Trent Franks Tosses a Mean Word Salad on Iran

Rep. Trent Franks is one of the more ignorant and dimwitted members of the House, just a small step above Louis Gohmert. On the Family Research Council radio show he tossed a rather absurd word salad about Iran that I imagine will strike you as being as amusing and ridiculous as I do.

“There comes a time when Israel will not be able to reach from the air, without some ground forces, some of the potential facilities that could come into being and if they don’t do it at the right time, it may be essentially too late for them to reach that, so they’re in an extremely difficult circumstance,” Franks said.

“All I can say is that if America lets Israel down, America will be letting America down and America will be letting the world down.” Franks continued: “I sometimes do not have the intellectual wattage to overcome the bewilderment in my heart when an American president stands by and lets Israel, our most vital ally in the world, be threatened by a dangerous, hellish regime like exists in Iran today and allows the potential of jihad to put their finger on the nuclear button. It is a disgrace that literally defies description in the English language.”

He doesn’t have the intellectual wattage to overcome the bewilderment of his heart? I certainly agree with the first part, but what on earth does that mean? And “jihad” is not an organization or anything that takes action, it’s a form of action. And why in the world does he think that Israel could not reach facilities in Iran by air? Especially when the agreement with Iran forbids the building of any new facilities and has very strong monitoring to prevent it. This is just paranoid gibberish.

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  • Larry

    Our most vital ally in the world?? WTF?

  • rietpluim

    Yeah, without Israel, the US would have been eradicated by jihadists decades ago.

  • Dave Maier

    “On the Family Research Council radio show he tossed a rather absurd word salad about Iran that I imagine will strike you as being as amusing and ridiculous as I do.”

    Cmon Ed, you’re not *that* ridiculous.

  • gshelley

    Well, without Israel, Jesus can’t come back

  • colnago80

    Israel doesn’t need to reach Iran by air. They can launch nuclear tipped cruise missiles from their Dolphin class submarines, purchased from Deutschland, stationed in the Persian Gulf.

  • http://www.pandasthumb.org Area Man

    Israel, our most vital ally in the world…

    It’s hard to think of any actions we’ve taken in the Mid East over the last half century in which Israel was anything other than a liability.

  • colnago80

    Shorter Area Man @ #6

    Throw Israel under the bus.

  • colnago80

    Re Area Man @ #6

    Given the situation elsewhere in the Middle East, Israel is the only country it that area where we have any assurance of being able to land a plane 6 months from now.

  • caseloweraz

    “There comes a time when Israel will not be able to reach from the air, without some ground forces, some of the potential facilities that could come into being and if they don’t do it at the right time, it may be essentially too late for them to reach that, so they’re in an extremely difficult circumstance,” Franks said.

    I think he means that Iran could build underground enrichment plants so hardened that nothing Israel has can touch them. He’s right: that could happen. However, it’s a lot less likely under the inspection regime proposed by president Obama’s negotiating team, which certain members of Congress would like to scuttle.

  • dingojack

    SLC – what, will Israel’s special-sooper-secret burrowing (100 Mt nuclear tipped) missiles take out all the airtraffic controllers in the Middle-East?!?

    Dingo

  • colnago80

    Re dingojack @ #10

    Nobody has a missile with sufficient lift to deliver a 100 Mt bomb. In fact, I’m not sure if anybody has bomber with sufficient lift to deliver a Tsar bomba (I believe that Russia has retired all their Bear turboprop bombers, one of which was used in the test of the Tsar bomba).

  • http://www.pandasthumb.org Area Man

    Given the situation elsewhere in the Middle East, Israel is the only country it that area where we have any assurance of being able to land a plane 6 months from now.

    That’s ridiculous. We’ve have air bases in Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, the UAE, Oman, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Turkmenistan. You know where we don’t have an air base? Our supposedly bestest ally, Israel.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    Utter bullshit, colnago. Landing planes in the Middle East is the LEAST of America’s problems. Go back to babbling uselessly about specific types of hardware — logistics is clearly outside your wheelhouse.

  • colnago80

    Re Area Man @ #12

    The fact that we have bases in those countries today is no guarantee that we will be allowed to land a plane there 6 months from now, given the instability in the area. As for Israel, the US Air Force has prepositioned supplies at a number of IAF bases for just such a contingency.

    Re Raging Bee @ #13

    Yawn.

  • http://www.pandasthumb.org Area Man

    The fact that we have bases in those countries today is no guarantee that we will be allowed to land a plane there 6 months from now, given the instability in the area.

    The idea that every one of those countries, including NATO ally Turkey, are going to bar us from landing planes is preposterous. And if any of them did, the only possible reason is… Israel.

  • Michael Heath

    Rep. Trent Franks writes:

    I sometimes do not have the intellectual wattage to overcome the bewilderment in my heart when an American president stands by and lets Israel, our most vital ally in the world . . .

    [Heath bolded]

    Consider the fallacies required to attempt to defend that bald assertion.

  • Michael Heath

    Area Man writes:

    It’s hard to think of any actions we’ve taken in the Mid East over the last half century in which Israel was anything other than a liability.

    It goes further back than that. Back to when it was liberal authoritarians in the 1940s that had the Truman Administration violating American ideals at the expense of our country’ interests, the west in general, and the people in Israel’s jurisdiction that Israel failed to protect equally.

  • busterggi

    The US can’t afford to lose Israel – who else will out politicians take orders from if they are gone?

  • k_machine

    “hellish regime”? Like the one in Saudi Arabia (close US ally with an active nuclear power program).

  • felidae

    “I sometimes do not have the intellectual wattage to overcome the bewilderment in my heart”

    OK, Trent, just stop right there, you have made your case, we believe you, sit down and shut the fuck up

  • StevoR

    @6. Area Man : “It’s hard to think of any actions we’ve taken in the Mid East over the last half century in which Israel was anything other than a liability.”

    In addition to what Colnago80 noted at #6 about this showing your willingness to condemn a whole nation of 6 million or so people to oblivion, it simply isn’t true.

    Israel was quite handy during the Cold War in opposing Communist backed Arab nations and in developing an awful lot of excellent scientific and military technology used by the US of A along with lots of others.

    See : http://articles.latimes.com/2011/oct/31/opinion/la-oe-blackwill-israel-20111031

    Among many other places.

  • StevoR

    Just wondering whether ‘Area Man’, ‘Raging Bee’ and the other usual Israel-basing arguably anti-Semitic suspects here have ever once said or observed and noted anything good about the Jewish nation of Israel and its people, policies and history? If , as it seems tome, they never once have, if every single time Israel is raised or so spoken about by them its in negative hostile way then what does that tell us all about them and the value of their comments and mindset?

  • StevoR

    @ ^ Typo fix : That’s “Israel bashing” not ‘Israel basing’ natch. Also “as it seems tome = if as it seems to me.” Sigh.

  • StevoR

    @18. busterggi : “The US can’t afford to lose Israel – who else will out politicians take orders from if they are gone?”

    The Reptilians, the Illuminati, the secret lunar or is it Antartican based nazis? Conspiracy Theory much?

    This bigoted tinfoil hat wearer meme that Teh Jooozzz secretly rule US politicians is equally stupid and a lot less comically amusing than any of those alternatives offered in my first sentence of this here comment. Please rethink.

  • dingojack

    Stevo* (#21) – Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!

    So you’re agreeing with ol’ “whatever the problem, the solution is to just nuke the crap outta the people I dislike, and hand-wave away the fallout later [literally]” SLC, Stevo?

    ‘Condemning people to oblivion’? Oh the delicious irony.

    Dingo

    ———

    * why post once, when 3 or 4 times does the trick… 😉

  • StevoR

    @ ^ dingojack : No – that isn’t what I’m saying.

    As for (*) ah if only it did. I always think of something else ten seconds later – even if I wait ten seconds later. Sigh.

  • StevoR

    PS. I do think Area Man’s comment @ #6 was being really callous towards Israel’s population of real human individuals as well as being factually inaccurate. That would be wrong in your opinion because ___________________________ ?

    (Feel free to fill in the blank here. NB. Just because colnago80 says something doesn’t mean its wrong.)

    PPS. I do NOT want to see Iran or anywhere else get bombed or attacked if it can possibly be avoided and it usually can be.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    Just wondering whether ‘Area Man’, ‘Raging Bee’ and the other usual Israel-basing arguably anti-Semitic suspects here have ever once said or observed and noted anything good about the Jewish nation of Israel and its people, policies and history?

    First, Stevie, you prove your bigotry, and your total lack of fitness for grownup dialogue, every time you revert to calling Israel’s critics “anti-Semitic.” Do you really think you’re fooling anyone here? Do you also believe that critics of US policies are “anti-American” or “anti-White?”

    And second, who the fuck are you to demand we say nice things about Israel before you deign to acknowledge our opinions? Does Your Lordship have a minimum quota of nice things we have to say per week? You’ve repeatedly proven yourself to be a total fucking idiot, so you’re the LAST person who has any right to be the tone-cop here.

    Take your hypocritical hyper-defensive bluster and shove it back where it came from.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    This bigoted tinfoil hat wearer meme that Teh Jooozzz secretly rule US politicians is equally stupid…

    You say that AFTER so many Republicans openly demand that America kiss Israel’s ass, and openly invite the Israeli head of state to act as Shadow President of the United States? You’re in no position to call anyone stupid.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    Israel was quite handy during the Cold War in opposing Communist backed Arab nations…

    Really? Please remind us what Israel prevented those “Communist backed Arab nations” from doing? Supporting Palestinian terrorists? Inciting Arabs to hate Israel? Creating OPEC?

  • StevoR

    @ ^ Raging Bee : Read this if you are able to comprehend and appreciate it – something your past comments have led many of us to doubt :

    Historically, Israel and America have had a host of overlapping strategic interests. During the Cold War, Israel played a key role containing Soviet penetration of the Middle East.

    The Soviet Union posed a real threat to the United States during the Cold War, and in the Middle East, the Soviet Union eagerly armed radical Arab states and the PLO, helping to fuel instability that would hurt American interests. Israel repeatedly demonstrated the superiority of American weaponry in war after war, discrediting the Soviet’s weaponry, training, and sponsorship. Observers believe Israel’s role played a key factor in eroding the stature of the USSR and the decision of Arab states to turn to the West for defensive needs.13 One way Israel aided the United States was to allow Americans to scrutinize state-of-the-art Soviet technology, whose value to American security in the Cold War was priceless. Among those weapons were an Iraqi MiG-21 (whose pilot defected to Israel in a complicated undercover operation in 1966), a fully operational Russian-made ground-to-air missile system captured in the 1967 Six-Day War (that contributed greatly to protecting American pilots during the Vietnam War), and a Soviet radar system capable of detecting low-flying aircraft (literally lifted intact by two Israeli CH-53 helicopters from Egypt in 1969 during the War of Attrition).

    In short, Israel has remained one of the few allies upon which the United States has always been able to count on in a crisis. Well before other Middle Eastern states curtailed their commitment to the 2003 coalition created to disarm Iraq, security expert and former U.S. Secretary of State Gen. (Ret.) Alexander Haig described Israel as “the largest pro-U.S. aircraft carrier, which doesn’t require U.S. personnel and can’t be sunk.” Indeed, Haifa has become one of the most hospitable (and safest) ports for the 6th Fleet. More recently, Israel has become a dependable base for pre-positioning emergency military stores in the Middle East, with the capability to provide close-by sophisticated medical services, if needed.

    Excerpt from : http://www.mythsandfacts.org/NOQ_OnlineEdition/Chapter17/unitedstatesisrael1.htm

    As for your #28 & 29 , Good to see you aren’t denying your and Area Man’s stupidity there merely wrongly questioning my personal position* to say so. (Why shouldn’t Judaeophobia be called out any and every time it is seen? By anyone and everyone.)

    Facts are facts and if you don’t want to be called an anti-Semite maybe you should cease making anti-Semitic, Israel bashing comments and apologise for doing so in the past.

    * You don’t know me, I don’t know you and you are certainly not in any position to judge me nor do I give a flying fuck what you think given your obvious anti-Semitism and hatred for Jewish and Israeli people. I also note that you do NOT dispute the fact that you have never once said anything good about Israel and its diverse population of fellow human individuals and their culture and history. Go figure.

  • StevoR

    PS. Incidentally, note the Republicans thing there and contrast it with how Obama has snubbed and attacked Netanyahu and how the relations between the two govts have been decidedly frosty since Obama took power. Dude, I’m not even American but I and pretty much most folks know which party Bracak Obama belongs to and it isn’t the repubs and they are not in power so who are you calling stupid again?

  • dingojack

    Stevo – soooo … nuking the living fuck outta people as a solution to all problems (and don’t worry too much about fallout, nuclear winter, world-wide droughts and the like, hand-waving and magical thinking will fix all that stuff) isn’t necessarily wrong in your opinion…

    OK – good to know where you stand on the ‘Genocidal Idiocy Scale’ then!

    @@

    Dingo

  • StevoR

    Also the supposed “invite” for Netanyahu to become “Shadow president of the USA” Dude whatever you’re smoking I’d stop now. That’s a seriously bullshit Conspiracy Theory ya got yerself there.

    Saying the USA should stand by its allies and support democratic good partners in the region whoare under siege and face potential extermination from Arab Jihadists and and dictatorships* is a ve-erry long way from inviting Netanyahu to become POTUS. (Not that he’s eligeable anyhow.) Shadow or otherwise.

    * Groups who keep saying they want to wipe Israel off the map and teaching their kids that its not a legitimate state and that Jewish people aren’t even human. There are good historical precedents throughout their history explaining why Jewish (& esp. Israeli) people have learnt to take such threats seriously as you, well obviously do not know.

  • StevoR

    @33. dingojack : WTF!?

    No. That isn’t what I’m saying here at all and why are you under that false impression please tell?

  • StevoR

    Anyhow Netanyhau has more than enough on his hands running Israel without having to worry about governing America by remote control too! He doesn’t want the job. he just wants and expects – as we all do -that his / Israel’s friends stand by it as the US of A wants its friends to stand by and support it. That the United States of America take Israel’s side not its enemies. Not too much to ask?

    (Not that Netanyahu or Israel need your permission for anything anyway.)

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    The Soviet Union posed a real threat to the United States during the Cold War…

    A threat that was: a) laughably overrated by anyone who wanted to scare the US into giving them unquestioning military support, including some truly vile tin-pot dictators; and b) most effectively blunted by political/diplomatic/economic measures such as the Marshall Plan, not by some dinky country showing off what our weapons could do. In case you’ve forgotten, Israel is NOT the only country ever to get US weapons to show off; so they’re gonna have to share the credit there.

    …and in the Middle East, the Soviet Union eagerly armed radical Arab states and the PLO, helping to fuel instability that would hurt American interests.

    Instability that was largely exacerbated by…wait for it…US support for Israeli occupation and the understandable resentment it caused among their neighbors.

    Observers believe Israel’s role played a key factor in eroding the stature of the USSR and the decision of Arab states to turn to the West for defensive needs.

    Utter bullshit. The “stature” of the USSR was most degraded by the USSR’s own actions and internal failures, and by the failures of regimes built on the “socialist development” model, such as Libya, Iraq and Syria. Giving Israel credit for that is even dumber than giving Ronald Reagan credit for it.

    In short, Israel has remained one of the few allies upon which the United States has always been able to count on in a crisis.

    Yeah — crises that were caused by US support for Israel. That’s sort of like bragging about how THC helps prevent the cancer you’d otherwise get from smoking weed.

    …security expert and former U.S. Secretary of State Gen. (Ret.) Alexander Haig…

    The same Al Haig who originally wanted us to support that asinine last-gasp-of-Francoism coup in Spain in 1981? The same Al Haig who said he was in charge when Reagan was recovering from a gunshot wound that same year? That’s your idea of an “expert?” Two words: Puh Lease.

    You don’t know me, I don’t know you and you are certainly not in any position to judge me…

    I know you and judge you by your words, and if you don’t think that’s fair, then tough shit, fuck off and stop giving us such pathetically bigoted words to judge you by.

  • dingojack

    Clearly Stevo you need to do a little reading on the rhetoric used by the Israelis toward their Arab cousins, and about their actual actions against their near (and far) neighbours*.

    As for ‘condemning people to oblivion’, you brought it up remember? And you’re the one supporting the local Genocidal Maniac….

    You figure it out, and get back to me when you’ve got something substantive to say.

    Dingo

    ———-

    * using White Phosphorus in an urban area, for example, despite the effects (look it up).

  • slc1

    Re dingojack @ #38

    using White Phosphorus in an urban area, for example, despite the effects

    Citation needed.

  • slc1

    Re Raging Bee @ #37

    In case you’ve forgotten, Israel is NOT the only country ever to get US weapons to show off; so they’re gonna have to share the credit there.

    Actually, Israel gave the US military access to captured Soviet Weapons, including a Mig 21 (back then that was the state of the art in Soviet weaponry). Knowing the capabilities of the opposition’s weaponry gives us a leg up when we have to face it in combat.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    Actually, Israel gave the US military access to captured Soviet Weapons, including a Mig 21…

    You think that makes Israel special? Plenty of Soviet pilots defected, with planes, to other countries as well as Israel; and just about every NATO nation had spies inside the USSR. Israel was far from our only source on Soviet military technology.

  • slc1

    Re Raging Bee @ #41

    Plenty of Soviet pilots defected, with planes, to other countries as well as Israel;

    Citation needed.

    Re Michael Heath @ #17

    I am well aware that Heath thinks it was a bad idea to set up the Jewish State of Israel in such a hostile environment. That is at least an arguable proposition. Perhaps, instead, resurrecting the Adolf Eichmann 1935 Madagascar proposal would have been better as it would have irritated fewer people.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    Also the supposed “invite” for Netanyahu to become “Shadow president of the USA” Dude whatever you’re smoking I’d stop now. That’s a seriously bullshit Conspiracy Theory ya got yerself there.

    What, you missed the bit where the real POTUS said something about Iran, and the Republicans didn’t like it and invited Netenyahu to offer an alternative foreign policy for the US? Whatever I’m smoking, you should try sometime — avoiding it hasn’t made you any smarter.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    Sure thing, slc1, I’ll provide that citation you want, just as soon as you provide a citation for your allegation that I “celebrated” the murder of three Israeli teenagers.

  • slc1

    Re Raging Bee @ #44

    Changing the subject will avail you of nothing.