Gallagher: Christians Will Need to Rebuild Collapsed Civilization

Maggie Gallagher went on James Dobson’s radio show and continued the bizarre claims coming from the Christian right about how letting gay people get married will destroy all of society. She told him that we’re witnessing the “collapse of civilization” and that Christians will have to rebuild it.

Declaring that the push for marriage equality is nothing more than “an attempt to impose a new morality on all of America,” Gallagher warned Dobson’s audience to get ready to live as pariahs in a society in which people of faith and marginalized and persecuted.

“Christianity in this country is going to enter a new phase where we are a hated minority group,” she declared, “and I think we had better be psychologically and spiritually prepared for that and be prepared to rebuild from the ruins of the collapse of civilization that we’re witnessing. At least one civilization is over with and what the next phase of American civilization will be is yet to be determined.”

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what will happen if gay people are allowed to get married? Virtually nothing. And in very short order, Gallagher and all the other professional hysterics will be viewed as a bunch of ridiculous Chicken Littles when they sky doesn’t fall.

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  • John Hinkle

    …and I think we had better be psychologically and spiritually prepared…

    How does one get spiritually prepared? Bust open the bourbon?

  • eric

    I think we had better be psychologically and spiritually prepared for that and be prepared to rebuild from the ruins of the collapse of civilization that we’re witnessing. At least one civilization is over with and what the next phase of American civilization will be is yet to be determined.”

    Why wait? You can go build your perfect society elsewhere, right now. Don’t let us stop you. Ooooh, that’s right, you want to use the prosperity and infrastructure of our “fallen” civilization to do it. Evidently, perfect theocratic societies are kinda like vultures: they are plumpest when they have a dead body to live off of.

    ***

    Off-topic, but Bobby Jindal wrote an Op-Ed in the NYT today, basically defending a right to discriminate. Hopefully Ed you’ll cover it. Link. This bit pegged my irony meter: “A pluralistic and diverse society like ours can exist only if we all tolerate people who disagree with us.” Um, yeah. That’s why you should serve gays instead of not-serving them.

  • John Pieret

    Christianity in this country is going to enter a new phase where we are a hated minority group

    Well, if your brand of Christianity would stop acting hatefully, maybe you wouldn’t be hated. And the fact that you think you’ll be a minority, in a country where 80%+ people describe themselves as Christians, just goes to show how narrow and bigoted your thinking is.

  • daved

    Same-sex marriage has been legal in Massachusetts for almost 11 years. Somehow, those who live here are not crawling through the ruins of a once-thriving civilization. Basically, it’s been a total non-event since May, 2004. Of course, you just try convincing the Maggie Gallaghers of this world of that.

  • slc1

    Gee, civilization didn’t collapse when ole Maggie had a child out of wedlock.

  • Glenn E Ross

    I miss the days when right wing extremists’ only means of communication were distributing mimeographed flyers to a small group of other paranoids, walking the street with “The End is Near” sandwich boards and broadcasting on obscure shortwave stations. Now they are given a national platform in the pursuit of ‘balance’. (Though the left wing crazies don’t seem to warrant the same exposure.)

  • Mr Ed

    prepared for that and be prepared to rebuild from the ruins of the collapse of civilization that we’re witnessing. At least one civilization is over with and what the next phase of American civilization will be is yet to be determined.

    General “Buck” Turgidson James Dobson: Doctor, you mentioned the ratio of ten women to each man. Now, wouldn’t that necessitate the abandonment of the so-called monogamous sexual relationship, I mean, as far as men were concerned?

    Dr. Strangelove Maggie Gallagher: Regrettably, yes. But it is, you know, a sacrifice required for the future of the human race. I hasten to add that since each man will be required to do prodigious… service along these lines, the women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics which will have to be of a highly stimulating nature.

    I still think this is an overly elaborate art piece.

  • moarscienceplz

    to get ready to live as pariahs in a society in which people of faith and marginalized and persecuted.

    I, for one, cannot wait ’til I and my fellow talking apes get to hop on horseback and chase naked Christians through field and forest, a la Charleton Heston.

  • Georgia Sam

    Now, wait just a damn minute! I thought that any day now, Jesus was going to come back, establish the perfect civilization, & reign for 1000 years. Will you people please get your story straight?

  • Alverant

    Of course if civilization is going to collapse, it will most likely be caused by christians and/or capitalist thinking.

  • Michael Heath

    Ed blog post title:

    Gallagher: Christians Will Need to Rebuild Collapsed Civilization

    Ed writes:

    You know what will happen if gay people are allowed to get married? Virtually nothing.

    Conservative Christians are now staging themselves for the long game; where climate change will happen. The harm reported in the future will not be blamed on human-caused greenhouse gas emissions and this generation’s refusal to significantly reduce emissions. Instead climate change will be caused by gays getting to marry [1]. That in turn will cause God to harden the hearts of humanity regarding the threat of climate change. That will in turn lead to increased greenhouse gas emissions, the climate to warm, and humans to suffer.

    Now whose hearts are hardened regarding the damage and pending threat of climate change? Future conservative Christians will avoid conceding that fact when telling the above narrative in the future.

    1] – Gays or whoever is they’re hating on then as long as they hate on them now, e.g., Muslims, liberals, moderates, sane conservatives (peace me unto the handful remaining), secularists, uppity women, uppity non-whites, and atheists.

  • theguy

    ““an attempt to impose a new morality on all of America,”

    Yes, but this time, a genuine morality instead of fundamentalist hypocrisy.

    “in a society in which people of faith and marginalized and persecuted”

    Translation: are sometimes criticized and can’t discriminate against gay people.

    “where we are a hated minority group”

    I think there was once a Christian leader who said “Do unto others as you would have done unto yourself.” Wonder who that could’ve been?

    “better be psychologically and spiritually prepared”

    Homophobia takes a lot of work!

    “collapse of civilization that we’re witnessing.”

    Da fuq? Crime rate’s down, teenage pregnancy’s down, economy’s growing (for some, just like the right-wing wants it). What do they consider collapse? We’re not bombing enough Muslims?

    “At least one civilization is over with”

    Good riddance.

    “and what the next phase of American civilization will be is yet to be determined.”

    It’s called equality. Stop spewing horseshit and read a dictionary.

  • Chiroptera

    “Christianity in this country is going to enter a new phase where we are a hated minority group,” she declared.

    Actually, the main group people who hate Christians are other Christians. If history is any guide, then after civilization collapses, there will be nothing to keep the Christians from killing each other.

    “and I think we had better be psychologically and spiritually prepared for that and be prepared to rebuild from the ruins of the collapse of civilization that we’re witnessing.”

    I guess civilization will need to rebuilt by the last Christian standing after they’ve killed each other off.

  • caseloweraz

    Gallagher: …I think we had better be psychologically and spiritually prepared for that and be prepared to rebuild from the ruins of the collapse of civilization that we’re witnessing.

    I wonder how she pictures that collapse in the privacy of her own thoughts. Could it be anything like what’s depicted in Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior?

  • wreck

    Looks like there’s a ton of money to be made in rebuilding civilization, if you play your cards right. I for one welcome our gay overlords.

  • John Pieret

    Not to be outdone Jim Garlow and Gallagher, also on Dobson’s radio program, “took solace in the idea that gay marriage will prove to be so utterly horrible for the country that eventually the American people will realize the error of their ways and do away with it, provided that the nation act

    ually survives long enough.

    “We, in this country, are learning to gear up for resistance and we are not giving up under any condition,” Garlow said. “The devastation from this could come so severely that, years from now, if the nation is not completely destroyed, that we could see a recycling and a re-visiting of God’s purpose for marriage.”

    Dobson was less enthusiastic, wondering just how much “damage will be done to how many people” in the interim.

    “Horrific,” Garlow said. “Horrific. But wars do that, unfortunately.”

    “Drama queens” doesn’t even begin to describe them.

    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/anti-gay-activists-reduced-hoping-future-generations-will-repeal-gay-marriage-if-america-sur

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Christianity in this country is going to enter a new phase where we are a hated minority group…

    To be fair, you’ve earned it, as decided in Reap v Sow.

  • dingojack

    And these fundies think this is the soundtrack of the future.

    @@

    Dingo

  • eric

    Same-sex marriage has been legal in Massachusetts for almost 11 years. Somehow, those who live here are not crawling through the ruins of a once-thriving civilization

    Weeeeeeellll….you had the Big Dig. That could fairly be called “crawling through the ruins of a once-thriving civilization.” But you got over it.

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    They did such a great job after the collapse of Imperial Rome.

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    Same-sex marriage has been legal in Massachusetts for almost 11 years. Somehow, those who live here are not crawling through the ruins of a once-thriving civilization

    Is Boston’s traffic god’s punishment for teh ghey? It could be!!! I was leaning toward the idea that it was Loki’s doing, but it’s not clever enough — Boston traffic is exactly the kind of ham-handed collective punishment Yahweh is capable of.

  • raven

    #20 already said it.

    Gallagher: Christians Will Need to Rebuild Collapsed Civilization

    Don’t wait up.

    The last time this happened was the fall of Rome. Xians couldn’t stop it. In fact, the Germanics who pushed it over were…xians.

    The result was the Dark Ages which were every bit as bad as the sound. It took 1,000 years for xians to get their brains into first gear and even start getting back to the level of the late Roman empire.

    The secret was: According to most scholars, the rediscovery and study of ancient…Pagan literature. The Pagans invented democracy, an alien system to xianity. They also invented proto-science, empiricism, and proto-industrialization.

    Xianity’s main accomplishment was not getting in the way. Which characteristically, they couldn’t even do that well. Ask Galileo, Bruno, Tynsdale, Copernicus, and Darwin how well that worked.

  • eric13

    “Christianity in this country is going to enter a new phase where we are a hated minority group…”

    As per usual, one of the greatest fears of bigots like Gallagher is that those they hate and persecute might one day return the favor.

  • raven

    As per usual, one of the greatest fears of bigots like Gallagher is that those they hate and persecute might one day return the favor.

    I’m not.

    It’s going to be a tremendous struggle though. It’s Nietzsche’s Rule. When you hunt monsters, try to make sure you don’t become one yourself.

  • sharonb

    And, I mean, it’s not like this crew of [false] prophets have ever been off on their predictions, right?

  • jonathangray
  • peggin

    Marcus Ranum @ 21

    Is Boston’s traffic god’s punishment for teh ghey? It could be!!!

    Traffic in Boston was always a nightmare, years and years before Massachusetts legalized marriage equality. Of course, this God Gallagher and Dobson believe in is supposedly omniscient, so I guess he could have punished the people of Boston for the “sin” of supporting marriage equality decades before the people there actually committed that “sin”. That makes as much sense as anything else those two nutjobs seem to believe in.

  • jonathangray

    raven:

    The result was the Dark Ages which were every bit as bad as the sound. It took 1,000 years for xians to get their brains into first gear and even start getting back to the level of the late Roman empire.

    At which university did you study medieval history?

  • peterh

    “Now, wait just a damn minute! I thought that any day now, Jesus was going to come back, establish the perfect civilization, & reign for 1000 years. Will you people please get your story straight?”

    That’s nearly 2,000 years overdue & even most fundgelicals know it. Much of the wrangling in the NT Paul attempted to soothe as well as his own changes in thinking and changing tone of the canonical gospels over time were brought about by the “in this generation” quite clearly not happening. Not happening then, not happening now.

  • Kermit Sansoo

    I guarantee that if gays are allowed to marry, then the ocean ecosystem will collapse, we will run out of potassium and phosphates, relentless droughts will be broken only by devastating floods, plagues will spread, and the oceans rise.

    .

    Of course, this will also happen if the gays aren’t allowed to marry.

  • scienceavenger

    And in very short order, Gallagher and all the other professional hysterics will be viewed as a bunch of ridiculous Chicken Littles when they sky doesn’t fall.

    I wouldn’t be so sure. They’ve been wrong about predicting the end of the entire world for centuries, and maintained their credibility with their flock. Why should a mistake on a mere single culture be any worse?

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    Jesus was going to come back, establish the perfect civilization, & reign for 1000 years

    Per Sam Kinison: “Sure, Jesus is saying… Sure, I’ll go back — just as soon as I can play the piano again

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    Sorry, I’m a little late to the conversation.

    Is this the Gallagher that makes me laugh or the one that smashes watermelons?

  • grumpyoldfart

    Christians have already had a shot at rebuilding society during 600 years of Inquisitions and they failed miserably.

  • felidae

    So, is Maggie cribbing a plot line from Ayn Rand or what?

  • http://onhandcomments.blogspot.com/ left0ver1under

    She told him that we’re witnessing the “collapse of civilization” and that christians will have to rebuild it.

    Their history is one of causing civilizations to collapse (i.e. Ottoman Empire, India, South America, Australia, etc.), not building. I don’t see how they’re qualified.

  • StevoR

    @ ^ left0ver1under : Not so sure that Christians were responsible for the Ottoman empire’s collapse. Actually Iin almost all cases religion was probably just one factor among quite a few responsible for civilisations falling.

    @11. Michael Heath :

    The harm reported in the future will not be blamed on human-caused greenhouse gas emissions and this generation’s refusal to significantly reduce emissions. Instead climate change will be caused by gays getting to marry [1]. That in turn will cause God to harden the hearts of humanity regarding the threat of climate change. That will in turn lead to increased greenhouse gas emissions, the climate to warm, and humans to suffer.

    That sounds depressingly likely and plausible.

  • dingojack

    left0ver1under – wait now. India, South America and Australia have collapsed? That seems to be news to everyone ouside your own skull…

    Dingo

  • dingojack

    poop! outside your own skull.

    (Yes, I can see what you meant despite the clumsy wording).

    😉 Dingo

  • jonathangray

    ““I believe that marriage is not just a bond but a sacred bond between a man and a woman. I have had occasion in my life to defend marriage, to stand up for marriage, to believe in the hard work and challenge of marriage. So I take umbrage at anyone who might suggest that those of us who worry about amending the Constitution are less committed to the sanctity of marriage, or to the fundamental bedrock principle that exists between a man and a woman, going back into the mists of history as one of the founding, foundational institutions of history and humanity and civilization, and that its primary, principal role during those millennia has been the raising and socializing of children for the society into which they are to become adults.” — Hillary Clinton, 2004

  • claytoncar

    She’s been watching The Walking Dead too much.

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  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    Instead climate change will be caused by gays getting to marry…

    So they don’t just steam up the windshield with their gayness, they steam up the whole atmosphere?! Wow, who knew?

    Yet another amazingly silly gay-porn movie plot from the anti-gay crowd. This, more than anything else, really does hint at gay-haters being secretly gay (or bi) themselves.

  • dingojack

    Jon-jon — yep, see how the population of Detroit Metro is accelerating away.

    @@ Dingo

  • colnago80

    Re Jonathan Gray @ #40

    Like the positions of President Obama and former Vice-President Cheney, it has evolved.

    Re StevoR @ #37

    I suspect that General Edmund Allenby had something to do with the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.

  • dingojack

    And that ‘last great cavalry change’ at Bersheeba!

    Wasn’t that when the Allies promised the Arabs that the land they helped capture would go to them? Guess that got ‘evolved’ too, eh? 😉

    Dingo

  • dingojack

    Although, to be fair, after the wars, it’s politics that is more of an issue. Deals forged in the ‘crucible of war’, rarely come out in the casting.

    Dingo

    ——–

    Locally it’s about 0030 25 April 2015, so the issue weighs on my mind at the moment…

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    Johnnygrayboy:

    Nice to see that some things remain the same. You’re still the same fucking scumsack that you’ve always been.

  • jonathangray

    The jig’s up, democommie. You know it, I know it. Europe’s about to go full Camp of the Saints and the US Army is making its recruits parade in drag. Maybe Russia will save us.