of thousands of people, and causing billions of dollars of damage as a punishment for what other people did in Washington, DC and Jerusalem seems a bit wonky but hey…that’s just me.

    Indeed I can’t think of any disaster in my lifetime, either natural or manmade, that people didn’t blame on divine wrath. The problem is that they could never agree about what the punishment was for, or for that matter, which deity was doing the smiting.

    Honestly, you’d think an omnipotent, omniscient being could communicate a bit better, at least as well as my parents.

  • Pierce R. Butler

    Robert Jeffress, the bigoted and ignorant Southern Baptist preacher…

    I hate to tell y’all, but we got more than one o’ them.

  • raven

    He raised up the godless Babylonians and Assyrians to bring judgement on his own people.

    What Jeffres is doing here is trying to conflate atheists/seculars with the Babylonians and Assyrians.

    It isn’t going to work very well. The Assyrians and Babylonians weren’t atheists.

    But they did win their wars against the Israelis. Jeffries may have accidently gotten that part right. He and his cohort of Molochianoid fundies are on a downhill slide.

  • Pierce R. Butler

    When the king of the Moabites sacrificed his own son (2 Kings 3:27), Yahweh immediately conceded the siege to the host god Chemosh and sent the Israelites home with tails between their legs, without even waiting for Moab to roll out their chariots of iron.

  • matty1

    Is there any record of the Babylonian gods demanding the level of brutality towards conquered enemies that is ordered in the Bible?

  • daved

    So the past 14 years have been the Tribulation? That was supposed to run for only 7 years, Jesus must need the overtime.

    We’re on double secret Tribulation.

  • Larry

    Personally, its my opinion god sent George W. Bush as punishment. 9/11 was just his formal introduction.

  • lordshipmayhem

    Well, I read my Bible as suggested by Mr. Robert Jeffress, and it still says that grasshoppers have four legs, bats are birds, rabbits chew cud, the Earth is flat, stars are small enough to fall from the sky and donkeys and serpents can speak.

    I’d say that’s not a very good record of fidelity to the truth. I suspect I can extend that to the Bible-backed claims that 9/11 was punishment for not following all of its rules – even the rules that contradicted the other rules.

  • llewelly

    raven:

    1. I don’t remember this at all from the bible.

    It’s a conflation and misinterpretation of two different incidents. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_captivity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_captivity

  • Michael Heath

    Robert Jefferess states:

    “God will not allow sin to go unpunished and he certainly won’t allow the sacrifice of children to go unpunished.”

    Shouldn’t God be punished for all the suffering he’s caused? Who is going to punish God for causing people to unimaginably suffer for infinity? Shouldn’t God’s punishment be infinitely painful for all eternity; based on that same god’s own standards?

  • se habla espol

    “All you have to do is look in history to see what God does with a nation that sanctions the killing of its own children,” he said.

    You mean, like sending them half-way around the world to get killed and maimed in useless wars of greed?

  • raven

    @18

    1..That the Assyrians and Babylonians overran Israel and Judea is well known and oddly enough, apparently historically accurate.

    2

    Jeffress: Because they got involved in the worship of Moloch, the pagan god, and they sacrificed their children on the altar, what did God do?

    This is the part I don’t remember. Refreshing my long ago reading from your wikipedia links, this isn’t what happened or why. The bible says the Assyrians invaded because the Israelis weren’t paying enough attention to their god or some such. It’s nonspecific bible babble so it is hard to make sense of it. (More likely they were after loot, land, and slaves.) The Babylonians invaded because the Israelis rebelled and stopped paying tribute, according to the magic book. This at least makes sense.

    AFAICT, Jeffress just made this Moloch stuff up knowing that no one really cares whether it is true or not.

  • Georgia Sam

    If Jeffress had lived 150 years ago, he would have blamed the Civil War on the sin of abolitionism.

  • felidae

    Lemme get this straight–Jeebus got pissed because we didn’t believe in him no more he went and whispered in the ears of the Mooslims to come over here and punish us nonbelievers so we would believe in him again because we would see his will in mass murder. It takes a theologian to come up with horseshit like this

  • Lofty

    God Sent 9/11

    Not only that, he’s sending another blood moon this weekend to make all you sinners quake in your boots.

  • http://festeringscabofrealityblogspot.com fifthdentist

    Shorter Jeffress: “God DAMN America!”

    Strange how they don’t like it when a person from, um, Chicago says it.

    Also, I seem to remember this guy named Jepthah who sacrificed his daughter in appreciation for YHWH granting him a military victory. So it seems the Bible-monster actually rewards people who slaughter their children.

  • Jared James

    Yes, matty @14, the (second?) fall of Nineveh is evidence of extraordinary brutality in the civilized, semi-urban Babylonians, on roughly the same level as the less civilized, primarily pastoral Hebrews. http://www.livius.org/ne-nn/nineveh/nineveh01.html That’s not to say for sure that their gods demanded the destruction of Nineveh, but given that wars and politics did not happen without the priests and soothsayers assuring the kings and generals the stars were right, it can reasonably be inferred.

  • anubisprime

    So this destruction of ‘merica seemingly has a symbiotic relationship to the coming of jeebus’

    I suggest a mathematical model along the lines of ….

    dead ‘merica = jeebus return / flatulence density generated by brain dead preachers

    So it appears the destruction of ‘merica is an indirect function of flatulent jeebus fans and directly proportional to the coming of jeebus…

    Seems a sound equation with the proviso of the error bars which nominally are + /- the support of the political radicals espousing support for any element or elements within the equational matrix…

    I present it to peer review…have at it and maybe improve the functionality…calculus is approved, but appeals to ‘faith’ are beyond the remit and therefore the bounds of inclusion in the set!

  • Saad

    God … won’t allow the sacrifice of children to go unpunished. – Robert Jeffress

    What was that Abraham and Isaac business then, mate?

  • kantalope

    According to the google the definition of terrorism is: “the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.”

    Their god is a definition terrorist…ain’t that special.

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_of_the_Wolf podkayne

    9/11? Are you turkeys *still* going on about that?

  • StevoR

    @28. Saad & #19. Michael Heath :

    “Robert Jefferess states:

    “God will not allow sin to go unpunished and he certainly won’t allow the sacrifice of children to go unpunished.”

    Actually he rewards it according to one verse. Maybe its in how the killing is done specifically?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTAhg64GIvg

    Psalm 137:9 “Happy shall he be that taketh and dasheth thy little ones’ against the stones.”

    Plus as #25. fifthdentist notes there’s Jephthah’s daughter as well. Plus the Bible contains its own chyaar-mming little recipe for an abortion as well. See ‘Betty Bowers Explains Abortion to Everyone Else’ on youtube and Numbers 5:15-22. Oh and then there’s Holy Prophet Elijah’s vengeance for childish name-calling with bears ripping forty little kids to bits and the whole Firstborn child Last Plague of Egypt deal and ..

  • jnorris

    Raven wrote “AFAICT, Jeffres is doing what fundies always, always do. Claiming something is in the bible when it isn’t. Secure in the knowledge that no one will bother to look. Or care that Jeffres is outright lying.”

    Interesting Mr Jeffres did this at Liberty University where one can assume the audience members were required to take at least one college course in Old Testament studies.