Gohmert’s Incoherent Response to Hillary’s Incarceration Comments

Hillary Clinton recently said that the country needs to end the mass incarceration system that has developed since the 1970s, a rare stand for a politician from either party. Louis Gohmert, the dumbest man in Congress, gave a thoroughly incoherent response to those comments:

“If you look at [Bill Clinton’s] policies, tough on crime, he was absolutely for traditional biblical-type marriage,” Gohmert told Fox News guest host Ed Henry. “And so she supported those back then and she’s changed. One thing that is similar, after her husband would victimize women, she would victimize them. And here again now, she’s still victimizing victims of crime.”

When it came to non-violent drug offenders, Gohmert argued that it was a “real shame” that Democrats would not want them to be incarcerated.

“Because we go through these waves,” he explained. “As a former judge who’s tried every kind of felony there is, we see this. We see these waves. For a while we’re going to feel sorry for the criminals, and then crime increases and increases. And then we have a crackdown and we’re going to be tough on crime, and then crime goes down for a while. And we’re at that wave where crime has gone down.”

As a former judge, Gohmert is a moron. Crime has, in fact, been going down steadily for about 25 years now, yet the number of people in prison has gone up dramatically. The reason is obvious: The war on drugs, which needs to be ended completely. But Gohmert, true to form, has only platitudes and simpleminded policies to offer. “Lock them all up!” scream the authoritarian halfwits. The United States has 25% of all people imprisoned in the entire world, for crying out loud.

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  • StevoR

    ” ..after her husband would victimize women, she would victimize them. And here again now, she’s still victimizing victims of crime.” – Louis Gohmert.

    Um, how exactly? Clinton’s affairs far as I know and grok it were consensual and not the foggiest on how Hillary sticking by Bill is supposed to “victimise” anyone really. Ya wanna elucidate on that point some?

  • mithrandir

    “Victimizing victims of crime”, in this context, is a flat-out lie. As Ed notes, when we’re talking about the present mass incarceration epidemic, we’re talking about the war on drugs, where the only people being victimized here are the prisoners themselves.

  • StevoR

    When it comes to the war on drugs, ain’t it time we just surrendered? (But who do we surrender to though I wonder?)

  • John Pieret

    “If you look at [Bill Clinton’s] policies, tough on crime, he was absolutely for traditional biblical-type marriage,”

    The Bible talks about cigars?

  • StevoR

    @ ^ John Pieret : Or getting blow jobs in the White House? Or oral sex at all?

  • Donnie

    Who will be the first American to write the equivalent of the “Gulag Archipelago” of the American prison system. Though, because of Americas many tiered legal system, the book(s) would have to be retrospectives from many voices.

  • moarscienceplz

    I din’t know Louis Gormless was once a judge. How horrible! Every case he tried should be reviewed. I can’t even imagine what it must have been like to be a defendant facing this human shaped slime mold.

  • scienceavenger

    Gohmert was a JUDGE?! [shudder]

  • Pierce R. Butler

    Headline: Five Words Too Long

    moarscienceplz @ # 7 – Apologize to slime molds, immediately!

  • blf

    Yeah, Ed’s claim that Gohate was a judge surprised me as well, but Ye Pfffft! of All Knowledge agrees:

    Gohmert was elected as a state district judge for Texas’s 7th Judicial District […] from 1992 to 2002. […] In 2002, Gohmert was appointed by Texas Governor Rick Perry to fill a vacancy as Chief Justice on Texas’s 12th Court of Appeals, where he served a six-month term, which ended in 2003.

    Ah yes, Texas. Land of the elected judges.

  • eric

    …a rare stand for a politician from either party.

    Oh I think we’ll be hearing vague pronouncements about ‘justice reform’ or ‘prison reform’ from candidates on both sides. Its sufficiently meaningless and nice-sounding that anyone can use it as a sound byte.

    It will, however, be interesting to see if she goes beyond the sound byte stage on this issue. I’m also wondering if Bernie Sanders throwing his hat in the ring had something to do with it; she’s trying to steal a march on him, pull away some of the more liberal Dems before Sanders has a chance to really get his campaign going.

  • dingojack

    I believe that Bill was never adverse to ‘sharing a cigar with an intern he’d come across’!

    Dingo

  • Danonymous

    Drug crimes are actually a fairly small part of the current prison problem, about 17%. Which is sad because it makes it much harder problem to solve. Basically we need prosecutors to send a smaller percent of the people who commit crimes to jail, or prevent crime from occurring. New Theory on Mass Incarceration

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    The United States has 25% of all people imprisoned in the entire world, for crying out loud.

    That’s it? Can we really risk handing off our #1 status to our enemy and trade partner, Communist China? Mr. President, we must not allow an incarceration gap!

  • colnago80

    As former Michigan Supreme Court justice and former prosecutor on the Upper Peninsula, the honorable John Voelker once wrote, the concept of crime fighting in the US is the mad dog theory, “lock ’em up like a mad dog and keep ’em locked up”.

  • colnago80

    Re Danonymous @ #13

    Attached link says 50% of federal prisoners are serving time for drug crimes. I can’t find any information as the the percentage in state and local slammers.

    https://goo.gl/ka9hia

  • colnago80

    Re #16

    Of course, the link in 16 is to a libertarian site so Raging Bee will claim it is not credible.

  • Danonymous

    Interesting, I did wonder about the Federal rate since my source only addressed state prisons, but it justified that with the statistic that 90% of the prison population are in state prisons. (This might have been easier to find if I hadn’t accidently linked to the second page.) Not that reducing the population by a fifth would inconsequential, but it wouldn’t have the dramatic effect a lot of people claim. To really reduce the incarceration rate, we need to change the way we address real criminals, not just the political prisoners of the drug war.

  • DaveL

    “If you look at [Bill Clinton’s] policies, tough on crime, he was absolutely for traditional biblical-type marriage,”

    So is Hillary the prettier sister and 2nd wife, or is she the one who he was tricked into marrying when he was drunk? Or maybe she’s the sex slave good ol’ Bill won when he sacked a city full of unbelievers. Or maybe he raped her, and her father forced her to marry him in exchange for 50 shekels. And would a White House intern qualify as a handmaiden?

    Biblical marriage can be so confusing.

  • EnlightenmentLiberal

    Not that reducing the population by a fifth would inconsequential, but it wouldn’t have the dramatic effect a lot of people claim. To really reduce the incarceration rate, we need to change the way we address real criminals, not just the political prisoners of the drug war.

    What? 20% would be a great start. That’s not inconsequential.

  • anat

    StevoR, #5: I’m pretty sure the Song of Solomon praises oral sex.

  • Crip Dyke, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden

    @colnago80:

    As I understand it, both statistics are correct: many people are serving concurrent sentences. The lower number is for people serving time ONLY for drugs, with no associated violent acts, money laundering, etc.

    Of course, with no illegal drug trade, there would be no money to launder, no wars waged to violently defend “turf”, etc.

    Some people trot out the lower number to argue that eliminating the drug war wouldn’t make that much of a difference. And while it’s true that ***amnesty or commutation of come kind involving only drug possession/distribution*** would release far fewer than 50% of prisoners (because many drug prisoners would still have their concurrent sentences to run), ***moving forward from here*** it might reduce future prisoner volume something on the order of 50%.

    That’s my understanding from reading critiques of the arguments. I’m no expert in this area so I don’t have original sources to cite.

  • kenn

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw

    Betty Bowers, America’s Best Christian, explains traditional marriage to everyone else.

  • matty1

    As a former judge who’s tried every kind of felony there is

    Bit of an admission there, which one did you enjoy committing the most?

  • yoav

    I’m sure Louie’s position had nothing to do with campaign contributions from the prison profiteering industry or with the way the war on drugs predominantly disenfranchise them “urbans”.

  • caseloweraz

    Matty1: Bit of an admission there, which one did you enjoy committing the most?

    Heh. Reminds me of an old Man from U.N.C.L.E. episode called “The Alexander the Greater Affair” — a season-spanner, IIRC. This Alexander was dedicated to breaking each commandment of the Decalogue, and he would leave a plaque with the Roman number of the Commandment at the scene.

    Of course, the show didn’t try to portray violations of all ten. (godammit. #III )

  • colnago80

    Re DaveL @ #19

    When ole Bill took Hillary home to meet his mother, she later remarked to him as to what he saw in her. At the time she was something of a mousey looking hippie type. His reply was that he needed someone he could talk to.