Titus: Gay Marriage Leads to Christian Slavery

Herb Titus, the former dean of the law school at Regent University, went on Rick Wiles’ TruNews radio show and delivered some rather hysterically overblown predictions of what would happen if the Supreme Court rules in favor of marriage equality:

According to Titus, quite a bit, as he predicted that marriage equality will lead to the enslavement of Christians and even their deaths. Titus warned that soon enough, gay rights advocates will ban opponents of same-sex marriage from taking jobs as lawyers and doctors by denying them government licenses. Future lawyers and doctors, Titus and Wiles predicted, will soon have to renounce their faith just to receive their credentials.

“Christians would eventually be reduced to the social status of gypsies,” Wiles said, to which Titus replied: “We’ll become slaves.”

Titus added that the remaining Christians in the U.S. will be forced to pay a form of the Jizya, a tax relegating non-Muslims to second-class citizenship. “Very much in the Islamic tradition, you basically are fined or you’re taxed if you’re going to live, but you better keep your mouth shut because if you don’t we’ll kill you,” Titus said…

“You see an infiltration at the highest levels of people who are either involved in the same-sex lifestyle or who are very sympathetic to it and supportive of it,” Titus said. “Plus the fact that what you see is that these people are vicious, they don’t hold back, they threaten not just with lawsuits but also with threats of force. They are very much like the Muslim juggernaut we are seeing around the world. We should not be surprised if they will lose legal force along with illegal force to get there way.”

I have some mutual friends with Titus, who put me in touch with him many years ago to discuss whether he is a Christian Reconstructionist or not (he’s not, but only due to some theological technicalities). We spoke on the phone and he sent me some things he’s written. Seemed like a nice guy. But this kind of rhetoric is just plain stupid and bizarre.

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  • D. C. Sessions

    But this kind of rhetoric is just plain stupid and bizarre.

    So you say he’s mainstream?

  • frankgturner

    @DC

    And / Or that he has an overactive imagination and a likely persecution complex.

  • kantalope

    Our neighbors aren’t same sex but they are married and suddenly I’m growing cotton in the backyard and flagellating myself in the garage. And you say marriage only effects those involved. If only.

  • Chiroptera

    A baker baking a gay wedding cake once in a while and getting paid for it while she continues to bake non-gay wedding cakes for everyone else in her day-to-day business; this isn’t slavery, IT’S A HOLOCAUST!

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    …the law school at Regent University…

    Something’s wrong with my copy of Firefox. It’s stripped out some of the formatting. Anybody know how to re-enable irony quotes?

  • John Pieret

    kantalope @ 3:

    For some reason I originally read that as you were “fellatioing myself in the garage” and wondered what you were complaining about.

  • kantalope

    If I could do that I wouldn’t complain, in fact I wouldn’t do much of anything else.

  • garnetstar

    No, no, no. Christians, by which these two mean anti-gay bigots, aren’t going to be enslaved or made to pay a tax or persecuted. They’re going to be criticized and laughed at, that’s all.

    And that seems to be a fate worse than death to them. All these people proclaiming that they’re willing to die to stand up for bigotry, but criticism? Mockery? That’s more than Jesus ever meant they should have to put up with.

  • frankgturner

    @ garnetstar #8

    Which only goes to demonstrate a point that I have made on other boards here. I have proposed that religion (xtianity in particular but it works for others) seems much like a projection of a primate based vestigial need for an alpha being (most often male) to protect one’s tribe. If the alpha fails to protect your tribe it goes extinct. So yes having your alpha being mocked and it not defending you is a date worse than death. (Of course they really won’t go extinct in the biological sense so much as their ideas die and they suffer from the common delusion that they are their ideas).

  • moarscienceplz

    This is great news!

    I can’t wait to get me some Christians to fan me and carry around in a sedan chair. Whoo hoo!

  • cptdoom

    Titus warned that soon enough, gay rights advocates will ban opponents of same-sex marriage from taking jobs as lawyers and doctors by denying them government licenses.

    Which is exactly what states used to do to people who were gay – even a business license to open a hair salon, for instance, was impossible in some states if you had been arrested in a bar raid, or for a public dalliance. Projection much?

    I presume he is referring to cases like the counseling program that wouldn’t graduate a student because she refused to follow guidelines that being gay or lesbian was not a mental illness and don’t need to be “cured.” The situation for lawyers and medical doctors is a bit different, but they will, of course, be “forced” to recognize the legal status of married same-sex couples, just like any other married couple. A clear example of Christian persecution.

  • garnetstar

    frankgturner@9, interesting thought. It would explain what I’ve always noticed, that the religious seem very thin-skinned. People who are secure in their beliefs, and there are such religious people, just smile or shrug, mockery and criticism goes right by them. Your theory gives a reason for the lack of that among theists who are wedded to the more primitive social structures, finding security in them.

    Another reason for religion, another way it “comforts” and “helps” and forms “communities”. Communities bound by primate dominance dynamics, perfectly suited for the 21st century!

  • frankgturner

    @garnestar #12

    For starters, I would not graduate it to a “theory” in the scientific sense yet. The way you used the word theory, it is actually “hypothesis.” If we want others to use the word “theory” correctly, we need to as well.

    .

    Also, I grew up with plenty of family who were so insecure in their beliefs that their drive to get you to think and act a certain way to make them feel more secure was obvious. They projected so much you would have thought they invented warp drive.

  • dingojack

    frankgturner (#9) – ah the ol’ ‘date worse than death’, who hasn’t had a few of those?

    😉 Dingo

  • frankgturner

    @ dingo

    I meant “fate.” the ‘f’ is right next to ‘d’ and I missed it. You understood though so, well feces occurs.

  • Daniel Schealler
    Titus warned that soon enough, gay rights advocates will ban opponents of same-sex marriage from taking jobs as lawyers and doctors by denying them government licenses.

    Which is exactly what states used to do to people who were gay – even a business license to open a hair salon, for instance, was impossible in some states if you had been arrested in a bar raid, or for a public dalliance. Projection much?

    My gut instinct would be to point to how human brains are wired such that we have an egocentric bias when estimating the likely course of action of others.

    My guess is that Titus thinks that gay people should be rounded up and made into second class citizens. It would therefore be natural for him to infer that gay people would want to do the same thing to him.

    However, Ed assures us that Titus is a good guy. So it’s worth pointing out that my armchair psychoanalyzing probably isn’t worth very much. Especially given that I don’t know the first damn thing about Titus outside of this reading. :)

  • dingojack

    frankgturner – oh don’t get me started on those damned* ‘fêtes worse than death’!

    😀 Dingo

    ————-

    * yes, in multiple senses

  • Die Anyway

    For once a religio-con prediction that I hope comes true.

    Ahh the schadenfreude, it makes me smile.

  • anubisprime

    Whether a nice guy or not…dude is a fruit loop!

    That nonsense comes across as a guilt trip cowering under fear and hysteria that what he and his ilk have foisted on the LGBT community over the years will now be foisted on him and his cronies…

    Sorry Ed…he is your huckleberry old chap…not much use to anyone else by the cut of his idiocy.

  • DLC

    Amusing, because RW Christians manage to put themselves above everyone else and yet still manage to have a deeply seated persecution complex. They love being persecuted because it makes them feel important and closer to the ancient Christians, who were in fact persecuted by the ancient Romans and others. Or at least so says their propaganda.

  • StevoR

    @ ^ DLC : I think history is pretty clear that the earliest Christians were persecuted for real – the modern ones not so much.

  • frankgturner

    @ Pretty much everyone

    I don’t think it is just projection, I.e.: as bigoted Xtians they want homosexuals rounded up so they assume the same of them, but I don’t doubt that this is aninfluemcing factor. I think one of the major influences is the realization that being a persecuted group solicits sympathy from others and to some degree on self. Basically it is a “poor persecuted me” complex. The difficulty is the desire for power which comes from being in a majority. The difficulty is that majorities are normally the ones doing the persecuting (which evangelists certainly do).

    .

    So it is basically a having your cake and eating it too situation. On “The Thinking Atheist” message board we were talking with a Xtian who was trying to set up a “proof” of God situation that basically ran into the same contradictory problem situation. He had realized the power of measurable, testable claims and the kind of proof that they provide but at the same time wanted a kind of supernatural absolute certainty that was unfalsifiable and so had no potential to be debunked. It doesn’t work logically, you can’t have all of the benefits and none of the drawbacks. You CAN delude yourself into it though, that you are a persecuted minority who deserves sympathy from the masses and yet somehow in line with a mainstream majority whose views are in line with the same majority of the masses.

    .

    I think it comes from the mistaken belief that we are our ideas.

  • dingojack

    “So it is basically a having your cake and eating it too situation.”

    Not of the GAY WEDDING kind I hope! [practices clutching pearls in preparation].

    😉 Dingo

  • dingojack

    frankgturner — And that ‘our ideas are not of our construction’*, as well I suspect.

    Dingo

    ———

    * ie ‘with our thoughts we make the world’. We have ideas about our perception of reality**, then mistake them for concrete realities that are external to ourselves…

    ** without testing them against data from the real world