Ultra-Orthodox Misogynists Commit Violence Over Pro-Equality Bus Ads

The ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel have struck again. Perpetually offended at the notion that women are human beings with equal rights because their mythical god doesn’t like vaginas, they slashed the tires and thrown rocks at buses carrying an ad for Women at the Wall, a group seeking equal rights for women to worship at the Wailing Wall.

Dozens of ultra-Orthodox Jews hurled stones and slashed the tires of buses bearing ads promoting female worship at a key Jerusalem holy site, Israeli police said Tuesday.

The attack, which happened on Monday night in Jerusalem’s ultra-Orthodox Mea Shearim neighborhood, underscores the still simmering tensions in Israel over religious extremists who want to separate the sexes in public spaces.

Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said police units were dispatched to quell the violence in Mea Shearim where about 50 men slashed tires and pelted the buses with stones.

The ads were posted by the group Women of the Wall, which seeks to achieve gender equality at the Western Wall, the holiest place where Jews can pray. The advertisements showed girls and women wearing prayer shawls and holding a Torah scroll — rituals seen by many Orthodox Jews as reserved for men only.

So it turns out that Jewish misogynists are no better than Christian, Muslim or — yep — atheist ones.

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  • raven

    A Portrait of Jewish Americans | Pew Research Center’s Religion …

    http://www.pewforum.org/…/jewish-american-beliefs-attitudes-culture-survey/

    Oct 1, 2013 – One-third (35%) of all U.S. Jews identify with the Reform movement, while 18% … no religion) say they do not identify with any particular Jewish denomination. Though Orthodox Jews constitute the smallest of the three major …

    Ironically, the largest US Jewish sects are Reform and other progresssives. They ordain female Rabbis and there are nearly a thousand.

    I know many US Jews are wondering just why they support Israel any more. Their version of fundies, which are like xian and Moslem fundies, have taken over the country.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    What did the police charge them with?

  • aziraphale

    “girls and women wearing prayer shawls”

    Disgusting. They should go bareheaded as God designed them.

  • colnago80

    Re raven @ #1

    <I know many US Jews are wondering just why they support Israel any more.

    Where are they planning to go if things turn sour in the US? Don’t tell me he can’t happen here. Jews in Germany had it pretty good before 1933.

  • http://www.thelosersleague.com theschwa

    So it turns out that Jewish misogynists are no better than Christian, Muslim or — yep — atheist ones.

    I’d argue that atheist misogynists are better than the others. They are at least honest about being assholes; they do not hide behind God.

  • raven

    Where are they planning to go if things turn sour in the US? Don’t tell me he can’t happen here. Jews in Germany had it pretty good before 1933.

    I’ve got a better question.

    Where are they, meaning the Israeli Jews, going to go when things go pear shaped in Israel. Which can not only happen, but in a variety of ways, is happening?

    Many of the educated and progressives end up in the USA. There are over 100,000 Israelis in the USA. Others end up in Europe. Ironically, more than a few are ending up in…Germany.

  • Pierce R. Butler

    … their mythical god doesn’t like vaginas…

    No, but he’s got a foreskin fetish from hell.

  • grumpyoldfart

    police units were dispatched to quell the violence

    Let me guess the next bit: No arrests were made.

  • Artor

    Jews in Germany had it pretty good before 1933.

    Are you fucking kidding me? Dude, do you even History? This has got to be one of the more amazingly ignorant things Colnago has said, and that’s quite a hurdle. Wow…

  • John Pieret

    aziraphale:

    Disgusting. They should go bareheaded as God designed them.

    No, no! They should be barefoot and pregnant as God designed them!

  • troll

    Well, we know how the IDF typically responds to stone throwing…

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    grumpyoldfart “Let me guess the next bit: No arrests were made.”

    How would they? The women weren’t even there!

  • colnago80

    Re Artor @ #9

    There were Jews in the German Reichstag, in the pre-Hister German governments and the percentage of Jewish professors in German universities was much greater then their percentage of the population (about 1%). Sound familiar. The Jews in Germany had it better then their co-religionists in Britain and France, and not worse then their co-religionists in the US.

  • colnago80

    It should be pointed out that activities of the Haredim in Israel are also seen in certain neighborhoods in New York City. The cops in NY seem to be about as enthusiastic at enforcing the law in those neighborhoods as the cops in Jerusalem are. And Mayor DeBlasio, as was his predecessor, former Mayor Bloomberg, isn’t doing anything about it.

  • caseloweraz

    Even in the Bible Belt, AFAIK, fundamentalists haven’t attacked the vehicles carrying atheist ads; they just vandalize the posters. Without question, these Orthodox Israelis are misogynists. That conclusion is no surprise, of course.

  • dingojack

    “So it turns out that Jewish misogynists are no better than Christian, Muslim or — yep — atheist ones. ”

    I’m sorry Ed – did I miss that story in the media about the misogynist atheists slashing the tires then stoning a bus displaying posters of women with religious items, causing so much trouble that the cops had come and quell the disturbance?!? Where was this?

    @@

    Dingo

  • nrdo

    @ raven #1 The reason many Jews remain engaged and supportive of Israel is because, among other things, it gives them some ability to influence the future direction of the country. Israel is home to millions of real people from relatively disadvantaged groups – women, African migrants, Bedouin Arabs, gays etc. – and the fight for their full civil rights will, like in most countries, be a long, multi-generational struggle.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    Jews in Germany had it pretty good before 1933.

    Given the anti-Jewish hatred that had been a standard feature in Central Europe for centuries before 1933, I’d say “pretty good” is a relative, and damn near meaningless, term; and one not really supported by colnago’s clarifications.

    In fact, colnago’s remark sounds very close to what the Nazis and other bigots said about Jews a the time: “look how good they have it, while the rest of us have it so hard!” Followed by some very narrow factual citations about one or two small economic sectors where Jews are a little over-represented relative to their proportion of the gen-pop. Yet another instance of colnago sounding suspiciously like a Nazi.

  • laurentweppe

    I know many US Jews are wondering just why they support Israel any more

    Because when Israel collapses the fundies safely kept away on the other side of the Pond will come back toward american shores?

  • doublereed

    The Ultra-Orthodox are nothing but a bunch of thugs.

    There are organizations who try to help people leave the horrible communities like Footsteps.

  • doublereed

    @18 Raging Bee

    In fact, colnago’s remark sounds very close to what the Nazis and other bigots said about Jews a the time: “look how good they have it, while the rest of us have it so hard!” Followed by some very narrow factual citations about one or two small economic sectors where Jews are a little over-represented relative to their proportion of the gen-pop. Yet another instance of colnago sounding suspiciously like a Nazi.

    Just wanted to point out that this is still the hallmark of anti-Jewish sentiment. It’s not really indicative of Nazi-ness. Acting as if the not-dominant group is in fact dominant, this kind of stuff is said all the time in America and Europe. Hell, I’ve had it argued to me that Jewish Privilege is a thing in America.

  • colnago80

    Re Dingojack @ #16

    Brayton may have been referring to the brouhaha over the Michael Shermer affair at one of the Amazing Meetings. According to PZ Myers, Shermer’s behavior was, shall we say, less then honorable. May have also been referring to the alleged behavior of Lawrence Krauss, I believe at the same meeting, ole “let’s go up to my room for a little three way action”.

  • raven

    The reason many Jews remain engaged and supportive of Israel is because, among other things, it gives them some ability to influence the future direction of the country.

    1. That is nice and all. I wish them well. I’ve done the same thing here, with my people having a lot of success in the late 20th century, which is now going backwards in the 21st.

    2. But right now, they are losing. Israel is even more of a sharply divided society than the USA and their progressives are out of power and wondering if they have any place or future there.

    To make it worse, most of the ultra-orthodox men don’t work and have like 8 kids. The progressives not only don’t have any power, their taxes are going to support groups that really, seriously hate them.

    There is no guarantee that the good people will win.

  • colnago80

    Re weppe @ #19

    Hopefully, they will go to France if weppe’s wet dream comes to fruition (ain’t going to happen). It’s weppe who should be looking for a bolthole. How about Montreal, a lot of French speakers there.

  • Steve Morrison

    OT: New Mexico just passed a law banning asset forfeiture.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    And once again, colnago @24 falls back on his standard reflex of accusing others of having “wet dreams” of Israel’s destruction. (Hey, it’s not Weppe who’s incessantly wanking about “tsar bombes,” is it?) Why is this lying attention-hogging (and possibly Nazi) piece of shit even still here?

  • dingojack

    Never mind SLC – maybe they’ll let you use some of those imaginary 100Mt nukes on France*. That’ll make you feel better!

    Dingo

    ———

    * Or not, since your Cassandra-like prognostications always seem to end up to be much more Bill Kristol-like…

  • colnago80

    Re dingojack @ #27

    Citation needed for the claim that Russia no longer has any 100Mt bombs (if they have retired their entire fleet of Bear bombers, they wouldn’t be able to deliver one).

    Raging Bee @ #26

    Given how ofter Weppe drones on about the coming demise of Israel, it sure seems like a wet dream to me.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    Oh, okay, it “seems that way” to a flaming racist who’s been proven wrong about damn near everything else he talks about. What a credible justification that turned out not to be.

  • wreck

    @ Mo #2:

    “What did the police charge them with?”

    Aggravated shmekl waving. And just generally being a bunch of shvants.

  • dingojack

    SLC — Uh – that whole 100Mt nukes thing is your claim numbnuts.

    The ball’s in your court.

    Dingo

  • laurentweppe

    And once again, colnago @24 falls back on his standard reflex of accusing others of having “wet dreams” of Israel’s destruction. (Hey, it’s not Weppe who’s incessantly wanking about “tsar bombes,” is it?)

    Not only that, but I dread Israel’s collapse, If anything, such an event will mean that Europe (not the US) will have to deal with the 21th century’s equivalent of the Pieds-Noirs repatriation, and given that the first one was an ungodly mess, i’d rather see the Israelis and Palestinians make peace, merge their country and start intermarrying with each other.

    In other words, my “Wet” dream regarding the region is that the locals start fucking the ethnic conflict into utter irrelevance.

  • doublereed

    Make love not war

  • colnago80

    Re dingojack @ #31

    See attached video. In fairness, the yield from the bomb was “only” 57 Mt as it was tamped down in to avoid destroying the Bear bomber that dropped it. It’s theoretical yield was 100 Mt.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNYe_UaWZ3U

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    wreck “Aggravated shmekl waving. And just generally being a bunch of shvants.”

    Plus when they damaged the poster they got schmutz on a punim.

  • colnago80

    Re weppe @ #32

    i’d rather see the Israelis and Palestinians make peace, merge their country and start intermarrying with each other.

    Gee, that really worked out well in the former Czechoslovakia, the former Soviet Union, the former Yugoslavia, etc.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    Gee, that really worked out well in the former Czechoslovakia…

    Actually, that country was rather peacefully partitioned, and they’re not having to scream for the bombing of any much larger nation, and they’re not feeling any need to occupy, besiege, or ghettoize any part of any neighboring state. So yeah, it DID work out well in the former Czechoslovakia. Care to tell us why you have a problem with that? Or why you had to conflate that example with two totally different examples? Perhaps you had an emotional reaction to the idea of “miscegenation” that kept you from sounding any more intelligent than usual?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=611455454 David Hart

    Gee, that really worked out well in the former Czechoslovakia, the former Soviet Union, the former Yugoslavia, etc.

    For what it’s worth, Czechoslovakia managed to partition itself into two countries a lot more peacefully than Israel/Palestine is currently maintaining itself as sorta-one-and-a-half countries. And the Soviet Union, so far as I can tell, also came to an end with a minimum of violence. So I’m not sure what your argument is there*.

    Regarding Yugoslavia, are you claiming that the cause of its collapse into violence was two much interbreeding between its constituent ethnic groups?

    *Okay, I’ll grant you that Russia now, under Putin, is behaving less than politely, but again, if the peoples of the Soviet Union had all interbred into a relatively homogenised common culture, I don’t see how that would have made the Soviet collapse more likely, or made Russia more likely to attack its neighbours now.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=611455454 David Hart

    *Too much interbreeding. My knigdom for an edit function :-)

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    David Hart: Yeah, I really have no idea what ANY of colnago’s examples have to do with the alleged dangers of ethnic interbreeding. He’s really starting to look like a full-blown closet Nazi — “final solutions,” victim-blaming stories of Hitler’s ancestry, ethnic-purity concerns, and all.

  • busterggi

    Rhomann Dey: Well, I don’t know if I believe anyone is 100% a dick…

    He never met an Abrahamic fundamentalist.

  • colnago80

    Re Raging Bee & David Hart

    The placing Czechs and Slovaks, Russians and Ukrainians etc. and Serbs and Croats etc. in the same nation was a monumental failure. Why do you think that placing Israelis and Palestinians in the same nation would be any different?

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    The placing Czechs and Slovaks, Russians and Ukrainians etc. and Serbs and Croats etc. in the same nation was a monumental failure.

    What, they would have been better off fighting each other? Read some actual history, you stupid fuckhead — the problems they had as one nation* weren’t caused by interbreeding, they were caused by the particular forms of government they had.

    _____________________

    * And no, all of those ethnic groups were NEVER “in the same nation.” Are you mentally incapable of keeping your stupidity to yourself?

  • freemage

    dingojack says

    April 13, 2015 at 11:23 am

    “So it turns out that Jewish misogynists are no better than Christian, Muslim or — yep — atheist ones. ”

    I’m sorry Ed – did I miss that story in the media about the misogynist atheists slashing the tires then stoning a bus displaying posters of women with religious items, causing so much trouble that the cops had come and quell the disturbance?!? Where was this?

    @@

    Dingo

    Well, which is worse? Death and rape threats for saying, “Guys, don’t do that?”, or vandalizing an unoccupied bus. Both are criminal acts, meant to intimidate the target into silence, while relying on the odds against criminal prosecution as a shield for such offenses.

  • colnago80

    Re Raging Bee @ #43

    I stated that badly. Obviously Czechs and Slovaks were in the same nation (Czechoslovakia), Russians and Ukrainians were in the same nation (first Russia, then the Soviet Union), Serbs and Croats were in the same nation (Yugoslavia). For whatever reason it didn’t work out and the various factions parted company, sometimes peaceably, sometimes not so peaceably. That’s part of the problem in many countries in the Middle East. Alawites and Sunnis in Syria, Shiites, Sunnis, and Kurds in Iraq. Given their current animosity, there is not the slightest reason to believe that Israelis and Palestinians could get along in Palestine.

    By the way, the one state solution for the Indian subcontinent didn’t work out too well either. We know have a 3 state solution in place.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    Dude, you’ve barely even scratched the surface of how lame an argument you made. It’s not just “stated badly,” it’s just plain FALSE: Like I said before, none of those ethnic groups did all that badly under their respective unified regimes; and in most cases, the loss of that unity left them worse off, not better.

    Also, do I really need to remind you that it was INTERBREEDING you were originally objecting to, not political unity? Your racist mindset is as obvious as the dumbass pseudo-history you make up to disguise it.

  • colnago80

    Re Raging Bee @ #46

    Also, do I really need to remind you that it was INTERBREEDING you were originally objecting to, not political unity?

    I did no such thing. I was merely pointing out that one state solutions with many ethnic groups within don’t seem to work out too well and gave examples. Interbreeding is a separate issue. I have no objection to interbreeding. Hell, our president is an example of interbreeding.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    I did no such thing. I was merely pointing out that one state solutions with many ethnic groups within don’t seem to work out too well and gave examples.

    …in response to a suggestion that Israelis and Arabs interbreed. So yes, your ignorant-assed history lesson was offered as an objection to the idea of interbreeding.

  • sundoga

    Ah, Colnago, the Tsar Bomba was a test weapon. The Soviets (as we ourselves) never built much larger than a 1-2 MT device for actual use – more than that is serious overkill. On anything.

    (FYI, the largest bomb we ever tested was the Castle Bravo shot – meant to be 8MT, actually topped out at 16MT – we learned a lot from it, as no doubt the Soviet Physicists did from Tsar Bomba.)

  • colnago80

    Re sundoga @ #49

    The Atlas 2 was designed to deliver a 5 Mt warhead. It wasn’t a very useful 2nd strike weapon and debatable as a 1st strike weapon as it was liquid fueled. Liquid fuel could not be stored in the missile so it had to be fueled before use. As I understand it, the fueling took several hours, during which the launch site would be destroyed by the opposition’s first strike.

  • sundoga

    I think you’re thinking of the Atlas E/F, not the Atlas II. The II was designed from the ground up as a satellite launch vehicle.

    However, you’re right, the E/F was designed with a 5MT warhead in mind. It’s deployment actually gave it a smaller warhead – 3.75MT – but still very big, and as far as I know, the largest one anybody deployed. (Thanks for that, I’d forgotten the Atlas series).