Another Dumb Atheist Meme

For the fourth entry in my series on stupid atheist memes, I present:

atheistmeme4

Ugh. So much wrong with this. There are two possible ways to take this:

1. I’m too smart to be religious.

2. Not being religious makes me smarter than those who are religious.

Both are bullshit. Some of the dumbest people I know are atheists. Some of the smartest people I know are religious. And vice versa, of course. Some of the smartest people I know are atheists and some of the dumbest people I know are religious. Millions of people were once religious but are now atheists. Did they suddenly become smarter when they left religion for atheism? Lots of people were once atheists and are now religious. Did they suddenly become dumber when they became religious? Of course not.

This is just ego-stroking, simpleminded bullshit. And if you find it insulting for someone to say that, that’s just too fucking bad.

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  • laurentweppe

    Both are bullshit.

    Yes, but the summarize very well the appeal of the most tribalistic wing of atheism, where it’s not much about whether God(s) exist or not, but about the pleasurable feeling of perceiving oneself as a member of an intellectual übermenschkeit entitled to express contempt (and more often than not: authoritarian fantasies) toward the religious crowds.

  • doublereed

    The part I don’t understand is what question it is responding to.

  • theDukedog7 .

    Good point, Ed. I do hope that atheists keep up the “we’re smarter than you are” bit. It makes them even more repulsive.

    By the way, in the brief time I’ve been following your blog, I’ve yet to come across any posts lamenting or even mentioning the current genocide against Christians, especially in the Middle East and Africa. Estimates are up to 100,000 Christians each year are killed because of their beliefs, mostly by atheists and Muslims. There are many massacres in which Christians are meticulously targeted–it is a common tactic of Muslims in Africa and the Middle East to ask hostages questions about the Koran– if the can’t answer they assume they are Christians and they kill them.

    Why your silence on this Christian genocide? You rightly decry killing of gays (rare) and atheists (rare), but it’s birds tweeting on the murder of Christians, who are killed for their beliefs in numbers orders of magnitudes higher.

    If I didn’t know better, I’d conclude that you don’t give a sh*t when Christians are slaughtered.

  • Alverant

    theDukedog7, please give evidence that Atheists are killing christians. Then give evidence that it’s rare for gays and atheists to be killed.

  • colnago80

    Actually, there is some evidence that the non-religious are, on average smarter or at least more creative, then the religious. The National Academy of Sciences, to which the cream of American scientists belong has some 92% of its membership consisting of non-believers.

    At least in the Middle East, the number of Muslims killed by other Muslims for belonging to the wrong brand of Islam, greatly exceeds the number of Christians killed by Muslims. Shiites and Sunnis consider each other to be blasphemers, corrupters, infidels, and blood suckers.

  • colnago80

    Re Alverant @ #4

    Egnorance, who rejects climate change and evolution, doesn’t need no stinken evidence.

  • Artor

    I don’t claim to be smarter than anyone who believes in a supernatural sky-daddy, but I’m certainly smarter than DukeDog7. But that’s not a high bar to clear. I think the stinky goo between my toes is smarter than DukeDog7.

  • theDukedog7 .

    My point about the disinterest among atheists about the ongoing Christian genocide is nicely illustrated by these commenters.

  • John Pieret

    I’ve yet to come across any posts lamenting or even mentioning the current genocide against Christians, especially in the Middle East

    Then you would be, as usual, wrong:

    [W]hy such a focus on the fact that the victims were Christian? Would it be any less tragic if they’d been atheists? Or other Muslims, as most of the victims of ISIS have been? These murders are horrifying not because the victims are Christians but because they are human beings …

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/2015/02/18/christians-dont-matter-more-than-others/

    And Ed, of course, is right. It doesn’t matter what irrational reason people are murdered, it is a tragedy in all cases.

  • Tony! The Queer Shoop

    theDukedog7 @8:

    You have not even demonstrated that your claims are true. Around here no one is going to believe your BS without evidence.

  • https://www.facebook.com/kcobb47 Ken

    Is there some kind of fallacy related to when people criticize others for not talking about this or that, and then think they can draw some far off conclusions about it? Does every person have to speak on everything that is important to every single person?

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    I don’t need to religious or Athiest to know I’m smarter than you. That’s just a fact. My smartness, I mean. Other smart people joing Mensa; I’m so smart Mensa joins me. And sometimes I fall down.

     

    theDukedog7 “{words}”

    theDukedog7 is a Poe. He doesn’t even spell Athiest rightly.

     

    John Pieret “http://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/2015/02/18/christians-dont-matter-more-than-others/”

    Well, sure. Ed mentioned Christians. But does he focus exclusively on their oppression, while ignoring completely other Christians’ excesses (alternately, ignoring them as “not True Christians)? Does he combine that with bad faith arguments, Gish Gallops, well-poisoning, faulty statistics and the like, while ignoring rebuttals?

  • dingojack

    I notice that Dog fails to mention any of those people who are killed each day in incidences of ‘domestic violence’ worldwide. Why the silence I wonder? Nothing but crickets. Dog, you got something to like to confess?

    @@

    Dingo

    ———

    PS: Where’s that list of poor ‘persecuted’ Christians killed in America for being who they are? (as opposed to the 30 or so listed LGBTQ murder victims I provided to you in rebuttal of your contention than Christian were ‘more persecuted than Gays’).

    I notice you’ve absolutely zero concern for their deaths.

    Motes in someone else’s eye as opposed to logs in your own.

  • Georgia Sam

    Also, that should be “as smart as I.”

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    dingojack “PS: Where’s that list of poor ‘persecuted’ Christians killed in America for being who they are? (as opposed to the 30 or so listed LGBTQ murder victims I provided to you in rebuttal of your contention than Christian were ‘more persecuted than Gays’).”

    Christians are more persecuted than The Gays. A few homos get so-called “beaten up” or so-called “murdered”, but every Christian has to bake cakes for so-called “Gay” so-called “Weddings”.

  • Matzo Ball Soup

    No, it shouldn’t be “as smart as I”. That idea is part of the same “make English look like Latin” bullshit that’s behind the fake grammar “rules” against splitting infinitives and stranding prepositions.

  • dingojack

    Georgia Sam – break it into a simpler sentences:

    ‘No-one is as smart as I’ or ‘No-one is as smart as me’*. Which sounds ‘better’ to you?

    Dingo

    ——–

    * Rather than the former, try: ‘No-one is as smart as I am’. Does that sound ‘more correct’ to you?

  • Alverant

    Duke’s lack of interest in gays, Atheists, muslims, etc being killed has also been noted. I guess he only cares about his fellow heterosexual christians.

  • Chiroptera

    theDukeDog7, #8: …the ongoing Christian genocide….

    Christian is a race?

  • dingojack

    A genocide doesn’t have to involve a race.

    Gens can be translated as ‘class’, ‘type’, ‘sex’, ‘race’, ‘family’, ‘tribe’, ‘nation’, ‘people’, ‘religious tradition’ & etc. And it doesn’t require them to be murdered. Merely preventing them from exercising their religion, language, customs, beliefs (not necessarily religious ones) and even dress style could be considered to be under the legal rubric of ‘genocide’ (AIUI).

    Dingo

  • Trebuchet

    I finally got around to looking up Michael Egnor. Another frickin’ doctor. A neursurgeon. Move over Ben Carson, you’ve got company.

  • John Pieret

    Trebuchet:

    Yeah, he’s a (retired, I believe) pediatric neurosurgeon. It just goes to show (along with Carson) that you don’t have to be very smart to become a highly skilled meatcutter.

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    My point about the disinterest among atheists about the ongoing Christian genocide is nicely illustrated by these commenters.

    Just because someone isn’t decrying every single bit of evil in the world doesn’t mean they don’t care, or that they’re somehow in the wrong because they’re focused on something else.

    It’s also bad strategy because all someone would have to do is say “Yeah, that’s bad” and, then, what? OOps, that’s not much of a “gotcha!” is it?

    Besides, that’s a really stupid thing to say, which kind of goes a ways towards arguing exactly the wrong point about theists.

  • John Horstman

    @Georgia Sam #14: Pedantry is an excellent response to douchebaggery; I applaud you.

    @Dingo #17: The complete sentences, from a prescriptivist standpoint, are, “No one is as smart as I am smart,” and, “No one is as smart as me am smart.” What are being compared are ‘smartness’ values of any hypothetical one and oneself. However, in common usage, the second reference to smartness in the form of to be + adjective is dropped for convenience and understood to be implied, much like how “you” is typically dropped from command sentences. Of course, it’s also the case that the subject/object distinction in the first-person pronoun has been breaking down for quite a while – from a descriptivist perspective, they’re all ‘correct’ English as long as mutual intelligibility is maintained.

  • theDukedog7 .

    @22:

    I’m not retired. I have kids in college, so my retirement is a long way off.

  • Donnie

    Ugh. So much wrong with this. There are two possible ways to take this:

    1. I’m too smart to be religious.

    2. Not being religious makes me smarter than those who are religious.

    …..

    This is just ego-stroking, simpleminded bullshit. And if you find it insulting for someone to say that, that’s just too fucking bad

    Sounds like a lot of the atheist dudebros and chillgirls that love their Atheism by reading “The God Delussion” and other new atheist books and agree with their Brave Heros Who Are Never Wrong(TM) It is the “I am smart because i logicked (sic) my way to atheism but fuck all that political correct liberal douchebags, feminism, gender gap, and other social justice shit – that is just ideology!!! ”

    Atheism is pure and only smart people get atheism.

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    Where do I complain to the proprietor about the quality of the trolls in this forum? I expected top-notch atheist trolls! This is unacceptable.

  • dingojack

    I read it thus:

    Subject = ‘no-one’, object = ‘I/me’. Therefore acc. & nom. respectively.

    The verb =’is’, ‘as smart’ is a comparative adj. The second ‘as’ is a comp. prep.

    So:

    Subj. in the acc., verb, comparative adj., comp. prep., Obj. in nom..

    ‘No-one is as smart as me.’

    But whatever floats your boat.

    Dingo

  • John Pieret

    theDukedog7

    My apologies.

  • Routemaster

    I’m curious about the source of the weasel “up to 100,000” cited above. This figure was quoted by a Vatican representative at the United Nations a few years ago and debunked by the excellent More or Less podcast : the figure was inflated by the deaths of 90,000 people a year in the civil war in the Democratic Republic of Congo, who were indubitably Christian but not killed because of their religion.

    Christians are certainly being killed by groups like Boko Haram, ISIS and the Taliban but they are outnumbered by (and marginally less at risk than) Muslims of the wrong sort or insufficiently enthusiastic or those judged not to be Muslims at all because of some theological dispute hundreds of years ago that had been ignored by their neighbours (who are now guilty of not persecuting these heathens, of course). The motivation for these murders and the affiliation of the victims shouldn’t matter to anyone; people are dying and we should do what little we can to prevent them.

    If I didn’t know better, I’d conclude that theDukedog7 doesn’t give a sh*t when brown people are slaughtered. Whatabouterry is fun. Anyone else want a turn?

  • Hoosier X

    dukedog

    Estimates are up to 100,000 Christians each year are killed because of their beliefs, mostly by atheists and Muslims.

    Do you have a link for this? I’m sincerely curious about the claim that a substantial number of Christians are being killed by atheists.

    if you can’t substantiate this particular piece of data, then I feel comfortable doubting the sincerity of your concern for Christians because it begins to look more like a gratuitous attack on atheists.

  • Routemaster

    And it is “as smart as me”. The atheist in question is an arse but they’re not an ungrammatical arse.

  • laurentweppe

    Christian is a race?

    Judaism isn’t, that didn’t stop the Shoah from, you know, happening

  • grumpyoldfart

    Remember when atheists were suggesting that they should be called “Brights”.

  • coffeehound

    Dukedog7; Routemaster said it in #31, but restated for emphasis. If you have now been shown evidence that concern HAS been shown for the slaughter of Christians as well as Muslims and atheists on these blogs you should now be able to show us links to your past posts demonstrating your own humanitarian concern for anyone, ANYONE who isn’t a Christian be it Hindu, Buddhist, atheist, Muslim, whatever. Some evidence that you aren’t a hypocritical douchenozzle demanding special concern for Christians from all corners of the blogosphere while demonstrating little empathy for anyone who’s not just like you. Holding my breath in anticipation…….

  • Hoosier X

    @coffeehound

    Holding my breath in anticipation…….

    Holding your breath waiting for consistency from christians like dukedog is not recommended.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    My point about the disinterest among atheists about the ongoing Christian genocide is nicely illustrated by these commenters.

    I’ve seen even less interest in said genocide from U.S. CHRISTIANS, who seem to care more about portraying THEMSELVES as “victims” of “persecution” just because they have to respect other people’s rights.

    Also, I haven’t seen any willingness, among US Christians, in going anywhere near the fact that a LOT of the mass-murders of Christians were at least enabled by the actions of Christian leaders elected by Christians.

  • http://www.bianymeans.com Trav Mamone

    Atheists online love to use the statistics that link intelligence with atheism as “proof” that religious people are stupid. It’s more nuanced than that. The studies just show that the more you know about the natural world, the less likely you are to be religious.

    Besides, I’m dumb as fuck when it comes to math!

  • sugarfrosted

    I’m smarter than all of you, since I am athier than all of you. In fact you might say that I am the athiest.

  • Steve Morrison

    How’s this for a dumb atheist meme? It won a contest a while back on the “bad history” reddit.

  • http://drx.typepad.com Dr X

    theDukedog7 is right here on youtube

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bojX7fovPC4

  • laurentweppe

    The pooch looks way too smart and nice to be the same person as the local troll.

  • http://drx.typepad.com Dr X

    @42,

    😀

  • http://www.scienceworksmagazine.com DanDare

    The intelligence trap:where highly intelligent people can delude themselves because they are so good at defending a position and forget to examine it critically. Applies to intelligent atheists and theists alike.

  • whheydt

    I will take the combination of post #22 (Trebuchet) and post #25 (the DukeDog7) to constitute suficiently strong evidence to conclude that theDukeDog7 *is* Egnor.

    Now…since you are not retired, I’ll thank you to keep your scalpel far away from me and mine. This request is because I wouldn’t trust you to an honest job of surgery on someone who might disagree with you.

  • johnhodges

    I don’t think Christians are stupid. I think they have adopted a really stupid theology. Many of them persist in holding it even after the many implausibilities and contradictions (even scriptural ones) are pointed out. So, in those cases, I don’t think they are congenitally stupid, I think they are willfully stupid. (In one of the Narnia novels, C.S. Lewis made the comment “The problem with trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed.”)

  • colnago80

    Re whheydt @ v#45

    The DukeDog7 admitted in a comment on PZ’s blog that he was Egnorance. I personally would not allow Egnorance to come within 50 feet of me with a scalpel in his hand.

  • Mal Adapted

    I don’t own the definitions of ‘smart’ or ‘stupid’, but by my own understanding Ed is correct when he says:

    Some of the dumbest people I know are atheists. Some of the smartest people I know are religious. And vice versa, of course. Some of the smartest people I know are atheists and some of the dumbest people I know are religious.

    In my mind, a key difference between theists and a-theists, at least the more mindful ones, isn’t “intelligence” (what ever that is), but that atheists know how easy it is to fool themselves (“The first rule [of Science] is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool” — Feynman, who else?) . Whereas it seems to me that theists, out of a need for the comfort they derive from belief, either don’t acknowledge that they could be fooling themselves or are willing to let themselves be fooled.

  • whheydt

    Re: coinago80 @ #47…

    I have seen references to the comments on Pharyngula, but since I didn’t happen to read the relevant threads myself, I had left the question open. Now that I’ve seen a confirmation, I’m willing to draw the obvious conclusion. YMMV. Even with that, I’m not going to play games with his name as I have no desire to climb down into the gutter over him. In any case, I’m reasonbly sure that quite a few people that read or comment in the discussions agree with both of us about not wanting to allow him to practice his profession on us or on our family members. His remarks make one wonder how seriously he takes “First, do no harm.”