Does Santorum Know That Community Colleges Exist?

Rick Santorum is lashing out at President Obama’s idea to make community colleges tuition-free, but his criticisms make no sense whatsoever. He thinks Obama intends to create “another layer of government schools” that will destroy the private sector.

Rick Santorum, speaking on the Iowa conservative radio show Caffeinated Thoughts in March, argued that President Obama does not want to grant free community college to all in order to raise the number of college graduates and create an educated workforce, but rather wants to “eliminate” private sector programs in order to make way for “another layer of government schools.”

“It’s the same old stuff from the president,” he said, “which is, ‘Our schools don’t work, our schools don’t function to educate our children enough so they can get a job, so we’re going to bring in another layer of government schools to try to do this and you’re going to pay for it.’”

Uh, Rick…community colleges already exist. Hundreds and hundreds of them. And they’re already government-run and already paid for by tax dollars. There is no “another layer,” that layer is already there. Maybe you could try googling it sometime.

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  • Randomfactor

    When I went to community college in California, many years ago, they were tuition-free.

    Of course, that was before the dark days, before the Empire and Proposition 13 seized power.

  • Mr Ed

    My wife decided to change careers and become a nurse. She could have gone to St. Joesph in Hartford for about $15,000 a semester. She opted to go the community route at $1,700 a semester and get an ASN. With her previous BS degree she only needs a few course to get her BSN and she can work as a nurse while finishing.

    Community colleges are far from perfect but they offer an opportunity to those who couldn’t go to college otherwise.

  • briandavis

    “Community” college. Obama doesn’t even try to hide the communist agenda. Forcing students into classrooms is collectivist education.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Randomfactor “When I went to community college in California, many years ago, they were tuition-free. Of course, that was before the dark days, before the Empire and Proposition 13 seized power.”

    The rest of the country would do well to follow California’s example. That’s exactly how government should work. Socializing costs when I need it, pulling up the ladder (followed by tax cuts and privatization) after I don’t.

  • raven

    Satanorum

    …but rather wants to “eliminate” private sector programs in order to make way for “another layer of government schools.”

    A lot of those private sector programs were scams taking federal money and student loans to waste the time and money of their students i.e. Corinthian colleges and a whole fleet of other “schools”.

    Satanorum has three degrees from good public universities, including one in law, that he uses to make millions of dollars.

    He also hates public education and public higher education and calls them tools of satan.

    Guy is a crack brained sociopath and a hypocrite.

  • http://zenoferox.blogspot.com/ Zeno

    At $46 per semester unit, California’s community colleges are still a good deal in terms of postsecondary public education. Unfortunately, we don’t have the capacity to meet all student demand, although we are building back up in these days of recovery from the Great Recession.

    We do have a glorious tradition in the Golden State of periodically electing Republican governors who despise public education. Ronald Reagan started by forcing tuition on the University of California. Later George Deukmejian took a crack at the California State University. More recently, Pete Wilson screwed over the community college system (with advice from his chief consultation on education — who had never graduated from college). Mercifully, Schwarzenegger did not have the same degree of anti-education bias (perhaps because the governator was once a student at Santa Monica College). Under Jerry Brown, in his fourth term, California is experiencing a revenue resurgence that’s bringing better days to public ed, including a $1 billion increase for the community college system.

  • llewelly

    It is notable that he thinks schools that ordinary people cannot afford deserve special privileges.

  • whheydt

    Re: Randomfactor @ #1…

    It helps to bear in mind the conditions that led to Prop. 13. It was partially driven by the fact that county real estate assessments actually got done on a regular basis and property taxes were climbing extremely rapidly. There was great fear–realistic fear–of people being priced out of their homes. What is overlooked is the near-simultaneous court decision that required evening out school funding, which shifted much of that funding from local taxes to the state, and then the *state* cut back.

    Loss of school funding was a lot more complex than just blaming Prop. 13, though a lot of school officials picked it as their official whipping boy. Also note that, as funds got tight, school sports was never cut back at all, even while much more worthwhile–academic–programs got the axe.

    Re: Zeno @ #6…

    IT is worth noting that Schwarzenegger was first elected by way of a successful recall petition, and *not* through the Republican primary echo chamber that nominates so very many nut cases that are doomed in a general election.

  • colnago80

    Of course ole Ricky doesn’t like public edumacation. Students might learn about subjects like evolution in biology courses in such schools. Can’t have that.

  • NitricAcid

    In BC, our government just decided that colleges should no longer offer free high-school-equivalent courses, and must now charge tuition for them.

  • http://twitter.com/#!/TabbyLavalamp Tabby Lavalamp

    Frothy Mixture might have a point about community colleges. I went to one for a few years and it was a joke. My Spanish teacher didn’t know Spanish and wasn’t even legally a teacher, which somehow lead to him living in the duct work at one point. The school’s dean was ineffectual and spent a lot of time in costumes. And the paintball tournaments. Don’t get me started on the paintball tournaments…

  • http://zenoferox.blogspot.com/ Zeno

    In California the minimum qualification for faculty is a master’s degree in the discipline. Perhaps the standards are looser elsewhere, although I’m familiar with the contempt sometimes heaped on community colleges: “high schools with ashtrays.” But in my experience there are two reasons this dismissive phrase is incorrect: (1) we banned the ashtrays and went smoke-free; (2) our transfer-level courses meet articulation requirements with the University of California and the California State University.

    Perhaps a third point: Our duct work can’t accommodate faculty members. That’s why the HVAC isn’t very good on our campus.

  • D. C. Sessions

    I wonder who will break the news to him about land-grant universities?

  • http://chillireception.blogspot.com/ Avenel

    I’m currently attending the Culinary Arts program at a California community college. The classes are very comprehensive. Our students regularly smoke students from Art Institute and Culinary Institute in competitions.

    I’ve learned so much, and had a great time doing it.

  • frankgturner

    Like I said in a previous post, comparing Santorum to fecal matter is an insult to fecal matter.

  • militantagnostic

    Avenel

    Our students regularly smoke students from Art Institute and Culinary Institute in competitions.

    You are very fortunate. There are very few institutions where you can learn how to prepare “long pig” nowadays.

  • Francisco Bacopa

    I wonder who will break the news to him about land-grant universities?

    Or Reconstruction Board universities! Yep, many of the traditionally African-American colleges and universities in the south were established by reconstruction boards. I think in most cased they paid fair market price for land and buildings. That’s what happened with Helen Kirby’s land and old boarding school which has since become Prairie View A&M near Houston. But in a couple of other cases universities were build on property seized from major slaveholders.

  • raven

    Satanorum:

    but rather wants to “eliminate” private sector programs in order to make way for “another layer of government schools.”

    Satanorum as usual, has no idea what he is talking about. A lot of recent “private sector” programs were just scams that took federal money, student loans, and then wasted the time of the students.

    Corinthian Colleges shuts down all 28 remaining campuses …

    www. theguardian .com › Education › US education

    Apr 27, 2015 – Corinthian Colleges canceled classes Monday and shut down all of its … It collapsed last summer amid a cash shortage and fraud allegations.

    Campus Confusion: Corinthian Colleges Students Face …

    www. nbcnews. com/…/campus-confusion-corinthian-colleges-students-fa…

    Aug 15, 2014 – After all, it was close to her house and promised a way back into the workforce. …. How For-Profit Colleges Scam Taxpayers and Ruin Students’ Lives, … Corinthian Colleges Shuts Down, Ending Classes for 16,000 Overnight.

  • raven

    Satanorum:

    but rather wants to “eliminate” private sector programs in order to make way for “another layer of government schools.”

    Santorum attended Pennsylvania State University for his undergraduate studies, attended Pennsylvania State University school of law for his J.D,, and U. of Pittsburgh for an MBA.

    All public universities with significant government funding and oversight.

    He’s leveraged his BA, JD, and MBA to make millions of dollars. He’s also gone on several rants about public higher education, calling them anti-religious and tools of satan.

    Massive hypocrisy. There is something very dark and broken about that guy.

  • yoav

    Does Santorum know [insert topic here]?

    Is this a trick question?

    Maybe you could try googling it sometime.

    I can see why his frothiness would be scared of the google machine.

  • caseloweraz

    Militantagnostic: You are very fortunate. There are very few institutions where you can learn how to prepare “long pig” nowadays.

    …and fewer still where you can get away with preparing it repeatedly.