TX Bigot: Gay People Just Like Rapists and Murderers

The Texas state legislature is considering a bill that would prohibit funds from being used to issue marriage licenses to gay couples (pointless, of course, because that law would be overturned if the Supreme Court strikes down state bans on it) and they asked ignorant bigot Steven Hotze to explain why it’s a good idea. The predictable testimony:

Saying the state should only enforce laws that are “morally right,” Hotze explained how that determination is made, stating, “First you look in the Bible.”

“There are ways around the law. We have legalization — the Supreme Court, even though I believe it was completely wrong, said it is constitutional to kill a baby in the womb,” Hotze said. “I think it’s a horrible injustice and it’s unconstitutional. But, let me just say this, in Texas we said ‘We don’t believe that’s right. So we’re going to do everything we can to protect the unborn that we possibly can,’ and we’ve done that. And that’s the same thing.”…

Saying the state should only enforce laws that are “morally right,” Hotze explained how that determination is made, stating, “First you look in the Bible.”

“There are ways around the law. We have legalization — the Supreme Court, even though I believe it was completely wrong, said it is constitutional to kill a baby in the womb,” Hotze said. “I think it’s a horrible injustice and it’s unconstitutional. But, let me just say this, in Texas we said ‘We don’t believe that’s right. So we’re going to do everything we can to protect the unborn that we possibly can,’ and we’ve done that. And that’s the same thing.”

It’s just such a stupid argument. Do they really not grasp the distinction here? Let me spell it out: Whether a gay couple gets married or not does not harm them in any way whatsoever. It doesn’t affect them at all. Murder and rape obviously do. That’s why one should be illegal and the other not. It’s really not that difficult to understand. The average 10 year old could figure it out. Are they just dumb or are they being disingenuous? I don’t really care, to be honest. They are defending oppression with a monumentally idiotic argument.

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  • ZugTheMegasaurus

    Looks like the second quote didn’t get pasted, so here’s his next quote in the article:

    “If you make that a standard, that it’s a person’s chosen behavior, no matter what it is, it gives them minority status? You’ve got to be kidding. Where do you stop?’ Hotze said incredulously. “Look, if people are involved in activities that are immoral and wrong, you can love them, but you don’t respect what they do and you try and help them find a way out. Whether they’re alcoholics, whether they’re murderers or adulterers. Whether they’re perverts, pornographers or whatever. You want help them. Or homosexuals, you want to help them out.”

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    So we’re going to do everything we can to protect the unborn that we possibly can,’ and we’ve done that…

    …by defunding Planned Parenthood (costing Texas Medicaid funding) followed up by cutting Family Planning budget. On the plus side, the Armed Unborn Act of 2015 looks set to sail through their legislature.

  • U Frood

    Apparently Hotze has never read the Bible.

  • John Pieret

    Are they just dumb or are they being disingenuous?

    Worse, they’re both.

  • eric

    Even in Texas, I can’t imagine it would hold up in local or state courts if the state charged straight people one price for a marriage license and charged gay people a higher price (because the state couldn’t contribute to paying for it).

    Heck, I can’t imagine it would hold up in a local or state court if the state decided to charge actual convicted murderers and rapists extra for a marriage license.

  • scienceavenger

    Do they really not grasp the distinction here?

    Come on Ed, you’ve been in this game way too long to not get this. They grasp the distinction, they just don’t measure morality the way you (and I) do. They don’t care about harm. They care about God’s word. Sure, it’s an idiotic argument, but the idiocy is in thinking Biblical morality should be the standard, not in lack of recognition of the harm that sometimes produces.

  • fmitchell

    They’re just being consistent. If their god didn’t tell them not to, they’d rape and murder and commit homosexual acts and dance. Luckily they’re Christian, so they make everything their god doesn’t like illegal, no matter what common law and common sense says. To help people (into a crowded prison or Death Row).

  • lofgren

    I think the inclusion of alcoholics, adulterers, and pornographers really makes the comment even more damning. It’s statements like this that are making me skeptical of the value of “morality” as a useful construct. However Hotze defines morality, it’s obvious that the concept has absolutely no value for determining how the community should address those behaviors. Even if you accept that alcoholism and murder are moral failings that must both be prevented, the most effective way of minimizing the frequency of those behaviors is going to be wildly different. It might be a useful rhetorical trick to throw them all into the same list, but when it comes to determining public policy that way of thinking is going to do more harm than good.

    So let’s say that there is some mysterious cosmic consequence to homosexual activity (I’ll even use the religious right definition of homosexuality as a romantic or sexual encounter between two people with the same genitals rather than the more modern definition referencing desire and proclivity) that is worse than the loathing, violence, and debasement induced by homophobia. OK, fine. Do you really believe that preventing them from getting a few perks for signing a piece of paper is going to reduce that effect? Even if the community has some heretofore undemonstrated and unsubstantiated interest in discouraging homosexuality, the best way to address that issue will not be based on the model of murderers and rapists.

  • gshelley

    It amazes me that any of the states have the nerve to go in front of the Supreme Court and basically lie to them that their reasons aren’t entirely religious.

    It must be hard enough making that argument when pretty much everyone else who is against it who says anything uses religious justification, but when they have state legislatures flagrantly doing the same, I just don’t know how they can expect to be taken seriously (though as we saw in the 6th circuit, all the really need to do is to give the judges an excuse)

  • wreck

    “Look, if people are involved in activities that are immoral and wrong, you can love them, but you don’t respect what they do and you try and help them find a way out. Whether they’re alcoholics, whether they’re murderers or adulterers. Whether they’re perverts, pornographers or whatever.”

    What if they’re judgmental fundamentalist bigoted assholes?

  • marcus

    wreck @^ Well I wouldn’t love them, nor hate them either, really.

    I think despising them and all they stand for would be appropriate.

    Removing them from power would be a really good idea…

    Oh… rhetorical.

  • StevoR

    @6. scienceavenger : “They don’t care about harm. They care about God’s word.”

    Do they now?

    Given how much of their Holy Book and its laws get ignored and how they just cherry-pick and choose to emphasise just certain very small parts of it I find that claim rather dubious. I think Jim Wright of the Stonekettle station blog pointed that out brilliantly here :

    http://www.stonekettle.com/2015/04/dear-christians-modest-proposal.html

    Long but superb piece . Scroll down for the most relevant bit starting here :

    Since the primary Christian objections to homosexuality come from the Book of Leviticus, let’s just us see what other requirements that part of the Bible levies on Christians, shall we?

    Of course the whole “God hates Shrimp” group also makes much the same point as well.

  • anubisprime

    “There are ways around the law”

    Ahh that old chestnut that fundy dumbass Xtians always love to peel and pop!

    Doc Dino tried that….did not end well!

  • birgerjohansson

    “Gay People Just Like Rapists and Murderers”

    Because they all have an oxygen-based metabolism. To avoid association, I suggest Hotze should hold his breath. For a couple of hours.

  • Kermit Sansoo

    It’s really not that difficult to understand. The average 10 year old could figure it out. Are they just dumb or are they being disingenuous?

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    Don’t be silly, Ed. They couldn’t possibly match the moral sophistication of a 10 year old. Their moral developmental level is that of a toddler: what Daddy says goes; what Daddy wants is right, what daddy doesn’t want is bad. They have been actively and generally effectively conditioned to not progress beyond that level.

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    This is why they cannot understand how atheists can claim to be moral – if we don’t have a magical Daddy who is scary beyond all measure telling us what to do, how can we claim to know right from wrong?

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    And this is why they can throw into one sentence behaviors as disparate as rape, murder, gay sex, and sleeping in on Sundays. They are all disobeying Daddy behaviors. What in God’s name does informed consent have to do with it?

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    (Also, too, they used to have a Mommy, but she went away and we don’t talk about her anymore.)

  • moarscienceplz

    Saying the state should only enforce laws that are “morally right,” Hotze explained how that determination is made, stating, “First you look in the Bible.”

    You mean like stoning adulterers to death? Sounds good to me!