Manning: Willing to Kill to Stop ‘Sodomites’

Lots and lots of Christian right bigots have declared their willingness to die to stop marriage equality (an easy claim to make when it won’t actually happen), but James David Manning thinks that doesn’t go far enough. You also have to be willing to kill over it.

“If we’re going to win this battle for the lord God almighty, two things are going to have to happen in terms of our battle strategies. We’ve got to be willing to die for what we believe. If you believe the word of God, then there is no way you will not die willingly for the cause of Christ. But the other thing – if we’re gonna win this battle against Obama, the long-leggy mack daddy, the quasi-Muslim freak, the vice president of both death and hell, against the sodomites, against racism – we’re gonna have to be willing to kill as well. You can try to arrest me, saying that I’m inciting murderous behavior. Go ahead and try. See if that will stand up in court. Let me tell you something, if you’re not willing to kill for what you believe, if you’re not will to kill those that are diametrically opposed in great evil against you believe, then you’re not worthy of his service. You gotta be willing to kill. You gotta be willing to die.”

And remember, this is a guy who preaches that gay people should be stoned to death, so this is a threat that should be taken absolutely seriously. I certainly hope the NYPD is keeping a close eye on him and his followers.

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  • ed440

    ISIS feels the same way as this guy.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    I certainly hope the NYPD is keeping a close eye on him and his followers.

    Good luck. They’ve already got their hands full watching Muslins and hippies. Plus, they’ve got black people to strangle.

  • Hoosier X

    I sure wish the non-crazy christians would speak up a little more loudly about their disgusting brethren who think the most important lesson of the New Testament is that homosexuals should be shunned and killed.

  • kenbakermn

    Jesus H. Christ in a chicken basket! What has to happen to a kid to make him turn into such despicable, hateful person? Too many choruses of “you’ll know we are Christians by our love, by our love”?

  • StevoR

    we’re gonna have to be willing to kill as well. You can try to arrest me, saying that I’m inciting murderous behavior. Go ahead and try. See if that will stand up in court.

    I really hope they do. Arrest and try him that is – in Australia I’m pretty certain that this sort of rant would indeed get you arrested for inciting hatred. In the US of A? I ‘m not sure.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=701394965 patrickashton

    Being charged for incitement is probably the least of his worries. Since he explicitly names Obama as one of the evils they oppose, this could be interpreted as a direct threat against the POTS, which is a serious offense.

  • raven

    A few pointless murders of gay people or federal judges are going to do wonders for fundie xianity.

    They will put themselves in the same class as ISIS, Al Qeda, Boko Haram, and the other terrorists. And end up just as popular.

  • raven

    You can try to arrest me, saying that I’m inciting murderous behavior. Go ahead and try. See if that will stand up in court.

    OK. Consider it done.

    Let me tell you something, if you’re not willing to kill for what you believe, if you’re not will to kill those that are diametrically opposed in great evil against you believe, then you’re not worthy of his service. You gotta be willing to kill. You gotta be willing to die.”

    Death threats are felonies.

    It’s arguable if Manning has reached that level. He doesn’t name any particular individual that he intends to kill.

    Wherever you find hate speech, you are going to find hate violence. Always. There is always some idiot who doesn’t realize the chickenhawks are just babbling away and have no intention of being a martyr. Manning doesn’t want to be a martyr. He wants someone else to be a martyr.

  • dingojack

    “And what does Leviticus have to say?

    Yeah what does it say, about being gay?

    ‘To lie with man is an abomination –

    Like cursing your parents, trimming your beard, planting wheat & barley in the same

    furrow, eating pork, wearing polyester and masturbation!”

    “And what did Jesus have to say?

    Yeah what did he say about being gay?

    Well — nothing.”

    Roy Zimmerman. Ted Haggard is Completely Hetrosexual.

    Dingo

  • cptdoom

    A few pointless murders of gay people or federal judges are going to do wonders for fundie xianity.

    They will put themselves in the same class as ISIS, Al Qeda, Boko Haram, and the other terrorists. And end up just as popular.

    As much as I hate to contemplate it, I really do think we will see some level of anti-gay violence after a SC decision for marriage equality. It won’t be organized, but with the rhetoric we are hearing from the anti-gay side, I have to think some nut job is going to shoot up a gay bar or a Pride celebration.

  • John Pieret

    StevoR @ 5:

    in Australia I’m pretty certain that this sort of rant would indeed get you arrested for inciting hatred. In the US of A? I ‘m not sure.

    Not in the US. Hate speech isn’t a crime in our country and can’t be because of the 1st Amendment. In order to get in trouble for things like this, Manning would have to be in the vicinity of an imminent violent confrontation and urge others to commit violence. The US has a proud tradition of letting stupid people say whatever dumb things enter their heads almost all of the time.

  • dingojack

    John Pieret — “The US has a proud tradition of letting stupid people say whatever dumb things enter their heads almost all of the time.”

    [Reads various threads]

    Yes — that’s certainly apparent… 😀

    Dingo

  • eric

    You can try to arrest me, saying that I’m inciting murderous behavior. Go ahead and try. See if that will stand up in court

    At the moment he’s probably safe from criminal charges. But I imagine if any gay teen is killed by one of Manning’s followers, the parents might win a civil suit against him. IANAL but IIRC in a civil suit you only have to show ‘a preponderance of evidence’ (i.e., >50% chance) that he incited the violence, you do not have to prove incitement ‘beyond reasonable doubt.’

  • theguy

    “we’re gonna have to be willing to kill as well. You can try to arrest me, saying that I’m inciting murderous behavior. Go ahead and try. See if that will stand up in court.”

    I’m sure it will after you’ve killed your first million, Pastor Batshit. We’ll hold the trials in Nuremberg.

  • Scientismist

    But the other thing – if we’re gonna win this battle against Obama, the long-leggy mack daddy, the quasi-Muslim freak, the vice president of both death and hell, against the sodomites, against racism – we’re gonna have to be willing to kill as well.

    In what way is this very disturbed person in a “battle against racism?” My only guess would be that this derives from the right-wing delusion that anything and everything Obama does is anti-white racism. Which would mean that this is even more specifically targeted as a “willing to kill” rant against the POTUS. He doesn’t say he is willing, only that “we’re gonna have to be willing” (whoever “we” is); but I trust the Secret Service will be keeping an eye on him, at the very least.

  • JustaTech

    Let’s see, you want to “win this battle for the lord God almighty” by specifically and explicitly violating Commandment #6 “thou shalt not kill”?

    Sure, that makes sense.

  • D. C. Sessions

    They will put themselves in the same class as ISIS, Al Qeda, Boko Haram, and the other terrorists. And end up just as popular.

    It’s a nice Friday in April and I don’t have anything pressing I have to do, so would you mind sharing whatever it is you’ve been toking?

    Because he obviously is neither brown nor Muslim, so by definition he can’t be a terrorist. If decades of “lone wolves” like McVeigh and Roeder don’t get qualify, none of Manning’s murderers will either.

    And, yeah, band name.

  • lorn

    Of course, there is one widely accepted exception to the absolute ‘thou shalt not kill thing’, someone attempting to murder you.

  • felidae

    And Jesus said when he confronted the mob about to stone the adulterous woman: “kill this filthy bitch right now for she has violated the law”

  • Michael Heath

    I doubt we’ll see much violence from conservative Christians if the SCOTUS protects the equal protection rights of gay people.

    Believing the Bible is inerrant requires such a level of cowardice they deny even reality; that coupled to the fact they’re predominately old and rally to chicken hawks. That’s not a sufficient mix of traits to become actual martyrs or killers. We will see them egg others on to do what they’re impotent to do.

  • Pierce R. Butler

    D. C. Sessions @ # 17: … he obviously is neither brown …

    You may need to reconsider this part of your premise.

  • caseloweraz

    I wonder what opinion Pastor Manning has of Jeremiah Wright. Judging by their biographies, I suspect Manning’s opinion would be one of antipathy.

    Those biographies reveal two very different lives. Wright served in the Marine Corps, rising to Pfc then becoming a Navy medic who attended President Lyndon Johnson after his 1966 surgery. If Manning ever served in the military, his biography does not reveal it. Wright earned Masters degrees from Howard University and the University of Chicago Divinity School; he went on to get a Doctor of Ministry degree from United Theological Seminary in Dayton, Ohio. He also has 7 honorary doctoral degrees. Manning holds a “Doctor of Philosophy” degree from his own (unaccredited) ATLAH Theological Seminary.

    But the crucial factor distinguishing the two men, I think, lies in this paragraph from Manning’s biography.

    He became radicalized in the 1960s and said he was driven by his hatred of white people. As a younger man, Manning burgled homes, mostly on Long Island. Between 1969 and 1974, he said, he broke into as many as 100 houses, and once threatened an associate with a loaded shotgun. He spent about three and a half years in prison in New York and Florida for burglary, robbery, larceny, criminal possession of a weapon, and other charges before his release in 1978. While in prison, he became a devout Christian. Manning has said that his past life of crime and then incarceration have helped to shape his wider perspective upon life, and that he does not shy away from discussing it.

    Manning calmly urges his followers to be willing to kill to oppose nonexistent evils, yet it is Wright who the national media hold in contempt — and for one righteous outburst against real injustice.