David Lane Goes Full Godwin

David Lane, the backroom Christian right political kingmaker, has an article in Charisma News that goes full-on Godwin. The only alternative to Christian theocracy, he seems to believe, is Nazism. The whole first half of the article is devoted to blathering about Hitler, then he lamely attempts to relate it to today’s America and same-sex marriage:

Which brings us to the current spiritual crisis facing America. Nazism practiced Gleichschaltung, a process for conforming every aspect of society to its totalitarian control. Here in the United States, the Supreme Court looks to conform every vestige of American life and society to the worship of the golden calf of Secularism. Contrast that “conform-to-culture” vision with the words of the Apostle Paul: “And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect” (Rom. 12:2)

Another diabolical serpent is stalking the land. This is natural, of course, for freedom eternally faces a fundamental moral challenge. Why? It’s part of God’s unending order. “The serpent’s final defeat under Messiah’s heel (Gen. 3:15) is delayed to effect God’s program of redemption through the promised offspring,” Bruce Waltke writes. “In the interim, God leaves Satan to test the fidelity of each succeeding generation of the covenant people (Judg. 2:22) and to teach them to ‘fight’ against untruth (Judg. 3:2).”

Let’s be clear, it was Christianity—not paganism, not so-called religious neutrality, and certainly not secularism—which produced freedom and liberty in America. As my friend Os Guinness noted, “The plain fact is that no free and lasting civilization anywhere in history has so far been built on atheist foundations.”

Two obvious responses. First, this plainly ignores the entire history of officially Christian nations throughout Europe, none of which had anything like a “free and lasting civilization.” They were not free, especially on maters of religion, nor did they last as Christian civilizations. All of them eventually transitioned to predominately secular societies.

Second, it also ignores the fact that Hitler himself continually claimed that the society he envisioned was entirely based upon Christianity.

The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be its honest endeavour to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of today.

And before the prime minister of Bavaria, he said:

I would like here to appeal to a greater than I, Count Lerchenfeld. He said in the last session of the Landtag that his feeling ‘as a man and a Christian’ prevented him from being an anti-Semite. I say: My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. .. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison.

During his rise to power, he railed against those he claimed were anti-Christian who ran Germany:

And now Staatspräsident Bolz says that Christianity and the Catholic faith are threatened by us. And to that charge I can answer: In the first place it is Christians and not international atheists who now stand at the head of Germany. I do not merely talk of Christianity, no, I also profess that I will never ally myself with the parties which destroy Christianity. If many wish today to take threatened Christianity under their protection, where, I would ask, was Christianity for them in these fourteen years when they went arm in arm with atheism? No, never and at no time was greater internal damage done to Christianity than in these fourteen years when a party, theoretically Christian, sat with those who denied God in one and the same Government.

Hitler’s warped vision was certainly in line with the brutal and viciously anti-Jewish views of Martin Luther, the founder of Protestantism. It also fit perfectly well with 15 centuries or so of anti-Jewish pogroms by the Catholic Church. Hitler himself said in 1934. What it did not fit with was Enlightenment secularism.

Founding Father Daniel Webster said it best: “If we and our posterity shall be true to the Christian religion, if we and they shall live always in the fear of God, and shall respect His commandments, if we and they shall maintain just moral sentiments and such conscientious convictions of duty as shall control the heart and life, we may have the highest hopes of the future fortunes of our country; and if we maintain those institutions of government and that political union, exceeding all praise as much as it exceeds all former examples of political associations, we may be sure of one thing, that while our country furnishes material for a thousand masters of the historic art, it will afford no topic for a Gibbon. It will have no decline and fall. It will go on prospering and to prosper.”

Daniel Webster was not, by any reasonable definition, a founding father. He wasn’t even born at the time of the revolution and was all of five years old when the Constitution was written. Founding father doesn’t mean “really old guy.” And this whole idea that fealty to the Christian God is the only thing keeping us from ruin is patently absurd. Somehow vast swaths of the world where Christianity barely exists have managed to continue going, some civilizations for thousands of years, without such belief.

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  • busterggi

    The majority of the Nazis were Catholic or Lutheran, the majority of Mussolini’s Fascists were Catholic.

    Inconvenient but true and very easy to find out.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    He’s got a point; if Christianity produced freedom and liberty in America it follows that it’s Christianity’s duty to protect all that by taking it away. And who better to improve this nation by making it worse than those who are in this world but not of it, to ensure that those who are of this world aren’t allowed in it?

     

    Lerchenfeld

    Gesundheit.

     

    Staatspräsident

    Gesundheit.

  • claytoncar

    I’ve been blocked by Charisma News twice for refuting their lies. Time to make a new profile!

  • rietpluim

    Funny how people who’ll only allow straight marriages, complain about how some life style is forced upon them.

  • StevoR

    The only alternative to Christian theocracy, he seems to believe, is Nazism.

    Talk about a false dichotomy! Plus historical ..well complete ignorance of every civilisation from the Summerians to the Mayans to the Vikings to the Minoans to the British empire to the original US republic and, well, just everything and every society bar only generously maybe two or three really.

    re in the United States, the Supreme Court looks to conform every vestige of American life and society to the worship of the golden calf of Secularism.

    Um.. wut?

    That would be one really unpalatable ( & heavy) piece of veal were it true and that’s about as sensible a reply as it deserves.

    Except, he thinks the Supreme court si really unilaterally supreme here and is ignoring the other wings of government (POTUS, Congress, Electoral college, Senate, etc ..) with more power to make and amend the laws? For realz?

    I say: My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter.

    Meh, always saw Jesus as more a lover than fighter really and his own instructions on what to do to your neighbours kinda confrm that. Also y’know the whole incident withe sword and the ear and the kiss (from a man) and capture episode in that garden post last supper where an ear got chopped off some enemy of his by his main mate sand Rabbi Jesus actually helped heal it and shit. Then accepted being taken into custody and let evil douchebags beat the crap out of him and worse. If Jesus was a fighter then Mahatma Gandhi would have be a world boxing champion!

    o, never and at no time was greater internal damage done to Christianity than in these fourteen years when a party, theoretically Christian, sat with those who denied God in one and the same Government.

    No time? Not even when all those child raping accusations actually came to public light? Also theoretically “christian” but really denying god? (Or at least the message they are ‘sposed to believe.) Hmm ..that reminds me of someone – oh yeah Bush II and the Republicans!

    our country furnishes material for a thousand masters of the historic art, it will afford no topic for a Gibbon. It will have no decline and fall. It will go on prospering and to prosper.

    What ..even under (gasp) Obama Teh Aunty-keeerrrrist!!!?

    Doesn’t that contradict all your threats about whats going to happen now and also history when talking about the Great Depression, and a few other times when the USA’s path in the world was going less than smoothly? (Civil war period? Vietnam and Carter eras?)

  • Deacon Duncan

    Contrast that “conform-to-culture” vision with the words of the Apostle Paul: “And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect” (Rom. 12:2)

    Would that be the same Apostle Paul who spoke so highly about “taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ” in 2 Corinthians 10?

  • dingojack

    Romans 2:12

    “and be not conformed to this age, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, for your proving what [is] the will of God — the good, and acceptable, and perfect.”

    Young’s Literal Translation

    Clearly Paul is saying don’t do things just because authorities (such as Lane and his RWRNJ playmates) tell you to, go out and think for your self, test out and discover what god wants yourself.

    David Lane, comprehension fail #1.

    Dingo

  • dingojack

    “God leaves Satan to test the fidelity of each succeeding generation of the covenant people (Judg. 2:22) and to teach them to ‘fight’ against untruth (Judg. 3:2).”

    So it’s Satan who ensures the people’s faithfulness and teaches them to fight against lies.

    And it’s God who punishes people, burning them for eternity for minor infractions (like eating the wrong foods or picking up sticks on the wrong day)?

    And who’s the bad guy in this fairy story again?

    Dingo

  • rationalinks

    When will those on the Christian Right realize that they are, indeed, the Nazis. They’ve found a minority to hate and sew fear about (Nazi’s-Jews RWCNJ-Gays) while denying them rights and stigmatizing, threatening this minority with death, etc . They are ultra-nationalists. Demand purity. Militaristic.

    It’s not even overt anymore…they have Nazi Tourettes because they are the Nazis and are simply trying to project.

  • cptdoom

    Nazism practiced Gleichschaltung, a process for conforming every aspect of society to its totalitarian control.

    Which is exactly the same as demanding equality for all people, of all faiths (or none), so that we can go about and live our lives as we please.

    And this whole idea that fealty to the Christian God is the only thing keeping us from ruin is patently absurd.

    The idea that there is such a thing as a “Christian God” is patently absurd – and I don’t say that just because I don’t believe in any god. The very beginning of the Christian movement saw various sects relating and interpreting the stories of the Rabbi Jesus in their own way, and that really has not changed. Sure, there have been attempts at compelling a single version of Christian religion, but that only led to the schism between the Orthodox versions and the Roman church. Then the Reformation and, in this country, the proliferation of ersatz “Christian” churches like the Mormons, the Seventh-Day Adventists, and the Christian Scientists. The country was populated, in not an insignificant way, by those who were persecuted by the mainline churches and wanted to worship their own version of god in their own way. How could anyone look at this loose conglomeration of religions, all with their own takes on what it means to be a Christian, and think it could have led to the Constitution?

  • Kermit Sansoo

    Hmmm. Which group in American most wants to establish “Gleichschaltung, a process for conforming every aspect of society to its totalitarian control”?

    .

    I grew up with these folks, and am still astonished that they seem to lack all sense of self-awareness. It’s the only way they could project so fiercely, persistently, and obliviously. If you daubed red paint on their forehead they would fail the mirror test.

  • sigurd jorsalfar

    “When will those on the Christian Right realize that they are, indeed, the Nazis.”

    They already realize it. It’s why they spend so much time vehemently denouncing their enemies as Nazis. Attributing your own worst traits to your political enemies is a well-established Republican/Christian Right tactic.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Kermit Sansoo “I grew up with these folks, and am still astonished that they seem to lack all sense of self-awareness. It’s the only way they could project so fiercely, persistently, and obliviously. If you daubed red paint on their forehead they would fail the mirror test.”

    Duh. Everybody fails the mirror test. Like when the researcher points the mirror at me…”Why is that person staring at me? That smile! It’s aggression! And he’s got a dab of paint on his forehead! He’s trying to co-opt my status! Attack!”

     

    In conclusion, they kicked me out of the experiment.

  • theDukedog7 .

    1) Countries with established Christian churches and/or with long histories of cultural Christianity:

    United States (cultural)

    Spain (cultural)

    Portugal (cultural)

    France (cultural)

    Italy (cultural)

    Switzerland (cultural)

    Denmark (cultural)

    Germany (cultural)

    Ireland (cultural)

    England (Established and cultural)

    Scotland (Established and cultural)

    Denmark (Established and cultural)

    Norway (Established and cultural)

    Finland (Established and cultural)

    Sweden (Established and cultural)

    Greece (Established and cultural)

    Costa Rica (Established and cultural)

    Liechtenstein (Established and cultural)

    Malta (Established and cultural)

    Monaco (Established and cultural)

    2) Countries ruled by explicitly atheist political systems (for a significant portion of the 20th century).

    China

    Soviet Union

    Cuba

    Laos

    North Korea

    Vietnam

    Albania

    Angola

    Benin

    Bulgaria

    Czechoslovakia

    Ethiopia

    East Germany

    Hungary

    Kampuchea

    Mongolia

    Mozambique

    Poland

    Romania

    Yugoslavia

    Compare atheist to Christian cultures. Which atheist political systems would you classify as free.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    theDukedog7, what’s an “atheist culture”? For that matter, what’s a “Christian culture”? Is it atheist when they treat each other like shit, and Christian when they don’t? Do, say, Greece, Bulgaria and Serbia’s involvement in the Balkan wars make them atheist at the time, even though all three had established religions (the nebulous and amorphous “cultural” is harder to pin down. Mostly because it’s jello)? Or do they automatically get filed in the “Good” column because the Ottomans had all those Muslins)? When Greece and Serbia when to war against Bulgaria immediately after that, did they gain “Established and cultural” or did Bulgaria?

    Was Nazi Germany “Established and cultural” or atheist? What about fascist-era Spain? How about antebellum United States of America? For that matter, were New World expansion-era Spain or Atlantic slave trade-era Portugal “Established and cultural” or atheist?

  • theDukedog7 .

    Hitler claimed (at times) to be a Christian.

    Hitler claimed (at times) to support democracy, to be a man of peace, to respect the territorial integrity of Czechoslovakia, to seek peace with Poland, and to be a loyal ally of the Soviet Union.

    Hitler was none of these.

    Nazism was pagan–worship of race and soil.

  • colnago80

    Re Egnorance @ #16

    Hitler claimed (at times) to be a Christian.

    We’re still waiting for Egnorance to inform us as to when he said otherwise in any public utterance or writing. Of course, Egnorance has no such evidence because there is none. The two pieces of evidence that he thought otherwise are Tabletalk and an offhand remark to Albert Speer. Most historians consider the former to be dubious at best.

  • theDukedog7 .

    Did Hitler attend any church? How long did he spend in the confessional? When did he last go to Mass?

    Germany was a Christian country, and Hitler was a politician. He paid lip service to Christianity, and many other things.

    Christianity entails praxis. Hitler was not a Christian.

  • colnago80

    Re Egnorance @ #1`8

    Citation needed. What evidence do you have that he never attended church services and never went to confession. Apparently, this didn’t bother the Pope because at no time was he denied communion or excommunicated.

    By the way, the no true Scotsman shtick on this blog is reserved for blog’s resident physics professor and former math department chairman.

  • Lady Mondegreen

    Germany was a Christian country, and Hitler was a politician.

    Yes it was, and yes he was.

    And Christian Germans elected him and supported him and became Nazis.

    Hitler’s private thoughts about Jesus are actually irrelevent to your point. Which was the moral superiority of Christian civilization.

  • dingojack

    Dog — and what of Pius XII? Another good Catholic Anti-Semite!

    Dingo