The American College of Pediatricians Objects to Researching AIDS Vaccine

The American College of Pediatricians is the right-wing alternative to the American Academy of Pediatricians. They split off because the AAC was insufficiently bigoted for them. The president of the ACP, Dean Trumbull, went on a Christian radio show last week and actually objected to working to find a vaccine for HIV.

A caller who identified herself as a nurse asked Trumbull to comment on the high incidence of HIV among gay men, which she said revealed that “exposure is there in the lifestyle.”

“It’s that population in which AIDS is unfortunately and sadly thriving,” Trumbull responded. “And yet the push is more to find a vaccine, to use condoms, to — but I truly believe that when we are practicing a sexual act that goes against our natural design, it’s going to be very harmful to us emotionally, physically and, in the situation with AIDS, even infectious consequences will occur.”

Yeah, what are we thinking, trying to find a vaccine that would prevent a disease that is still incredibly deadly in much of the world? And in Africa, where it rages the worst, it’s spread almost entirely by heterosexuals. But since this involves people having sex in a manner that Trumbull’s god allegedly disapproves of, he thinks it should be treated totally differently from other diseases and that the proper treatment is to tell people not to be gay, not to prevent and treat the medical condition he associates with it.

“We have been accused of being homophobic or insensitive to those with same-sex tendencies,” he said, “and we do not want to be perceived as that, because what we want is what’s best for children, that’s our motto. So what about the homosexual teen or the same-sex attracted teen or whatnot? We would encourage them to not be involved in the homosexual sexual lifestyle, because that lifestyle is without a doubt medically, emotionally, physically harmful.”

“And what about clubs within high schools or junior highs that seek to validate these mixed emotions that a teenager may naturally flow through?” he added. “Shouldn’t any child, any middle-school child who has some feelings, ‘maybe I do have some attraction to the same sex,’ should they be validated, brought into an LGBT club, and that label will be placed upon them? Well, no, because the lifestyle that they thereafter will enter is a very unhealthy and harmful lifestyle.”

Gee, why didn’t I think about that? “Hey, you shouldn’t be gay.” That oughta do it. HIV is sure to disappear now, along with The Gay.

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  • kantalope

    if you don’t want to be perceived as being homophobic don’t act homophobic. It’s all in the actions you see.

  • John Pieret

    ***SPIT***

    And they have the nerve to call themselves “doctors”?!?!?

    What part of “First, do no harm” don’t they understand?

  • cptdoom

    I truly believe that when we are practicing a sexual act that goes against our natural design, it’s going to be very harmful to us emotionally, physically and, in the situation with AIDS, even infectious consequences will occur.

    1) There is no sexual act practiced by a same-sex couple that is not also practiced by opposite sex couples.

    2) Sex is a perfect medium for transmitting diseases; see chlamydia, gonorrhea, syphilis and cervical cancer.

    3) Worldwide, less than 5% of HIV/AIDS cases are in MSM. The rest are due to heterosexual transmission, maternal/child transmission and the use of unclean medical equipment.

  • donkensler

    As always (and as with abortion restrictions), it’s all about controlling peoples’ sexuality. Damned sluts deserve to have kids (and anyway children are god’s blessing). Damned fags deserve to get sick and die hottibly. And god forbid gay teens should be allowed to feel good about themselves.

  • raven

    This is just pure evil. Xianity proves itself every day that it isn’t a source of morality.

    The vast majority of HIV+ in the world are heterosexuals. Over half are women and children.

    These statistics are well known and available to anyone in a few seconds with Google. Dr. Dean Trumbull doesn’t even want to know. Or possibly he is too dumb to even know what Google is.

    PS I wouldn’t let Dean Trumbull or anyone from the American College of Pediatricians near my kids. It is nice of them though to advertise the fact that they are at best cuckoo flaming bigots.

  • Synfandel

    …it’s going to be very harmful to us emotionally, physically…

    …that lifestyle is without a doubt medically, emotionally, physically harmful.

    …the lifestyle that they thereafter will enter is a very unhealthy and harmful lifestyle.

    Evidence? Anyone? No?

    To bigots, tautology passes for logical consistency. Dr. Trumbull’s algorithm appears to be:

    10: Condoms and vaccines are not the right solution for AIDS, because homosexuality is inherently harmful.

    20: Homosexuality (at least male homosexuality, which is the kind that makes us go “Ick!”) is inherently harmful, because it transmits HIV.

    30: We could stop HIV transmission with condoms and/or a vaccine.

    40: Go to 10.

  • Larry

    Just goes to show that higher education does not provide protection against being a total dick.

  • Rick Pikul

    @cptdoom #3

    1) There is no sexual act practiced by a same-sex couple that is not also practiced by opposite sex couples.

    Counterexample: Frotting requires two penises.

  • raven

    It’s Hitchen’s Rule Religion Poisons Everything!!!

    Indiana HIV outbreak, hepatitis C epidemic sparks CDC alert

    www. chicagotribune. com/…/chi-indiana-hiv-outbreak-cdc-alert-201504…

    Apr 24, 2015 – An Indiana county is experiencing nearly daily increases in new HIV … their hepatitis C and HIV rates to identify potential clusters of disease. … positive HIV tests has jumped to 142 in 2015 in Scott County, about 30 miles north of Louisville, Kentucky. … Pence extends needle-exchange program to curb HIV.

    1. Indiana is seeing once again a large cluster of HIV+. They aren’t gay, they are IV drug users.

    2. Indiana prohibits needle exchange programs. These have been proven over and over to work, reducing the levels of HIV+ IV drug users. They are common, usually very quietly so as not to upset the…xians, who hate the thought of helping other people remain healthy.

    3. There is no reason whatsoever for a ban on needle exchanges. It’s just fundie xians proving their power by enhancing the spread of an incurable disease, that is a death sentence without treatment. It’s just more fundie xian evil.

    4. And oh yeah, it costs the state lots of money to take care of HIV+’s. These days those evil scientists have got the treatments working so HIV+’s will live probably a normal lifespan. This cluster alone will cost many millions of USD.

    5. Which is why Indiana all of the sudden has…a needle exchange program.

    “Pence extends needle-exchange program to curb HIV”.

  • John Pieret

    Rick Pikul:

    Counterexample: Frotting requires two penises.

    Point of order: According to the Urban Dictionary “frotting”only requires, at a minimum, one crotch of indeterminate gender and an inanimate object.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=frotting

    I think two vaginas and any combination of crotches would qualify.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Rick Pikul “Counterexample: Frotting requires two penises.”

    I fail to see what the guy who took the ring to Mount Doom has to do with this.

  • garnetstar

    Because there’s nothing that pediatricians want to experience more of in their practices than caring for children who are HIV+ or have AIDS?

    Some might beg to differ.

  • Larry

    #9 Raven

    5. Which is why Indiana all of the sudden has…a needle exchange program.

    “Pence extends needle-exchange program to curb HIV”.

    Once again, that nasty real world smashing through RWNJ Cone-of-Our-Own-Reality.

  • scienceavenger

    I truly believe that when we are practicing a sexual act that goes against our natural design, it’s going to be very harmful to us emotionally, [and] physically…

    I’m sure that was the first thing out of his mouth the last time a woman tried to put his penis in hers.

  • raven

    The ACP is an obscure group. For good reason. It’s just another fundie xian hate group and a small one at that.

    Wikipedia:

    as a protest against the AAP’s support for adoption by gay couples.[1][2] The group’s membership has been estimated at between 60 and 200 members.[1][3] (In contrast, the AAP has more than 60,000 members.[4]

    and

    The Southern Poverty Law Center describes the ACP as an active anti-LGBT hate group according to the “Hate Map” (Florida) on their website.

    I definitely wouldn’t let children anywhere near this group. Their main reason for existing is as a hate group against gays. If you want to hate gays, you don’t need a warped pediatrician to do so.

    Wikipedia: Support for abstinence only sex education rather than comprehensive sex education Abstinence only sex ed. doesn’t work.

  • scienceavenger

    “…we do not want to be perceived as [homophobic], because what we want is what’s best for children…”

    Yeah, and I’m against the electoral college system, the designated hitter rule, and all guys named “Byron”, because I want what’s best for children too!

  • eric

    I truly believe that when we are practicing a sexual act that goes against our natural design, it’s going to be very harmful to us emotionally, physically and, in the situation with AIDS, even infectious consequences will occur.

    And that is relevant to vaccination…how? Because they are practicing unhealthy (in your mind) behavior you’re not going to help them? Do you also withhold cancer treatment from smokers and type-2 diabetes treatment from overweight people? Maybe I shouldn’t ask that, their answer might actually be “yes.”

  • DaveL

    The ACP has position statements on:

    Abortion

    Euthanasia

    HPV Vaccination

    Birth Control

    Marijuana Use

    Abstinence Education

    Cohabitation of non-married couples

    Same-sex marriage

    Corporal Punishment

    Divorce

    The American Academy of Pediatrics has positions on:

    Duration of hospital stay for newborn infants, point-of-care ultrasonography by emergency pediatric physicians, adolescent drug testing policies in schools, preferred dosing of oral liquid medications, the impact of marijuana policies on youth, sugary snacks and sweetened beverages, complete immunization schedules, oral health in young children, evidence-based management of sickle-cell disease, birth control for adolescents, transthoracic echocardiography for pediatric cardiac patients, prevention and control of influenza, immunization for streptococcus pneumoniae in high-risk patients, preparing pediatric patients for anesthesia, school start time for adolescents, literacy promotion, equipment for ground ambulances, safety in school athletics, circumcision, bicycle safety, infant sleeping arrangements, iodine deficiency, off-label use of drugs in children, respiratory support of pre-term infants, detecting child abuse in a clinical setting, planned home birth, the ethics of organ donation, school discipline, clostridium difficile infections in children, pesticide exposure in children, health care for youth aging out of foster care, firearms in the home, pool safety, dietary guidelines for calcium and vitamin D, breastfeeding…

    ..And that’s a small sampling. Basically the ACP has nothing to say to married opposite-sex parents of infants aside from “don’t get divorced”, and even less advice applicable to physicians. As they get older, they add little else except to start spanking them, limit TV, as eat dinner together as a family. Until they hit puberty, of course, when suddenly they have a whole lot to say.

  • http://twitter.com/#!/TabbyLavalamp Tabby Lavalamp

    And once again a homophobe accidentally makes a disease-based argument in favour of lesbianism.

  • Hoosier X

    On any given day, the best reason for shunning christianity originates from the words of a committed christian.

    (I started to write “serious” instead of “committed,” but I thought “serious christian” looked weird.)

  • http://www.pandasthumb.org Area Man

    …because that lifestyle is without a doubt medically, emotionally, physically harmful.”

    And you’re here to make sure it stays that way.

  • raven

    ACP bigot:

    Well, no, because the lifestyle that they thereafter will enter is a very unhealthy and harmful lifestyle.”

    If you want an unhealthy and harmful lifestyle become a fundie xian.

    1. The areas of the USA with lots of fundies, are always the leaders in any social problem you care to name, divorce, drug use, poor health, teenage pregnancy etc..

    2. In many areas of the USA, average lifespans have fallen sharply. The hardest hit demographic is white women in rural areas of the south and west. This is mostly a fundie xian demographic.

    3. Fundies score low in IQ, education levels, and socioeconomic status. That is what hatred of education and science gets you.

  • theguy

    The ACP’s core “argument” is to claim that the “homosexual lifestyle” is inherently harmful.

    First, there really is no “homosexual lifestyle.” The phrase is supposed to conjure up images of drag queens, or the idea that gay people can’t be monogamous. Two gay people who only have sex with each other (for their entire lives, to be safe) wouldn’t be at risk of STD’s. (somebody correct me if I’m mistaken here, but I know monogamy at least reduces the risk).

    Second, the only emotional harm, (which they mention but don’t mention the real cause) comes from homophobia. Listening to lots of fundie hypocrites condemn you for who you love would take a toll on anyone.

  • spamamander, internet amphibian

    @20 More of them should be committed, if you ask me.