Barber: Same-Sex Marriage is Satanic

Doing his best impersonation of the Church Lady from Saturday Night Live, Matt Barber went on an extended rant on Liberty Counsel’s radio show declaring that same-sex marriage is a deliberate attack on “God’s design for human sexuality” by…oh, I don’t know…SATAN.

“From the spiritual level,” Barber asked, “who is the Lawless One? Who is the Great Deceiver referred to in Scripture? The Lawless One is the Father of Lies himself and so this kind lawlessness, we know who is behind it. We know who is behind this push to redefine marriage, from a spiritual standpoint. If God designed human sexuality and designed them male and female, we know who is attacking God’s design for human sexuality, God’s design for the differences between the sexes and coming together in the institution of marriage as one as one flesh. And it also is a representation of the church, of Christ’s relationship with the church, the bride of Christ. And so that is something that Satan hates, it is something that he wants to attack and undermine, so from a spiritual standpoint, isn’t it what this all kind of derives from?”

I think Liberty Counsel should file a brief in the Supreme Court cases saying that. I’m sure it would be taken with all the seriousness it deserves.

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  • Sastra

    “From the spiritual level” the entire concept of Satan makes no sense. Has the devil ever succeeded in thwarting the will of God and getting even one soul damned — a soul which, were it not for the devil, would have been saved?

    If so, then that makes no sense. What happened to omnipotence and God’s plan for each beloved created individual? And yet it makes no sense the other way, where Satan is only God’s puppet performing a ritualized dance in a game of let’s- pretend -this- really- makes-a-difference. If gay marriage genuinely goes against the divine will, then God is reduced to the role of an easily frustrated king — or a parent unable to cope with their out-of-control teenagers. Ultimate authority in a messy world is the very devil to reconcile with reason.

    Problem is, there are several “spiritual levels” and they don’t even work well with each other, let alone making sense on this lowly plane of existence.

  • Saad

    Barber asked, “who is the Lawless One? Who is the Great Deceiver referred to in Scripture? The Lawless One is the Father of Lies himself

    Who the hell talks like that?!

    Although I wonder who would win between the Father of Lies and the Mother of Dragons.

  • John Hinkle

    Last Saturday afternoon I watched the Bride of Christenstein. It came on right after Plan 9 from Outer Space.

  • rietpluim

    C’mon Barber, the Lawless One, the Father of Lies, the Great Deceiver is Jahweh, not Satan. Read the Bible. It’s all in there.

  • cottonnero

    Isaiah 45:7, if anyone cares to look. (some translations soft-pedal what other translations have as “I [God] …create evil”, and every commentator and apologist seems to know what a ticking bomb they’ve got on their hands in that verse)

    I’m in a couple of math classes right now, and the thing that’s striking me is that in math, and other reality-based fields, if your thinking is clearer, your results will tend to be better. Whereas here, for Barber and his ilk, there’s no particular advantage (and a number of disadvantages) to thinking more clearly.

  • dingojack

    ” If God designed human sexuality and designed them male and female, …”

    IF. There isn’t a shred of evidence that even remotely supports this assertion. [And what of the ample evidence of the 10-15% (say) of those that are intersex? Children of a lesser god perhaps? Or did your god’s hand then shake?]

    “… we know who is attacking God’s design for human sexuality…”

    Weird how each party in this war can’t even manage to fight their own battles. If gods are mere creations of their followers as suggested by Bryan Fischer*, what does it say about his god? Coward? Fool? Bully?

    “… God’s design for the differences between the sexes and coming together in the institution of marriage as one as one flesh…”

    What, like Jonathon and David or perhaps like Solomon? Those kinds of ‘biblical’ marriage, you mean?

    “… And it also is a representation of the church, of Christ’s relationship with the church, the bride of Christ.”

    And this is, finally, what it’s all really about. What if my beliefs were wrong, what if my life was a purposeless waste, what if all that effort to do what the sky-daddy ‘told’ me and be ‘good’ was mere delusion that ate up my life’s happiness?

    All rather sad really…

    Dingo

    ——–

    * “…and what it tells you about the god that they must worship. Whether they recognize it or not, whether they know it or not, but the god that they worship is vengeful, he is vitriolic, he is venomous, he is hateful, he drives his followers to trap a good-hearted American family in their home, like Anne Frank, in fear of their lives simply for what they believe.” – Bryan Fischer.

  • abb3w

    @5, cottonnero

    I’m in a couple of math classes right now, and the thing that’s striking me is that in math, and other reality-based fields, if your thinking is clearer, your results will tend to be better. Whereas here, for Barber and his ilk, there’s no particular advantage (and a number of disadvantages) to thinking more clearly.

    Mathematics is interested in abstract “truth”; “advantageous” (or “useful”) is a different partial ordering relationship, analogous to “is” versus “ought”.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    cottonnero “I’m in a couple of math classes right now…”

    Simultaneously?

  • dingojack

    MO – cottonnero IS Schrödinger’s Student.

    Dingo

  • wreck

    “If God designed human sexuality and designed them male and female…”

    And if there is no god then your argument (whatever the hell it is) is poofed out of existence. So let’s see your verifiable evidence supporting your assertion that a god exists and designed human sexuality. I’ll wait. Dumbass!

  • raven

    I think Liberty Counsel should file a brief in the Supreme Court cases saying that. I’m sure it would be taken with all the seriousness it deserves.

    Careful what you wish for.

    Scalia in a recent interview admitted he believed in the devil. As a good Catholic who follows his cult’s beliefs, he has to believe is satan, demons, demonic possession, and hell.

    I don’t know what the other 5 Catholics on the court believe. But Clarence Thomas probably the same, maybe some others.

  • D. C. Sessions

    I think Liberty Counsel should file a brief in the Supreme Court cases saying that. I’m sure it would be taken with all the seriousness it deserves.

    Well, Scalia and Thomas would probably take it very seriously. In fact, they’d be nodding all the way through it. Unfortunately for LC, they’re not swing voters on this topic.

  • cptdoom

    From the spiritual level,” Barber asked, “who is the Lawless One? Who is the Great Deceiver referred to in Scripture? The Lawless One is the Father of Lies himself and so this kind lawlessness, we know who is behind it. We know who is behind this push to redefine marriage, from a spiritual standpoint.

    Yeah, the same guy who was blamed for the rise of every version of Christianity except the one the speaker happens to practice. Funny how those have just continued to propagate, isn’t it?

    ” If God designed human sexuality and designed them male and female, …”

    IF. There isn’t a shred of evidence that even remotely supports this assertion. [And what of the ample evidence of the 10-15% (say) of those that are intersex? Children of a lesser god perhaps? Or did your god’s hand then shake?]

    It’s almost like the human trait of gender (encompassing gender identity, expression and sexual orientation) might actually exist on a continuum across the species – like nearly every other human trait – with most people being standard-issue heterosexual model humans (more than sufficient to keep the species going) and a few of us being a bit more of a mixture between the two genders. Denying this reality is really dissing the god they claim to worship, because they’re denying the true complexity and wonder of the world around us.

  • raven

    This is standard god babble. Xianity fails on many levels. It’s both incoherent and very boring.

    1. God is in charge and everything happens for a reason.

    2. Satan and the demons rule this world. (IIRC, in Ephesians.)

    These two beliefs are mutally contradictory. They can’t both be right. Unless god is a sadistic monster which is not an explicit xian claim. (It’s implied though in the fundie xian perversion.)

    In practice, xians switch back and forth between these worldviews depending on convenience. Those eternal truths of xianity are good for as long as an hour at a time.

  • John Pieret

    it also is a representation of the church, of Christ’s relationship with the church, the bride of Christ

    Even as a kid forced to go to church, that struck me as creepy. Anyway, since “the church” is roughly 50% male, isn’t Jesus doing the same-sex marriage thing too?

  • whheydt

    Re: Ed…

    What makes you think they *haven’t* filed an amicus brief asserting this?

  • busterggi

    Apparently right-wing bibles don’t contain the Book of Job which clearly states that Satan is Yahweh’s loyal employee.

  • marcus

    Silly busterggi. That’s just a “metaphor” (as the Babble always is when it contradicts itself)!

  • John Pieret

    whheydt @ 16:

    Somebody has filed a brief that’s pretty close:

    http://www.wnd.com/2015/04/supremes-warned-gods-judgment-now-looming/#3gqy5ezUZqJBETuB.99