Same-Sex Marriage, the End Times, Noah’s Flood and the Antichrist

Right Wing Watch has a roundup of some of the more bizarre and extreme predictions from the Christian right about what calamities will befall us if the Supreme Court strikes down bans on same-sex marriage. The last two strike me as particularly amusing.

4) Flood!

Gay rights advocates are not only turning America into Sodom and Gomorrah (as Pat Robertson claims), but they are also risking the destruction of the planet, argue some far-right pundits who believe that Noah’s Flood was divine punishment for homosexuality. Scott Lively, the pastor best known for his work promoting anti-gay laws in countries like Russia and Uganda, claims that “the Great Flood of Noah in Genesis 6-9 was precipitated by homosexual sin.”

“We need to remember that in the time leading up to the Flood what the rabbis teach about the last straw for God before He brought the Flood was when they started writing wedding songs to homosexual marriage,” Lively said, “and Jesus said that you’ll know the End Times because it will be like the days of Noah. There’s never been a time in the history of the world since before the Flood when homosexual marriage has been open and celebrated, and that’s another sign that I believe that we’re close to the end…. I think this is the issue of the End Times: homosexuality.”

Another pastor claimed God “brought the flood” because he “knew that the people of the earth were going to destroy themselves through same-sex marriage.” Porter has similiarly called gay marriage “the final straw that led to the Flood.”

So we have one segment of the Christian right saying that no society has ever had same-sex marriage before, therefore we shouldn’t try it now, and another saying that it has been done before. There’s zero evidence of that, of course, even from the Bible, which nowhere mentions anything remotely like same-sex marriage. Nor was there ever a Noah or a flood, for that matter.

5) Antichrist!

The destruction of freedom and America at the hands of gay rights advocates, some Religious Right voices warn, will eventually lead to the coming of the Antichrist.

Jeffress said that the purported gay persecution of Christians “will pave the way for that future world dictator, the Antichrist, to persecute and martyr Christians without any repercussions whatsoever,” while Gordon Klingenschmitt, a televangelist and Colorado Republican state representative, called LGBT-inclusive non-discrimination laws a “sign that the End Times are really upon us. When the Antichrist rises up to persecute Christians and behead us and throw us in jail for our Christian faith, you don’t think it’s going to be over things like this?”

But as I keep asking, shouldn’t they think this is a good thing? Remember, their belief is that all of that is inevitable and is part of the great plan of God. Even if they’re right about this (and they’re not, obviously), gay rights advocates would merely be acting out the will of God. So why are they being demonized for that? Shouldn’t the wingnuts be thanking them for hastening the return of Christ?

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  • colnago80

    But as I keep asking, shouldn’t they think this is a good thing? Remember, their belief is that all of that is inevitable and is part of the great plan of God. Even if they’re right about this (and they’re not, obviously), gay rights advocates would merely be acting out the will of God. So why are they being demonized for that? Shouldn’t the wingnuts be thanking them for hastening the return of Christ?

    Silly Brayton demanding that the born agains be consistent and logical in their thinking.

  • Larry

    A flood? Really? We here in California could really use the water.

  • eric

    I like the antichrist one better than the flood one. Not only is it a classic, but there is a lot of amusement value to be had in seeing the same speakers point to different antichrists over time. It was Bill in the ’90s, Obama before this week, post-oral arguments its now some TBD person. If Hilary gets elected it’ll be her. If we could tax antichrist accusations, we’d be out of debt by the end of the quarter.

  • blf

    The FEMA camps will keep everyone safe.

  • eric

    Silly Brayton demanding that the born agains be consistent and logical in their thinking.

    Like claiming god will bring on another flood when the bible is pretty explicit about promising not to do it again?

  • anubisprime

    Just for those predictions alone…I would pray for the Supreme court to ratify the SSM ticket, but seeing as I don’t actually err’ be that deluded then it is going to have to be simply hoping fora modicum of rationality from the Judges…but with the likes of Scalia…it is a toss up to see if breath should be held.

    Any rational being would recognize that it is just the right thing to do, but dealing with years of ingrained pomposity and arrogance from several of the judges kinda leaves it till the fat lady howls, and if the right decision, then the howling will be taken up in chorus by the Xtian right wing…now that I would love to see!

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Gay marriage lead to The Flood?

    Isn’t that ironic, don’t you think? A little too ironic, yes, I really do think. It’s like rain on your gay wedding day.

  • tbp1

    But as I keep asking, shouldn’t they think this is a good thing? Remember, their belief is that all of that is inevitable and is part of the great plan of God.

    Yes, they believe that all of what is going to happen is known down to the last detail by God and indeed, planned by him. In other words, absolutely everything that is going to happen is predetermined, but we are supposed to…do what exactly? Not only can we not change anything, but everything we do that won’t change anything anyway is itself predetermined.

    I really wish people would think through the implications of that whole “omniscience” thing.

  • Chiroptera

    …what the rabbis teach….

    lol wut?

    I’ve seen this sort of argument before from fundamentalists, but I’ve always wonder why they think it’s a good idea to cite teachers who also teach that Jesus was not the Messiah</i.!

  • Randomfactor

    which nowhere mentions anything remotely like same-sex marriage

    David and Jonathan? Ruth and Naomi?

  • Richard Smith

    persecute Christians and behead us and throw us in jail for our Christian faith

    Somehow, I don’t think people are going to be too concerned about being thrown in jail, once they’ve been beheaded. Also, why throw headless bodies in jail?

  • theguy

    “Nor was there ever a Noah or a flood, for that matter.”

    Even if God really sent a worldwide flood to kill millions, what the fundamentalists don’t realize is this; it doesn’t make homosexuality evil, it makes God evil!

    Basically, the fundies hate what two consenting adults do in private, but they sure love them some mass murder.

  • eric

    why throw headless bodies in jail?

    You throw the headless bodies in the gaols and the heads you kick in the goals.

  • dingojack

    Richard Smith – as an aid to their faith?

    Remember:

    Persecuted and

    beheaded and

    thrown in jail

    for their Christian faith.

    So the first three must be some kind of Christian sacrament.

    😉 Dingo

  • dhall

    I dunno . . . Quite a few years ago, I watched that last Omen movie with the adult Damien poised to do whatever it was, and it was kind of disappointing, really. All that build up over the course of three movies for a pretty wussy antichrist in the end. He didn’t accomplish much of anything and he was pretty easy to defeat too. Nothing to worry about, actually, and definitely not worth all of this excitement.

  • rietpluim

    Fuck it! If I had to choose between social justice and a flood, and no social justice and no flood… Open up the hatches!

  • Quantum Mechanic

    theguy

    I can’t believe no one else beat me to this… Not only that; by their own admission, they’re saying their god is a liar. Their “inerrant” holy text proclaims in Genesis 9:11 that their their god made a holy covenant:

    “I establish My covenant with you; and all flesh shall never again be cut off by the water of the flood, neither shall there again be a flood to destroy the earth.”

    So their god promised not to drown everything again… and then does it anyway. I wonder what else it lied about?

  • peterh

    @ #17:

    You know full well that comes from the Eat Only What You Find Tasty Buffet of Selective Quotations and Special Pleading™.

  • Vicki, duly vaccinated tool of the feminist conspiracy

    Ruth and Naomi weren’t married to each other, though: the relationship is daughter-in-law and mother-in-law, and the linking marriage was mixed-gender.

  • http://ahcuah.wordpress.com/ ahcuah

    Oh, I get it. The disaster coming because of gay marriage is global warming!

    Ooh, but then that would require them to acknowledge global warming. Huh.

  • Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

    I can’t believe no one else beat me to this

    Me neither. Especially after reading comment #5.

  • John Pieret

    Well, to be fair to idiots, they don’t actually say that God will destroy the world with another flood. They just say that gays marrying was why their fickle and brutish God sent the flood and will no doubt now, as promised, destroy the world with fire. We should really keep the psychopathic responses of the fundie God straight.

  • whheydt

    If SSM causes floods, how may gay couples have to get married for California to get at least normal rainfall?

  • lofgren

    We know this is BS because if gay people could control the weather by getting married, the US military would have weaponized it in the ’70s.

  • Quantum Mechanic

    Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

    Me neither. Especially after reading comment #5.

    Ouch, that left a mark.

  • http://helives.blogspot.com heddle

    Quantum Mechanic ,

    So their god promised not to drown everything again… and then does it anyway. I wonder what else it lied about?

    It is all nauseating, but they are not claiming that God will again use a flood. They are saying that conditions are similar to just before the flood, and so we can expect, they tell us, similar dire consequences. But they don’t specify the method. I am pretty certain that these dudes are well aware of God’s rainbow (ironic?) covenant. You should probably read more carefully.

  • http://helives.blogspot.com heddle

    heddle@26,

    Pieret already said as much at @22. Do try to pay attention. Now go to work and grade that final.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    they are not claiming that God will again use a flood. They are saying that conditions are similar to just before the flood, and so we can expect, they tell us, similar dire consequences. But they don’t specify the method.

    So God is only violating the spirit of his promise, but not the letter. It’s good to know your god leaves such convenient loopholes in his promises…

  • eric

    @26 and others: its still interesting, though, about that passage and fundie claims that God sends regular hurricanes and floods. Consider the first part: “…all flesh shall never again be cut off by the water of the flood” (or NIV: “Never again will all life be destroyed by the waters of a flood”). Well, we know all flesh didn’t perish; just most of it. God saved some. So God must really be promising not to cut off some flesh in the future and the “all” is just a rhetorical flourish intended to convey ‘a lot.’ But of course fundies claim all sorts of hurricanes and floods are caused by God, and if you add up all the attrition, the collective human death toll from these disasters certainly counts as a lot. NOAA puts the total human population 10,000 years ago at five million. Yet these figures suggest that we have easily exceeded that number in flood deaths, just since the 1880s. Which means the fundies are – unintentionally – implying that God broke his promise. Just in a piecemeal fashion rather than breaking it in one fell swoop.

  • sigurd jorsalfar

    Another pastor claimed God “brought the flood” because he “knew that the people of the earth were going to destroy themselves through same-sex marriage.”

    Wait, what? God destroyed everyone because he knew that everyone was going to … do what God ended up doing to them, i.e. destroy everyone. That God, he’s not a deep thinker, is he?

  • thebookofdave

    @Chiroptera #9

    I’ve seen this sort of argument before from fundamentalists, but I’ve always wonder why they think it’s a good idea to cite teachers who also teach that Jesus was not the Messiah.!

    Not only that, but teachers who abandon plain text reading in context with preceding content, and cherry-pick the torah to support an ideological conclusion not mentioned in the chapter. I think that helps explain why Christian fundies are so eager to cite them as an authority.